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swilow said:
That you see this as similar to the Holocaust
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jebus fucking sheist, another reading comprehension boner (speaking of misrepresenting someone's argument). find where the fuxk ANYWHERE that i said it is currently actually anything like the seriousness of the holocaust, please so i can delete/ edit that.

here's my claim:

nepalnt21 said:
there are high profile right wing scumbags that are CURRENTLY calling for the systematic eradication of trans people....
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which i proved to be true.

and when places like texas and florida (who have already tried to get started on the cultural genocide) actually start passing laws that criminalize being trans or supporting lgbt+ anything (which they will almost certainly try, if they haven't already), maybe you'll join the rest of us (relatively) sane people in the support of lgbt+ rights, and we can all work together to hold accountable those that sexualize kids or harm kids by exposing them to lewd conduct or needlessly harm them by "coercing kids into chop off their genitals" like anti- trans people LOVE to fantasize about.
 
nepalnt21 said:
don't know how i can go from:

them calling for genocide... to naziism?

history lesson: the nazis were genocidal.

do you think there was a light- switch thrown where suddenly germany went genocidal? it was a gradual descent into hell-on-earth... and i hope it's obvious that we need to stop our own descent. cause these motherfuckers will NOT stop themselves from going nazi. don't make me make bad puns about how we will nazi it coming.

ancient jokes aside, germany was a modern, civilized society before they plummeted to hell. that shit CAN and WILL happen again if we let it.
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nepalnt21 said:
downplay it all you want, it's happening.

hmm... i wonder if they downplayed it in the years leading up to the late 30s in germany...

me: some people are calling for the eradication of trans people

them: nope, you're being hysterical

me: here's proof

them: oh, that? it's just nothingburgerisms lolz

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when it happens:

me: i FUCKing TOLD you!

them: sieg heil! seize the dissident!
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nepalnt21 said:
why do i sound ridiculous?

is it only something to bring up once all the details fit exactly?

i hope it doesn't get to a millionth as bad as the shoah, but we've already established that there are prominent public figures, religious leaders, and politicians calling for actual, real, serious genocide against trans ppl (and/ or all lgbtq ppl and their supporters)... if we look to our history, we can see our mistakes and learn from them.

call me "ridiculous", call me " hysterical", call me whatever you want but i sure as fuck don't care what you think. i have friends and family that certain people want dead simply because of their sexual/ romantic orientation. i will not shut up about it.

@mal3volent

when will it be appropriate to bring up? or are there other genocides (even cultural genocides) that you think fit? or is it a nothingburger that segments of our society want to do the thing?

it's probably going to get worse before it gets better.
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These were just 3 posts where you mentioned similarities to Nazism. Maybe you're just mentioning it as you're a fan of history and mention Hitler every time you have a vegie burger, or maybe you're trying to point to what you think are similarities between then and now.

I get your urge to do this because it's usually a pretty compelling argument. But I think you're exaggerating. You still cannot explain why a few right wing bigots saying bigoted shit means anything about anyone else and what they believe and how this suggests trans people will start being executed soon.

I do support LGBTQ rights but I'm pretty troubled by the authoritarian, hard-line approach that many proponents of it seem to have adopted. I'm always going to be sceptical of a world-view that tolerates absolutely zero scepticism. You know who else had world-views like that, right? 😉

Anyway, we're not really moving forward in this discussion so perhaps I've said enough.
 
Undercover feds showed up to drag queen brunch time in my city today

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swilow said:
I don't doubt that there are bigots who hate trans people but assuming they talk for the majority is a really low resolution take on this issue. It is easier to characterise your opponents as monstrous, but that is what idiots like Matt Walsh do. That's a good enough reason to do something different to them. Using argument that appeal to reason rather than emotion seems like the best way we have for avoiding violence.
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Well, when those bigots are elected political officials they, by definition, do talk for the majority. With the singular exception of the electoral college rigging federal elections to give outsize power to. he right; that's how elections work. If you're asking about a candidate who's polling well enough to potentially win, those numbers indicate a following with the same hate as expressed by the candidate. When talking about a podcaster or blogger; listener and page view numbers are available. That's the thing... these aren't just random wing nuts. These are the right's leadership. They have minions, supplicants, and enablers.

And when someone announces that they hate me for existing and want to see me murdered; I take them at their word. Even when they don't presently have the guts to go through with it, people with the desire and intent to see me dead are still a threat. They could very well find the courage to go with their convictions, after all. Or one of their followers could. Or they could attack me and mine non-lethally or non-physically and still do harm. One doesn't have to be a monster to be your enemy, though I would argue that all this anti-LGBT bigotry is pretty monstrous. And the right... its leadership and by extrapolation its followers... has declared its enmity towards me and mine, having expressed that in ways up to and including death threats and actual violence. It's a simple matter of self-defense to know that they must be neutralized, or at least marginalized, to remove the threat they post to harm me and mine.
 
