Gun Pulled & Man Maced As Neo-Nazi Protestors Surround Family Drag Storytime Event

[arrall]

The outrage around drag queen storytime hours seems utterly appalling and ridiculous to me as a non-American.
This past Saturday, men armed with swastika flags chanted "Sieg heil", "Weimar solutions", "Heil Hitler", "Pedophiles get the rope", & "Faggots go home" as they surrounded the "Rock-n-Roll Humanist Drag Queen Story Hour" event in Wadsworth, Ohio.
At two different points (see the 3rd and 4th tweets below), a man - who was later arrested - can be seen pulling out a gun and aiming it towards angry event attendees.

There has to be a ridiculous amount of media brainwashing in the USA for white supremacists with guns and swastika flags to show up to protest an event in which a drag queen reads a story written by a 9 year old to children and their families.

 

[axe battler]

Yeah, I took my son to a drag story hour. It was good fun.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Most "neo-nazi's" are too ignorant to even know their entire "movement" was started by a bunch of butch homosexuals in the Sturmabteilung. Started by none other than Hitler's best friend & openly homosexual pal Ernst Rohm.


There is a lot of media brainwashing that goes on in the US. On both sides of aisle too.

 

[arrall]

Most "neo-nazi's" are too ignorant to even know their entire "movement" was started by a bunch of butch homosexuals in the Sturmabteilung. Started by none other than Hitler's best friend & openly homosexual pal Ernst Rohm.


There is a lot of media brainwashing that goes on in the US. On both sides of aisle too.

I looked for some info about this on Google, and found this:

There is a widespread and long-lasting myth alleging that homosexuals were numerous and prominent as a group in the Nazi Party[a] or the identification of Nazism with homosexuality more generally. It has been promoted by various individuals and groups both before and after World War II, especially by left-wing Germans during the Nazi era[1] and the Christian right in the United States more recently.[4] Although some gay men joined the Nazi Party, there is no evidence that they were overrepresented. The Nazis harshly criticized homosexuality and severely persecuted gay men, going as far as murdering them en masse. Therefore, historians regard the myth as having no merit.[c]

Do you have any sources for this?

 

[mal3volent]

I still don't understand why crossdressing men and burlesque performers have become the face of the trans movement. Or why they so desperately want to associate with children. Why has this become the issue that the "humanists" have decided to coalesce around?

I will say again that it seems fundamentally counterproductive for everyday trans people, whose goal (I thought) was to blend in and be seen as who they are, to associate and identify with such an extreme and perverse agenda. Society was largely moving in the right direction and then this shit started. Extremism attracts extremism.

I feel for those who are just living their lives, trying to get by, and are branded as pedos and now have these nazis to worry about as well.

 

[arrall]

I still don't understand why crossdressing men and burlesque performers have become the face of the trans movement. Or why they so desperately want to associate with children. Why has this become the issue that the "humanists" have decided to coalesce around?

I will say again that it seems fundamentally counterproductive for everyday trans people, whose goal (I thought) was to blend in and be seen as who they are, to associate and identify with such an extreme and perverse agenda. Society was largely moving in the right direction and then this shit started. Extremism attracts extremism.

I feel for those who are just living their lives, trying to get by, and are branded as pedos and now have these nazis to worry about as well.

The purpose, from what I've heard, is to create an accepting space in which children can learn and ask quesstions about gender non-conformity and the existence of LGBTQ+ people.
I've been to a few drag shows recently and I really don't see the issue with family-friendly variants being shared with children.
Nobody is forcing kids to go to this. Parents can choose to bring their children to these events.
Isn't American conservatism all about being able to safely raise your child however you see fit without external interference?

Drag is also different from being trans, as drag is generally a form of self-expression for people who are often not trans.
All of the drag queens who I have spoken with and seen perform were cisgender gay/bisexual men using drag to express themselves.

I don't really see any of this as extreme, granted I come from a relatively "progressive" (still can't give Indigenous people clean drinking water, so probably not progressive enough) country.
Why blame a group for their own persecution?

 

[mal3volent]

The purpose, from what I've heard, is to create an accepting space in which children can learn and ask quesstions about gender non-conformity and the existence of LGBTQ+ people.

Speaking as a "LGBTQ+" (can't help but to roll my eyes, sorry) person, we don't need told we exist. We know we exist and so does everyone else. It's 2023, so let's see... I would say the vast majority of the world stopped giving a shit and overtly discriminating against us like well over a decade ago. There was a time not that long ago when I sincerely thought we were approaching the day that I always dreamed of as a kid: the day I would be perceived as just another person. Not a gay person, not a LGBTQIA+ person, just a person. That dream is long gone now though. All this stupid drag bullshit is creating a resurgence of homophobia and religious zealotry. The narrative is once again that the "queers" are lusting after children. And the idiots in the videos you posted are to blame, on both sides.

