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Gun Pulled & Man Maced As Neo-Nazi Protestors Surround Family Drag Storytime Event

sunday.bird said:
Do they desperately want to associate with children or do they not want to be told that they can't associate with children?

If somebody told me it was inappropriate for me to read books to kids, I would passionately object... doesn't make me a kiddy fiddler.
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Yeah. To me, a drag queen reading fairy tales to a kids is no different than a clown or superhero reading fairy tales to kids... entirely a non-issue and the only reason I care about it one way or the other is because the right has concocted a false narrative from it that they're using to attack LGBT people physically, socially, and via abuse of the law.

Like the overwhelming majority of these, so far as I'm concerned it's 100% a civil rights issue and nothing else. Anything less than full equal rights and access under the law to all civic, commercial, and social services that straight people have is acceptable. That includes putting on a costume and reading fairy tales to kids. I've zero desire to do so. But I also have zero desire to get a marriage license in Kentucky, buy a cake for that wedding in Colorado, or adopt a child in Pennsylvania. But tell me that I don't have the right to do any of those? Deny me and mine any right or access that is afford to cisgender hetros? Treat us as unequal under the law in any way? Even if it's something I normally DGAF about, that is intolerable and a cue to go to the mattresses against those people and institutions. Basically, civil rights ARE the proverbial "hill to die on."

And let's not delude ourselves into believing that they'll stop at "don't say gay," banning trans health care, or eliminating drag events. Those are just the foot in the door... wedge issues with which they intend to set precedent so they can continue to attack us more viciously later on. In fact, they've even (inadvertently) admitted it! Remember a last year when trump's SCOTUS decided that the US should be a real life Republic of Gilead? They screwed up their own narrative, miscoordinated their statements, and let slip that after Roe, Obergefell and Lawrence are next on their chopping block.
 
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no offense to either of you but there's no point in saying the same shit I've said a hundred times already.

there's no problem with kids knowing all sorts of people exist. but to build this house of cards that revolves around juxtaposing drag queens with children is fucking ridiculous.

if you insist on doing so or support those that do you are at BEST naive. I get that it's just shallow virtue signaling for most or boredom or trying to have fun participating in the culture wars... but yall are playing with fire here.

children aren't pawns or objects for you to toy with. If you want to be anti establishment or push some kind of political agenda, find a way that doesn't involve Penny Traition reading stories to kindergartners.
 
sunday.bird said:
I'm curious, mal: what age do you think is appropriate for these discussions?
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how about just wait to see if they have questions? Why try to force sensitive conversations when most kids figure shit out on their own? I mean besides basic birds and bees and here is how not to get someone pregnant, why not let them just be kids and not constantly rush shit?

hey Timmy , I know you'd rather be watching cartoons but I feel like it's really important that you know about the existence of LGBTQ2IA+ persons so we're going to go have brunch and watch Sharon Needles and Farrah Moan bounce around and stuff filthy dollar bills into their bras. You'll thank me later when you're in the third grade and you need to know this stuff.
 
sunday.bird said:
Why do all internet discussion immediately descend into Nazi chatter?
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In this case it was actually appropriate since this:

This past Saturday, men armed with swastika flags chanted "Sieg heil", "Weimar solutions", "Heil Hitler", "Pedophiles get the rope", & "Faggots go home" as they surrounded the "Rock-n-Roll Humanist Drag Queen Story Hour" event in Wadsworth, Ohio.
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was in the OP
 
My bad.
I didn't read the OP.

mal3volent said:
how about just wait to see if they have questions?
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That's what I intend to do more or less, but (like I said) I'm not going to judge other parents because they decide to talk to their kids about sex or drugs at a certain age.

My parents talked to me about that stuff eventually because I didn't ever ask any questions (and I wasn't ever going to). So, they sat me down and explained some things. It didn't traumatize me, but - hey - my dad wasn't wearing lipstick.

This isn't the first drag thread on BL. Like @arrall, I find the whole thing odd. I don't understand the outrage.

The only explanation I have is: Americans are a bit repressed due to the overwhelming Christian presence in US society. Pretty sure that has (at least) something to do with it.

Presumably the children do have questions if they're asking questions at story time.

bounce around and stuff filthy dollar bills into their bras
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You're changing things now.

We're talking about story time, right?

It seems to me like there are drag story time shows that are appropriate for children and drag story time shows that are inappropriate for children.

