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H-meth

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NeighborhoodThreat said:
http://www.drugaddictionhelpline.com/methamphetamine.html

The first one you linked in your other post, I was being halfway sarcastic. =D
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LOL! The second one is actually better. The life or meth website has everything you need to know about methamphetamine and addiction to it. All their info is based on scientific studies and research. They don't just repeat the obvious of meth is this and that and blah blah blah. Look at the site.

This is from life or meth:

"You have a better chance to do well after many types of cancer than you have of recovering from methamphetamine dependence."
~ Dr. Martin Paulus[Professor of Psychiatry, University of California]

"The average life expectancy of hardcore meth addicts, according to stastistics, is five to seven years."
~ Sheriff Burgess [Crossville Justice Centre, Tennessee]
 
"The average life expectancy of hardcore meth addicts, according to stastistics, is five to seven years."

I love these "stastistics", I laugh when I read stuff like that, reminds me of D.A.R.E. class.
 
But it's true man. Have you seen that one lady? I read about her actually. I'm going to try to find the website where I read about her.

She was originally from Toronto, Canada and she traveled and hitch hiked all over Canada and the US.

She ended up in Nevada, she obviously was a severe meth addict. She was born in 1948 in Canada and died in 1989 in prison (shorty after that last mug shot was taken) in Nevada. She was a prostitute, she lived a horrendous life on meth. She went through hell. It turned her into a walking dead.

Here's her picture.

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That's horrible, I've seen all the "Faces of Meth" series but that poor woman is the one that scares me the most.

I wasn't saying the things stated in those websites wasn't true, but saying that everybody who uses methamphetamine will turn out the same way as these poor people did is an evil scare tactic if you ask me.
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
That's horrible, I've seen all the "Faces of Meth" series but that poor woman is the one that scares me the most.

I wasn't saying the things stated in those websites wasn't true, but saying that everybody who uses methamphetamine will turn out the same way as these poor people did is an evil scare tactic if you ask me.
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Well meth is an highly addictive drug, probably the most addictive drug there is out there according to stats of relapse rates and the addicts are known to be the most difficult to treat.

So people who get hooked on meth, usually end up like that. It's inevitable.
 
Replying back to someone who posted in this forum earlier, i am not addicted to anything, i have done shrooms, ecstasy, meth, oxycontins, vicodin, benzos, codeine, ghb, cocaine, and a few others, first of all the money i make goes to other things, second of all, i hate comedowns/withdrawls because i know the more you use the worse they get.
 
I've never used meth, but dexedrine works for me in opiate withdrawal, as long as I take a ton of loperamide with it. The dexedrine relaxes me though, it also lifts my mood and allows me to function. Dexedrine is the only stimulant that I can really use during opiate withdrawal.
 
kokaino said:
I got that statistic here and here. The second link there is the life or meth website, it's very credible and has everything you need to know about methamphetamine.

It also says this:

A 1999 study of the methamphetamine problem reports, methamphetamine abusers were characterized as low socio economic status, less educated, relatively young white males. Today the majority of methamphetamine abusers still tend to fit that profile.

Heroin addicts tend to live longer, I know heroin addicts that were addicts (needle users) for a good 15-20 years. My uncle died in 2004 after 22 years of being an injecting heroin addict.

I think meth addicts can live longer than 5 years, but I think 10 years is the max for them. No sleep and no food does a lot of damage to the body and that's besides what the drug does to your heart and brain. It's neurotoxic and it's just plain dirty and grimey. The meth subculture is also disgusting and full of nightmarish shit.
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Well my mother who is now a practicing nurse was without fail addicted to meth for 20 years solid... Throwin crack, H, and practically anything else in the mix here and there... She is alive and well my friend still retains an IQ of 131 and shows no adverse mental or physical signs of her long time usage... My step father mark and my step father Lee also addicts for better part of two decades a piece... So unless you are trying to kill yourslelf and/or lack common sense which a suprising number of people apparently lack you have a high chance of survival if used intelligently...
 
Methamphetamine was and still is proscribed as a medication with the tradename: Desoxyn. So assuming good faith in our medical experts(hehe) meth can be used in a way that is not harmful to the body or mind thus it is up to the individual to use meth safely just like it is up to the individual to not OD on heroin or other opiates.
 
To the OP, I have heard of people doing this, but the first few days is still hell. But like everyone is saying they just became tweakers, so....