I honestly think that most of this is your generation being spoiled and bored if I'm being honest. No offense. And yes, I'm officially old now that I've decided to play that card () , but it's true. Millennials had marriage equality, dont ask don't tell, etc, and grew up in the GWB era. And even that was small potatoes compared to those who came before us who either stayed in the closet or were forced to fear for their safety.

Kind of got sidetracked there. But yeah.

 

[mal3volent]

Why blame a group for their own persecution?

Who is being persecuted ? And how ?

Nazis and religious bigots are feeling empowered and have decided to crawl out of their holes because of the drag show shit. So for the ones who continue to insist on that type of thing, yes, I do blame them I suppose.

How did parents manage to raise their kids to accept the queers before Bouncing Bertha trotted into their local library? I mean that must've been tough.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

easily one of the stupidest things going on in the world today

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I looked for some info about this on Google, and found this:

Do you have any sources for this?

"He was one of the senior members in Franz Ritter von Epp's Bayerisches Freikorps für den Grenzschutz Ost ("Bavarian Free Corps for Border Patrol East"), formed in Ohrdruf in April 1919, which finally overturned the Munich Soviet Republic by force of arms on 3 May 1919. In 1919 he joined the German Workers' Party (DAP), which the following year became the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP).[11] Not long afterward he met Adolf Hitler, and they became political allies and close friends.[12] Throughout the early 1920s, Röhm remained an important intermediary between Germany's right-wing paramilitary organizations and the Reichswehr.[13] Additionally, it was Röhm who persuaded his former army commander, Franz Ritter von Epp, to join the Nazis, an important development, since Epp helped raise the sixty-thousand marks needed to purchase the Nazi periodical, the Völkischer Beobachter.[14]

During early September 1923, when the Nazi Party held its "German Day" celebration at Nuremberg, it was Röhm who helped bring together some 100,000 participants drawn from right-wing militant groups, veterans' associations, and other paramilitary formations—which included the Bund Oberland, Reichskriegsflagge, the SA, and the Kampfbund—all of them subordinate to Hitler as "political leader" of the collective alliance.[15] Röhm resigned or retired from the Reichswehr on 26 September 1923.[11]

"Furthermore, Röhm and his SA colleagues thought of their force as the core of the future German Army, and saw themselves as replacing the Reichswehr and its established professional officer corps.[44] By then, the SA had swollen to over three million men, dwarfing the Reichswehr, which was limited to 100,000 men by the Treaty of Versailles. Although Röhm had been a member of the officer corps, he viewed them as "old fogies" who lacked "revolutionary spirit". He believed that the Reichswehr should be merged into the SA to form a true "people's army" under his command, a pronouncement that caused significant consternation within the army's hierarchy and convinced them that the SA was a serious threat.[45] At a February 1934 cabinet meeting, Röhm then demanded that the merger be made, under his leadership as Minister of Defence.[46]"

"The army officer corps viewed the SA as an "undisciplined mob" of "brawling" street thugs, and was also concerned by the pervasiveness of "corrupt morals" within the ranks of the SA. Reports of a huge cache of weapons in the hands of SA members caused additional concern to the army leadership.[46] Unsurprisingly, the officer corps opposed Röhm's proposal. They insisted that discipline and honor would vanish if the SA gained control, but Röhm and the SA would settle for nothing less. In addition the army leadership was eager to co-operate with Hitler given his plan of re-armament and expansion of the established professional military forces.[44]"

"Under Röhm, the SA often took the side of workers in strikes and other labor disputes, attacking strikebreakers and supporting picket lines. SA intimidation contributed to the rise of the Nazis and the violent suppression of rival parties during electoral campaigns, but its reputation for street violence and heavy drinking was a hindrance, as was the rumored homosexuality of Röhm and other SA leaders such as his deputy Edmund Heines.[32] In June 1931, the Münchener Post, a Social Democratic newspaper, began attacking Röhm and the SA regarding homosexuality in its ranks and then in March 1932, the paper obtained and published some private letters of his in which Röhm described himself as "same-sex oriented" (gleichgeschlechtlich). These letters had been confiscated by the Berlin police back in 1931 and subsequently passed along to the journalist Helmuth Klotz.[33]