So, the appropriate ones are fine and the inappropriate ones aren't. Right?
 
@mal3volent

I could be wrong.

Why do you think it is that Americans are so outraged by this and Australians don't give a fuck?

That's what it seems like to me... and others.

arrall said:
The outrage around drag queen storytime hours seems utterly appalling and ridiculous to me as a non-American.
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DeathIndustrial88 said:
You outlined what I originally had said, but much more clearly & articulate than me in your first paragraph.
Because of that, one can still theoretically say that butch open homosexual men are what helped the Nazis get to where they got. And that it wasn't much of an issue in the beginning but later became criminalized due the reasons you mentioned. That's just a fact. And was all I originally said.

Arrall brought up something from google saying it was a "myth that gays were over represented in the nazis:".,.... Uhhh okay. That's fine & dandy but I didn't say anywhere that they were "over represented", I said that the nazi movement was helped pioneered by openly butch homosexual men... which is just a fact. lol
It's not like I said the gay community got together & started National Socialism or anything.


I just find history & hypocrisy interesting is all & have no problem pointing it out.

I also enjoy when people & events contradict long held stereotypes (i.e. - gay men are flamboyant, gay men are all left leaning, all nazis were straight, all white supremacists hate gays, etc...etc..) because it makes socially conditioned people's minds go haywire. Kinda like some people in this post who scrambled to deny reality.
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While there WERE homosexual Nazi's, they were sort of protected by their hierarchy and being in Hitler's favor. Gay men (or men even suspected of being gay) were absolutely sent to concentrations camps and forced to wear a pink triangle, the same way Jews were forced to wear the star of David. I have even read of homosexual Nazi's either deliberately being assigned - or purposefully getting themselves assigned - the wear the homosexuals were kept where they borderline-openly sexually abused them, including performing torturous "sexual experiments" on them.

Howeverrrrrr, stating that the Nazi's had a higher percentage of homsexuals than the general population is just untrue,
 
sunday.bird said:
Why do all internet discussion immediately descend into Nazi chatter?



Do they desperately want to associate with children or do they not want to be told that they can't associate with children?

If somebody told me it was inappropriate for me to read books to kids, I would passionately object... doesn't make me a kiddy fiddler.



Little kids don't know you exist. They are curious. They have questions about this sort of stuff.

I don't personally talk to my 4 year old about sexuality or anything like that (because why would I?) but I'm not going to tell other parents how to raise their kids.

I'm sure there will be trans kids (and gay kids) at school at some point and the topic will come up.

I'm curious, mal: what age do you think is appropriate for these discussions?



Do you mean the western world?

I don't know what it's like in the US, but there's still a lot of anti-gay rhetoric in Australia... particularly among men. They will act a certain way in front of women (and gay guys), then say all sorts of slurs and homophobic jokes when they're in a safe space. Most of it is peer pressure - I think - rather than genuine hatred. It is definitely there, though.
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I don't think there is a particular age and I don't think there should be a discussion, really. The same as race. I don't think critical race theory is a good idea, either, but that immediately puts an "us" and "them" sort of mentality into kids minds and also brings awareness and a focus on "they are different to me" etc. Kids just don't naturally think like that. They just accept people for who they are. Remember, NOBODY is born with any type of prejudice; it's not a natural behaviour, but a LEARNED behaviour.
 
sunday.bird said:
@mal3volent

I could be wrong.

Why do you think it is that Americans are so outraged by this and Australians don't give a fuck?

That's what it seems like to me... and others.
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no you are right, probably just Americans be repressed and ignorant again. Gosh, we really are useless aren't we?
 
sunday.bird said:
@mal3volent

I could be wrong.

Why do you think it is that Americans are so outraged by this and Australians don't give a fuck?

That's what it seems like to me... and others.
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Because Americans are fucking crazy. Both the left and right get like insanely explosively furious about the tiniest little things. I'm in the UK and it's the same as Australia here; nobody gives a fuck.
We do increasingly get crazies here, too, thanks to America's influence and social media. We have "Fat Positivity" now and TERFS etc which was never a thing before.
America seems obsessed with other peoples sexuality or gender identity. Like, why would you give a single flying fuck who a strangers loves or has sex with, or what genitals they have etc?
Having said that, it's not even CLOSE to their extreme obsession with race. Everything always comes down to race for some reason. We find that so weird here because...people are people? And their race just isn't a thing you'd use to categorize them, or treat them, or for people to identify themselves by etc.