Also having been addicted to both drugs in my life time, I do not think Meth is worse than H in WDs or trying to stay clean off the drug. But I guess it is just my opinion. And opinion s are like assholes, everyone has one and thinks that there's don't stink.
 
jaredvillhelm2002 said:
Well my mother who is now a practicing nurse was without fail addicted to meth for 20 years solid... Throwin crack, H, and practically anything else in the mix here and there... She is alive and well my friend still retains an IQ of 131 and shows no adverse mental or physical signs of her long time usage... My step father mark and my step father Lee also addicts for better part of two decades a piece... So unless you are trying to kill yourslelf and/or lack common sense which a suprising number of people apparently lack you have a high chance of survival if used intelligently...
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Well I am just quoting statistics. Your mother and your step-fathers are part of the few lucky ones. Most don't end up like that, according to the statistics.

I mean I'm not just pulling numbers out of my ass, I'm quoting stats and studies and I'm linking them.

So congrats to your mother and your step-fathers, they are part of the few who make it.
 
YellowNikes said:
Methamphetamine was and still is proscribed as a medication with the tradename: Desoxyn. So assuming good faith in our medical experts(hehe) meth can be used in a way that is not harmful to the body or mind thus it is up to the individual to use meth safely just like it is up to the individual to not OD on heroin or other opiates.
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The whole Scheduling of drugs in the United States is full of crap.

Why is "heroin" a Schedule I drug, while morphine is a Schedule II - when chemically they are virtually identical. It makes no sense what so ever. Heroin is morphine with two acetyl groups attached. When you injected heroin, these two acetyl groups detach and you have morphine alone that goes up to your brain and causes the subjective effects of euphoria, sedation, respiratory depression, miosis, constipation, etc. There's also 6-MAM, but that too metabolizes into morphine. So "heroin" is basically a faster-acting form of morphine.

Then you have cannabis, MDMA, and LSD as Schedule I drugs when they don't even have addiction potential.

It's all messed up!
 
YellowNikes said:
Methamphetamine was and still is proscribed as a medication with the tradename: Desoxyn. So assuming good faith in our medical experts(hehe) meth can be used in a way that is not harmful to the body or mind thus it is up to the individual to use meth safely just like it is up to the individual to not OD on heroin or other opiates.
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As others have said, US drug scheduling hardly makes sense.

You also need to remember that Desoxyn is prescribed in 5mg tablets with a maximum dosage of 25mg per day.

And it also needs to be said that Desoxyn is generally prescribed as a last resort drug, when all other treatment options have proven unsuccessful. Its prescribed after a thorough risk/benefit analysis, so the fact that it is at all prescribed shouldn't communicate that it is totally safe and not harmful.
 
IMO, methamphetamine should be Schedule I - because dextroamphetamine is just as effective as methamphetamine in the treatment of ADD/ADHD. It's probably more effective, in fact.

Heroin, which is essentially morphine, should be taken off the Schedule I list and put together with morphine as a Schedule II narcotic. Although, orally heroin is just plain old morphine - in IV it's quicker acting due to the 2 acetyl groups added to the morphine molecule. A lot of patients can benefit from a faster acting morphine.

But I guess the DEA figures it's the same thing as morphine, so it has no use. Hydromorphone acts as the faster acting agent to morphine.
 
i would stick to subs or anything else that works.you will trade your addiction like that,or worse you could end up shooting both
 
dokomo said:
Its prescribed after a thorough risk/benefit analysis, so the fact that it is at all prescribed shouldn't communicate that it is totally safe and not harmful.
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I wasn't trying to say meth is totally safe lol, i was trying to communicate that the assumption "u do meth you have 5 years to live" is absolutely ridiculous. One could easily come up with those same statistics about heroin by looking at overdoses and generalizing it to the larger using population.
and yes i am in complete aware that our drug scheduling makes no sense.
 
"IMO, methamphetamine should be Schedule I - because dextroamphetamine is just as effective as methamphetamine in the treatment of ADD/ADHD. It's probably more effective, in fact."

This is not true in fact the reason it is still prescribed as Dokomo pointed out is that it has some success when d-amph is unsuccessful, it also lasts much longer than adderal, which may be medically useful.
 
YellowNikes said:
"IMO, methamphetamine should be Schedule I - because dextroamphetamine is just as effective as methamphetamine in the treatment of ADD/ADHD. It's probably more effective, in fact."

This is not true in fact the reason it is still prescribed as Dokomo pointed out is that it has some success when d-amph is unsuccessful, it also lasts much longer than adderal, which may be medically useful.
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It is extremely, extremely rare that d-amphetamine won't work. In fact, for most people, Ritalin is usually enough. They don't seem to need methamphetamine in Canada, United Kingdom, Germany, Netherlands, France, Italy, Sweden, Norway, Austria, Spain, or Japan - all rich, technologically developed and prosperous nations with excellent medical care. But they all have d-amp as the last line stimulant when nothing else works.

Dextroamphetamine and methamphetamine are equipotent - 5 mg d-amp = 5 mg m-amp. They have near identical effects, but d-amp is less neurotoxic.
 
 
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