Hitler was aware of Röhm's homosexuality. Their friendship shows in that Röhm remained one of the few intimates allowed to use the familiar German du (the German familiar form of "you") when conversing with Hitler.[12] Röhm was the only Nazi leader who dared to address Hitler by his first name "Adolf" or his nickname "Adi" rather than "mein Führer".[34] Their close association led to rumors that Hitler himself was homosexual.[35] Unlike many in the Nazi hierarchy, Röhm never fell victim to Hitler's "arresting personality" nor did he come fully under his spell, which made him unique.[36]

As Hitler rose to national power with his appointment as chancellor in January 1933, SA members were appointed auxiliary police and ordered by Göring to sweep aside "all enemies of the state".[28]"

Ernst Röhm - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All straight from wikipedia. There's plenty of reading out there about homosexuality in the SA & SS. Or at least there use to be. May not in today's "woke" world on google as much but there are books out there about it as well.

Homosexuality was not a crime until the SS & Hitler took over. And when it became a crime, it also became one of the excuses for having Rohm killed on Night Of The Long Knives.

So before Hitler even rose to power, homosexuality was accepted & a thing in the SA. Obviously this changed, but it still doesn't change the fact that the earliest Nazis were not homophobic like the "nazis" we have today.

Not to mention this also means Hitlers best komrade was a homosexual & didn't have a problem with it until much later (Especially when Himmler came around).
And Hitler didn't kill him cause he was gay, but out of rivalry.

People also like to claim that the "gay nazis" stuff is "myth" spread by Jewish people to make nazis look gay. *eye roll*
But there's no denying the fact that Ernst Rohm existed (among many others) and homosexuality existed in the SA & was tolerated, long before Hitler was ever even involved.

 

[G_Chem]

“Unlike many in the Nazi hierarchy, Röhm never fell victim to Hitler's "arresting personality" nor did he come fully under his spell, which made him unique.”

You fail to mention Hitler had him killed in 34 by the SS. Obviously Hitler didn’t like him that much.

-GC

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

“Unlike many in the Nazi hierarchy, Röhm never fell victim to Hitler's "arresting personality" nor did he come fully under his spell, which made him unique.”

You fail to mention Hitler had him killed in 34 by the SS. Obviously Hitler didn’t like him that much.

-GC

He had him killed out of rivalry & then took his army really. Had nothing to do with his homosexuality (which is the topic of this post, not whether or not Hitler "liked" Rohm).

Kinda strange that for some one he supposedly didn't like, Rohm wasn't the only one allowed to address him by his first name.

Why is so hard for you guys to accept that gay nazis existed & that it wasn't a "crime" until Hitler took over? Lol That's just basic fact at this point.
I mean unless you guys are trying to defend this generations "neo-nazis" by pretending none of this happened & that being gay has always been a "bad" thing to nazis.
Can't have todays Christian White Nationalists thinking that nazis once accepted gay people. Not to mention White Christian Nationalists seem to forget how christiniaty shit all over & persecuted European people for practicing their own culture (paganism) for the longest time. So they're basically apart of a religion that hates true white European culture.

And from my own experience with men, I'm sure there were a lot of closeted SS members as well.

In the 90s there were also gay NS groups & magazines in California. Obviously these weren't real "nazis", but it goes to show how their style can be perceived as homo-erotic.

I find it hilarious that today's "nazis" like to gloss over these little inconvenient facts. Shows they lack true male comradery if "gay" bothers them so much.


Oh look, the Nazi's also liked drag!

Photos show German Nazi soldiers dressing up in women's clothing

Artist Martin Dammann had intended to research soldiers' lives in the Third Reich, and ended up stumbling across a surprising number of amateur photographs of Nazis dressed as women.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[G_Chem]

He had him killed out of rivalry & then took his army really. Had nothing to do with his homosexuality (which is the topic of this post, not whether or not Hitler "liked" Rohm).

Kinda strange that for some one he supposedly didn't like, Rohm wasn't the only one allowed to address him by his first name.

Why is so hard for you guys to accept that gay nazis existed & that it wasn't a "crime" until Hitler took over? Lol That's just basic fact at this point.
I mean unless you guys are trying to defend this generations "neo-nazis" by pretending none of this happened & that being gay has always been a "bad" thing to nazis.
Can't have todays Christian White Nationalists thinking that nazis once accepted gay people. Not to mention White Christian Nationalists seem to forget how christiniaty shit all over & persecuted European people for practicing their own culture (paganism) for the longest time. So they're basically apart of a religion that hates true white European culture.

And from my own experience with men, I'm sure there were a lot of closeted SS members as well.

