-
SIED Moderators: Genetic Freak | Serotonin101
Gyno treatment
- Thread starter Forum Moderator
- Start date
AlmostFamous
Bluelighter
- Joined
- May 28, 2003
- Messages
- 435
Hopefully they are back Gentlemen... Note I use the word "Gentlemen", as we are all adults here, there is no place for schoolboys taking AAS..!!
Apparently we've all been reported for abuse by the sensitive little dear..!!
As far as I am concerned I stated "FACT"..!!! The fact is he blatantly ignored advice from Guido and I, then decided to use AAS at 15.. The result of even more blatant stupidity is he continued to take anti-depressants with Test and Nolvadex when he clearly knows the interaction of enzyme CYP2D6, negating nolva's action as an anti-gyno, plus its effects on estrogen itself...
He is a fucking idiot..!! Is that abuse..You tell me..The greater abuse is that he has caused to his own body?? School children have no right taking AAS at 15 years old, he may negatively affect his HPTA permanently, he may induce early epiphyseal growth plate closure, hormonal mood swings, depression and, gyno, etc, etc..
There is no abuse: I stated fact, the fact is he has got man boobs through his own stupidity..!!
If we have to use words like "Fucking Idiot" to make him and many others like him take notice, then so be it... We are a harm reduction website here, we cannot condone children self harming their bodies, here on Bluelight...
Have to agree mate. And those are only some of the potential side effects. Hard to believe anybody could be so thick. It's stupid when someone does this out of plain ignorance, but perhaps its even worse when they are fully aware of the damage they are causing and go through with it anyway. Hard to put it down to a personal choice and not call it self harm. No one wouldn't regret it later on in their lives.
Fractality
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2014
- Messages
- 91
The ironic thing is that he's a moderator of the healthy living section.
You have no right to say that I chose to use hormones to get girls.But he wanted to get the girls bro with the aas magic wand.
Not true, I gained alot of muscle, I stopped my scoliosis from progressing, and I got gyno, which I honestly expected.
Not relevant to this discussion. I don't even find it funny.Well if you have boobs, why would you need girls for?
I am not a moderator here, I can't delete posts in sections which I'm not assigned to.
Why? Because it's dangerous at my age? BL is a harm reduction forum, I asked for advice on how to treat gyno safely. Members are supposed to help people do things safely, no matter their age.Genetic Freak said:
Yes I reported you. I refuse to be disrespected, so I reported you. That doesn't make me sensitive.Genetic Freak said:
I did take your advice into consideration, but I still wanted to use AAS.Genetic Freak said:
I need anti-depressants. Their interaction with that enzyme will only make nolvadex less effective, it should still work.Genetic Freak said:
Yes that's abuse. I did harm my body, didn't "abuse" it.Genetic Freak said:
I was aware of all these side effects, and early growth plate closure was one of the reasons that made me use AAS.Genetic Freak said:
Adults are also at risk. I'm sure using 250mg test E EW at 15-16 is healthier than using grams of gear as an adult.
I am not stupid, I was expecting gyno, I wanted high estrogen levels, so I could stop my growth.Genetic Freak said:
Abusing people will not help.Genetic Freak said:
We also cannot condone adults using heroin, cocaine, etc. But because our goal is HR, people who chose to use certain substances have every right to ask for advice from more experienced members, even if they're still using their DOC.
Heroin is harmful, but you don't tell a heroin addict "you're a fucking idiot"
I chose to take the risks and use AAS. That is not stupidity.
I can still give helpful healthy living advice, even though I'm using AAS.
I will delete this thread.
Hi, sorry if you didn't find the joke funny, sounded funny in my head.
Anyway since you're willing to use hormones and all I'd try one of these things:
a) you can find a SSRI that doesn't interfere with tamoxifen
very low dose test (100-200mg pw)
high mast (800mg pw)
40mg tamoxifen ed (run this even after your cycle is over)
b) you can't find such a SSRI
very low dose test (100-200mg pw)
high mast (800mg pw)
another SERM or 2 ed (raloxifene and toremifene get suggested as good by lots of reasons)
c) try and get your insurance to pay for surgery. Some manage to get it done by complaining about pain and so on.
Anyway since you're willing to use hormones and all I'd try one of these things:
a) you can find a SSRI that doesn't interfere with tamoxifen
very low dose test (100-200mg pw)
high mast (800mg pw)
40mg tamoxifen ed (run this even after your cycle is over)
b) you can't find such a SSRI
very low dose test (100-200mg pw)
high mast (800mg pw)
another SERM or 2 ed (raloxifene and toremifene get suggested as good by lots of reasons)
c) try and get your insurance to pay for surgery. Some manage to get it done by complaining about pain and so on.
I don't have access to masteron, 250mg of test EW is enough for me. I'm not trying to get huge, I just enjoy reduced anxiety, more energy, more muscle mass, etc.
I will try to find a SERM or SSRI that don't interact with
each other. But I will try letro for now. Once I get rid of gyno, what would be better for estrogen control : 0.625mg letrozole ED or 0.25mg anastrazole ED?
I will try to find a SERM or SSRI that don't interact with
each other. But I will try letro for now. Once I get rid of gyno, what would be better for estrogen control : 0.625mg letrozole ED or 0.25mg anastrazole ED?
No no, the point of high masteron isn't for it's effects on muscle (800mg would probably give you a lot of strength but that's not the point). The masteron is there because it's a strong androgen (strong androgens probably help with stopping/reversing gyno) + was actually used as a treatment for breast cancer before newer drugs came out. It's not really a cycle designed for gym results, just something that may help with the gyno.