@swilow

begrudgingly, i see how people could think that my comments are equating the two... but i don't think it's because they are reading (deeper than the surface), critically thinking about and comprehending my meaning. nuance exists.

i DO also see cultural genocide rearing its ugly head, whether or not companies put lgbtq+ support on their shitty beers. rainbow capitalism doesn't negate the real harm bigots are doing, and it doesn't bring back to life the humans that are gone because of said bigotry.

it's like religious terrorism... it might be only 1% of the total religious population, but that still amounts to millions of people.

look up "stochastic terrorism" if you don't know what it is.

and with texas and florida, among other places, trying out some pretty horrible policies, i don't see how anyone is downplaying any of this.

none of those comments you pulled in any way are saying that i think we are currently experiencing anything close to the shoah. i just hope it gets better without getting worse.
 
if you try to invoke the burden of proof on The Most Marginalized Minority™ they'll respond with their usual catchphrases:

"look it up sweetie, it's not my job to educate you"

"we just want to exist"

"we just want to pee"

"TRANSPHOBIC BIGOT"

"trans rights are human rights!!!"

"Trans men are men and are biologically male."

"Trans women are women and biologically female."

"Nazi"

"Literal violence!!1"

"YOU are killing trans people with your words and wrongthink!"

etc
 
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PriestTheyCalledHim said:
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This group is as reactionary as the TRAs. Not to say they don't sometimes have a valid point, but the whole 'groomer' thing is the handwringing rights quivalent to the lefts 'nazi' thing. It's just a word thrown out to immediately end debate.

It's continuously mindboggling how so many views on this issue have absolutely abandoned nuance. I guess we like certainty but I would have thought we'd prefer truth and honesty.
 
Can we just let little kids be little kids for awhile? They don't need to be exposed to this nor want to at a young age, it is being thrust upon them because this "movement" wants something else to be offended by when people object and they are using these kids as political pawns. That old south park episode hits the nail on the head about a similar topic when mr garrison comes out as gay and everyone no matter how outrageous of an act he commits applauds and says "so courageous so courageous" until it devolves into him with a huge purple dildo with balls on his head riding "mr slave" up on stage hoping someone will go "ok what the fuck this is ridiculous" and because they are so scared of being called bigots they still clap and say hes "so courageous."
 
I've got to say I understand the argument against these shows. Those images of kids lying on drag queens are pretty fucking disturbing, then there's the monkey dildo guy and a bunch of others... It's a bit odd how much this is happening. Someone mentioned the outliers being the wholesome ones. That might be true. I don't know.

The only thing I've really argued with ITT is that there are (potentially, probably) wholesome drag story time shows... but I'm not honestly sure that justifies their existence.

The harm here is: kids are being exposed to inappropriate shit sometimes.

The benefit is: what exactly?

I don't see the value in drag shows in general. The comedy is shit. The music is shit. It's gay self-hatred / self-exploitation. It's all amateur transvestite insult comics making fun of themselves for being gay.

I don't like makeup on men or women. I'm not into wigs. It's all superficial, vain distraction.

But, I don't get to decide what is and isn't allowed for other people's kids.

My brother let his 8 year old son watch Venom: Let There Be Carnage. The main character - the hero - bites people's heads off for fun.

That's my nephew and I don't care. It strikes me as a weird parenting choice, but he's not my kid. I took my daughter to a clothing optional hippy festival. My brother doesn't understand (or approve of) that.

I don't presume to know everything.

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The fisting comment that someone latched on to before... I can't remember 100% but wasn't that not said in front of kids?

I make all sorts of inappropriate jokes around friends but that doesn't have anything to do with how I behave around kids. Saying "the sort of person who makes jokes about fisting" is (again) reading kind of homophobic to me.
 
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sunday.bird said:
The fisting comment that someone latched on to before... I can't remember 100% but wasn't that not said in front of kids?

I make all sorts of inappropriate jokes around friends but that doesn't have anything to do with how I behave around kids. Saying "the sort of person who makes jokes about fisting" is (again) reading kind of homophobic to me.
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please quote me correctly if you are going to quote me. I said the fisting jokes are representative of typical drag humor ie adult themed and not to be associated with small children. I did not say "this sort of person". Is this the second time you've accused me (a gay man) of being homophobic?
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
if you try to invoke the burden of proof on The Most Marginalized Minority™ they'll respond with their usual catchphrases:

"look it up sweetie, it's not my job to educate you"

"we just want to exist"

"we just want to pee"

"TRANSPHOBIC BIGOT"

"trans rights are human rights!!!"

"Trans men are men and are biologically male."

"Trans women are women and biologically female."

"Nazi"

"Literal violence!!1"

"YOU are killing trans people with your words and wrongthink!"

etc
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i'm trying to understand why you posted this, completely out of the context of the current conversation. were you responding to any particular person with this strawman/ stereotype fallacy?
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
Hey, I can also use pictures as part of rhetorics:

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Doesn't it look much worse instantly, does it? Yes, that is body of murdered trans
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um yes... not sure what your point is exactly? Do you have any statistics about people who are murdered because they're lgbt? How does they compare to the number of Jews who were murdered because they were Jewish in the 1940s ? My only point with the pictures was to illustrate how dickheaded that analogy was.
 
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