In the 90s there were also gay NS groups & magazines in California. Obviously these weren't real "nazis", but it goes to show how their style can be perceived as homo-erotic.

I find it hilarious that today's "nazis" like to gloss over these little inconvenient facts. Shows they lack true male comradery if "gay" bothers them so much.


Oh look, the Nazi's also liked drag!

Photos show German Nazi soldiers dressing up in women's clothing

Artist Martin Dammann had intended to research soldiers' lives in the Third Reich, and ended up stumbling across a surprising number of amateur photographs of Nazis dressed as women.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I honestly don’t really care much either way, just felt it worth noting. I’m sure you’re right. There’s gays everywhere.. Hitler very well could’ve been gay or had gay tendencies considering his use of meth and it’s ability to drop inhibitions.

Everyone glosses over facts to prove their point, just like you glossed over the facts Hitler killed him in 34 and made homosexuality a crime. I’d argue if he addressed Hitler with more respect maybe he would’ve lived..

-GC

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

He never liked Rohm's gayness - but he had to look past it to rise to the top

Kinda like what I did with the Pit

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Certain important Nazis in Hitler's early rise to power (esp in the SA) were open homosexuals, like Rohm, Heines, Rossbach etc. There is some evidence that Hitler was largely ambivalent to the issue of sexual orientation, at least when it came to practical political matters, and wasn't really that bothered by Rohm's homosexuality. There were many in the Nazi movement who were rabid homophobes, though, like Himmler, and that kind of won the day with Hitler because it fit into his natural social conservatism and fear of "degeneracy". So while gay Nazis were definitely a "thing", I don't think it's right to overstate their influence in the movement

Speaking as a "LGBTQ+" (can't help but to roll my eyes, sorry) person, we don't need told we exist. We know we exist and so does everyone else. It's 2023, so let's see... I would say the vast majority of the world stopped giving a shit and overtly discriminating against us like well over a decade ago. There was a time not that long ago when I sincerely thought we were approaching the day that I always dreamed of as a kid: the day I would be perceived as just another person. Not a gay person, not a LGBTQIA+ person, just a person. That dream is long gone now though. All this stupid drag bullshit is creating a resurgence of homophobia and religious zealotry. The narrative is once again that the "queers" are lusting after children. And the idiots in the videos you posted are to blame, on both sides.

Progression sometimes leads to regression. It's not just an ever-upward march towards increased rights for people...I mean just look at what these protestors were suggesting for an example of that Weimar Germany transforming into Nazi Germany.

Personally I think the entire drag issue is really dumb, I'm just not into it at all and I wish I would stop hearing about it tbh. But I understand the logic of the people who insist on keeping it going, though. Right now no laws are being broken and impropriety at these events, like children being exposed to potentially suggestive stuff, is definitely in the minority compared to events that are just completely milquetoast, non-descript events in which someone in a costume reads a book to children. If the laws change to criminalize such events, or even if extralegal activity forces the events from public life, that's looked upon by these people (identifying as they do with a sexual orientation outside the mainstream) as a step along a path filled with a succession of steps toward the steady erosion of their rights. That's what happened in Russia, Germany, other countries. I don't think it would be as easy to accomplish in the USA but it's a valid concern imo, especially since some of the leading activists in the "anti drag queen movement" view the issue as merely the opening salvo in a campaign to push "sexual deviants" out of public life

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

If you don't want your kids seeing drag shows...don't take them to drag shows. It's that simple.

Also, if you're okay with fucking NAZIs but not drag queens, you're already a lost cause.

Also also, the fucking cowards have face coverings on.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Certain important Nazis in Hitler's early rise to power (esp in the SA) were open homosexuals, like Rohm, Heines, Rossbach etc. There is some evidence that Hitler was largely ambivalent to the issue of sexual orientation, at least when it came to practical political matters, and wasn't really that bothered by Rohm's homosexuality. There were many in the Nazi movement who were rabid homophobes, though, like Himmler, and that kind of won the day with Hitler because it fit into his natural social conservatism and fear of "degeneracy". So while gay Nazis were definitely a "thing", I don't think it's right to overstate their influence in the movement



Progression sometimes leads to regression. It's not just an ever-upward march towards increased rights for people...I mean just look at what these protestors were suggesting for an example of that Weimar Germany transforming into Nazi Germany.