High dose masteron and nolvadex leads to cell apoptosis in breast tissue. Just got to keep it going for long enough to make the environment stay viable for this event.
AlmostFamous
Bluelighter
- Joined
- May 28, 2003
- Messages
- 435
There's a big difference between AAS and marijuana, cocaine, mdma, and other substances. We are talking about hormones! There's no reversing its affect if done incorrectly. You risked not growing again, having libido issues the rest of your life, psychological issues from taking it at such a young age, and a host of other issues. To top it off, you're not even in the physical shape at that age to be able to gain from its use. I don't even know how to give you advice on your gyno issues because alot of people your age naturally get gyno and will lose it as they get older.
Then for all that you risked, I have a pretty good feeling you had gains similar to this guy. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/pics/127254-before-after-12-a.html
Feel free to prove me wrong.
Before
http://i59.tinypic.com/33oicmo.jpg
After
http://i62.tinypic.com/2hg95on.jpg
So you risked your long term health permanently for gains similar to that guy. And once you're off it, the tiny gains you did get will be gone, you will be more depressed than you were beforehand. It blows my mind. You would seriously recommend AAS to someone your age?
Last edited:
Ever feel like your banging your head against a brick wall...???
Tamoxifen inhibits the growth of breast tissue, but does not reduce it on its own. This is mediated by your androgen levels as a male and an AAS user. These cells do not dissolve, they are ultimately destroyed by genomic signals, or apoptosis at the hands of androgen mediated action....
An aromatase inhibitor will not do this.... If you want to ignore what science tells us then go ahead and use Letro'... I'm sure Guido & I will yet again say "I told you so"..!!
It kinda gets to you after a while... Stupid is what stupid does..!!
oki_kogarah
Greenlighter
- Joined
- Jun 8, 2014
- Messages
- 19
Using steroids at 16 is comical. Closure of growth plates is down to excessive estrogen floating in the body so if estrogen is kept in a stable range closure of growth plates shall not be a issue. However using powerful hormones , breast cancer drugs and such on a not fully developed reproductive system or fully evolved brain can have effects that can range from some sort or orgasm issue to a interaction with fellow hormones/drugs that can cause long term issues.
In terms of Gyno , it will feel like tingles and pins and needles once you push on the pectoral muscle.....that is because there is a growth inside which is pushing the nipple out making it protrude and it also makes your pec uneven but the pain and the fuzzy tingly feeling when pressed on the pec it self will cause you serious pain.
Gyno takes about 14 days on average to develop enough for the enlargement to be permanent. I have read stories on the internet but in my experience and that of people I know is that once gyno is formed that baby is not going anywhere all you can do is use your knowledge to prevent it from getting bigger in the future by monitoring it and medicating correctly or have it removed surgically. I got mine from Tren so that is my symptoms came to me. 2 weeks of god awful pain.
The only treatment for progestin type steroids which induce gyno are Cabergoline and 2 other medications which there name escapes me now. Tamoxifen has in my experience flared up and irritated Tren gyno.
In terms of Gyno , it will feel like tingles and pins and needles once you push on the pectoral muscle.....that is because there is a growth inside which is pushing the nipple out making it protrude and it also makes your pec uneven but the pain and the fuzzy tingly feeling when pressed on the pec it self will cause you serious pain.
Gyno takes about 14 days on average to develop enough for the enlargement to be permanent. I have read stories on the internet but in my experience and that of people I know is that once gyno is formed that baby is not going anywhere all you can do is use your knowledge to prevent it from getting bigger in the future by monitoring it and medicating correctly or have it removed surgically. I got mine from Tren so that is my symptoms came to me. 2 weeks of god awful pain.
The only treatment for progestin type steroids which induce gyno are Cabergoline and 2 other medications which there name escapes me now. Tamoxifen has in my experience flared up and irritated Tren gyno.
smson_420
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Mar 25, 2010
- Messages
- 95
Sorry, I did not read the whole thread
How old are you? What are you currently on and exactly what is going on?
I seem to have found a pretty good recipe for stopping and reversing gyno at some level. Mine is taken care of ATM, but it was giving me a real bad scare.
How old are you? What are you currently on and exactly what is going on?
I seem to have found a pretty good recipe for stopping and reversing gyno at some level. Mine is taken care of ATM, but it was giving me a real bad scare.
Read the whole thread..... Then you don't have to ask unnecessary questions which have already been answered....
Would you believe me if I said:
A 15 year old schoolboy, against the better advice of Guido and Myself, jumped on anabolic steroids..
Deliberately wanting to raise estrogen levels to force premature epiphyseal growth plate closure.
Stated he expected to induce gyno, and promptly got it.
Correctly took Nolvadex to address the issue of gyno, but at the same time took anti-depressants knowing their interaction with enzymes CYP2D6 would negate nolva's action, thus further creating estrogenic complications.
After receiving advice to switch antidepressants and continue with nolva, ignored that advice insisting on using an AI, that he already knows will not stimulate apoptosis in breast tissue.
Now obviously showing signs of man-boobs, he complained its mention surmounted to bullying and reported everybody that had previously taken great pains to offer correct scientific advice to him, which he had promptly ignored, which created the problem in the first place.....
No one could be that stupid..!! Could they..??
Last edited:
smson_420
Bluelighter
- Joined
- Mar 25, 2010
- Messages
- 95