P.S. Hastag NotAllAmericans lol. Obviously I'm generalizing. There are many amazing Americans on here whom I love.
 
ChemicallyEnhanced said:
While there WERE homosexual Nazi's, they were sort of protected by their hierarchy and being in Hitler's favor. Gay men (or men even suspected of being gay) were absolutely sent to concentrations camps and forced to wear a pink triangle, the same way Jews were forced to wear the star of David. I have even read of homosexual Nazi's either deliberately being assigned - or purposefully getting themselves assigned - the wear the homosexuals were kept where they borderline-openly sexually abused them, including performing torturous "sexual experiments" on them.

Howeverrrrrr, stating that the Nazi's had a higher percentage of homsexuals than the general population is just untrue,
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Please quote where I said the nazis had a higher percentage of homosexuals than the general population?
As a matter of fact, you're like 2nd or 3rd person to put words in my mouth here.

My original comment was that the nazis were pioneered by butch homosexual men (which is just a fact, I've already shown this numerous times now).

Then some one comes in and claims I said they were "over-represented" and now we have you here claiming I stated that they had a higher percentage than the general population? Neither one of those things were said by me.

Are any of you actually reading anything I say or ?
Ironically most of the people here trying to tell me I'm "wrong" are a) admitting in their own comments that gay nazis existed & that it was even okay in instances & b) trying to say I said something I didn't so you can come at me like I did.

And here I thought this would only ruffle new age neo-nazi's feathers but apparently I was wrong about that at least.
 
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who has the time to read a book? let alone go to the library? separate from the whole protest drag queens reading to children debate, or even have kids? it seems ridiculous. I mean I don't even have a real job and I don't have the time to go to a protest or read to children in drag :p i mean I'm making jokes, but why would anyone care about any of this? aren't people supposed to be drinking beer and watching football?

people have way to much false motivation and free time in our Western society today. We all should be making artillery shells or be productive parents and neglect our children...
its like two world colliding, and it happened in Canada too.

I remember story time at the library and involved climbing thru some sort of tube, maybe a clown was involved. or a puppet show. take me back to the 80s dammit where things were simpler and I could read about Space and our Solar System :)
 
mal3volent said:
Gosh, we really are useless aren't we?
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i don't think that's what he's saying mal.


sunday.bird said:
Why do you think it is that Americans are so outraged by this and Australians don't give a fuck?
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i think there is a puritanical streak in some american politics which is at play, to an extent, in this issue.

i think, moreso, there's a fair helping of "think of the children!" mock outrage.

it's a fallacious, emotional, political appeal to pity and it is an example of virtue signaling - a crime of which righties are very quick to accuse lefties.

irony lost, obviously.

alasdair
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
Please quote where I said the nazis had a higher percentage of homosexuals than the general population?
As a matter of fact, you're like 2nd or 3rd person to put words in my mouth here.

My original comment was that the nazis were pioneered by butch homosexual men (which is just a fact, I've already shown this numerous times now).

Then some one comes in and claims I said they were "over-represented" and now we have you here claiming I stated that they had a higher percentage than the general population? Neither one of those things were said by me.

Are any of you actually reading anything I say or ?
Ironically most of the people here trying to tell me I'm "wrong" are a) admitting in their own comments that gay nazis existed & that it was even okay in instances & b) trying to say I said something I didn't so you can come at me like I did.

And here I thought this would only ruffle new age neo-nazi's feathers but apparently I was wrong about that at least.
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Ahhh but thy put thine own words in mine oral orifice also, mine companion!
Alas! Egads! Thine speak with fork-ed tongue!

I never said you DID say that. But a lot of people inferred (seemingly incorrectly) that was what you were saying. And it did sound that way,

No need to be so defensive. I did a whole-ass reply, agreeing with 95% of what you said and backing you up, yet you focus entirely on the one little corrective/disagreeing comment I made.
 
But nah, the outrage isn't mock. It might be for Walsh, Tucker, etc... but everything about them is false, so that goes without saying. They're grifters, just like Dylan Mulvany and his ilk.

and there are plenty of trans people who agree with me. They're just too afraid to speak. Anyone who dissents at all is cast out of the club.
 
i'm not sure how i feel about this honestly.

i lived in san francisco for many years so i'm maybe a little desensitized and not current.

i think here, as with many things, a large harmless majority are maybe being tarred with the same brush as a small, loud, troubling minority.

alasdair
 
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