Personally I think the entire drag issue is really dumb, I'm just not into it at all and I wish I would stop hearing about it tbh. But I understand the logic of the people who insist on keeping it going, though. Right now no laws are being broken and impropriety at these events, like children being exposed to potentially suggestive stuff, is definitely in the minority compared to events that are just completely milquetoast, non-descript events in which someone in a costume reads a book to children. If the laws change to criminalize such events, or even if extralegal activity forces the events from public life, that's looked upon by these people (identifying as they do with a sexual orientation outside the mainstream) as a step along a path filled with a succession of steps toward the steady erosion of their rights. That's what happened in Russia, Germany, other countries. I don't think it would be as easy to accomplish in the USA but it's a valid concern imo, especially since some of the leading activists in the "anti drag queen movement" view the issue as merely the opening salvo in a campaign to push "sexual deviants" out of public life

You outlined what I originally had said, but much more clearly & articulate than me in your first paragraph.
Because of that, one can still theoretically say that butch open homosexual men are what helped the Nazis get to where they got. And that it wasn't much of an issue in the beginning but later became criminalized due the reasons you mentioned. That's just a fact. And was all I originally said.

Arrall brought up something from google saying it was a "myth that gays were over represented in the nazis:".,.... Uhhh okay. That's fine & dandy but I didn't say anywhere that they were "over represented", I said that the nazi movement was helped pioneered by openly butch homosexual men... which is just a fact. lol
It's not like I said the gay community got together & started National Socialism or anything.

I honestly don’t really care much either way, just felt it worth noting. I’m sure you’re right. There’s gays everywhere.. Hitler very well could’ve been gay or had gay tendencies considering his use of meth and it’s ability to drop inhibitions.

Everyone glosses over facts to prove their point, just like you glossed over the facts Hitler killed him in 34 and made homosexuality a crime. I’d argue if he addressed Hitler with more respect maybe he would’ve lived..

-GC

I just find history & hypocrisy interesting is all & have no problem pointing it out.

I also enjoy when people & events contradict long held stereotypes (i.e. - gay men are flamboyant, gay men are all left leaning, all nazis were straight, all white supremacists hate gays, etc...etc..) because it makes socially conditioned people's minds go haywire. Kinda like some people in this post who scrambled to deny reality.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I still don't understand why crossdressing men and burlesque performers have become the face of the trans movement. Or why they so desperately want to associate with children. Why has this become the issue that the "humanists" have decided to coalesce around?

I will say again that it seems fundamentally counterproductive for everyday trans people, whose goal (I thought) was to blend in and be seen as who they are, to associate and identify with such an extreme and perverse agenda. Society was largely moving in the right direction and then this shit started. Extremism attracts extremism.

I feel for those who are just living their lives, trying to get by, and are branded as pedos and now have these nazis to worry about as well.

Exactly.

Drag, female/male impersonation, drag queens, etc. are not for children or teens. I write this as a bisexual man who grew up around drag queens, and just regular garden variety queens.

They never appeared in character or costume in my presence. I never saw photographs or video of them in drag if they did the contests or would go to TV/CD/drag bars with other lipstick friends, or dressed in drag for charity events or parties. Sex was never mentioned at all by any of them, both in general, and about their own personal sex lives. They didn't sing songs or tell jokes about sex.

I have never dressed in drag, have no desire to, and drag queens and drag events should have stayed in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, or basically completely stopped b. 1989 or 1990.

I find most drag queens to be super boring, unoriginal, and they make the worst narcissistic people look like total amateurs.

I blame Ru Paul. I used to like him, decades before he made drag queens mainstream, but Ru Paul and trans people as well as Trans rights activists falsely claimed that 'drag queens are trans!' Or that a black transwoman started the Stonewall riots when in reality this did not happen.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

I still don't understand why crossdressing men and burlesque performers have become the face of the trans movement. Or why they so desperately want to associate with children. Why has this become the issue that the "humanists" have decided to coalesce around?

I will say again that it seems fundamentally counterproductive for everyday trans people, whose goal (I thought) was to blend in and be seen as who they are, to associate and identify with such an extreme and perverse agenda. Society was largely moving in the right direction and then this shit started. Extremism attracts extremism.

I feel for those who are just living their lives, trying to get by, and are branded as pedos and now have these nazis to worry about as well.

They're not the face of the trans movement; they're not even trans.
They're literally just entertainers.

Agree with all you've said. IME when the right accuse the left of something, they're always deflecting. Right-wing politicians are constantly involved in child-sex scandals, where they're ACTUALLY paedophiles/predators. It never happens with drag queens.

Trans people only want to "Blend in" in terms of being treated like any other person. They (most of them) don't want to "trick" people into thinking they're cis. Like trans men are men and trans women are women, and they want to be acknowledged as such, but they also know that they have differences from their cis counterparts and (again, most) don't deny that.

"Extremism attracts extremism" is so true and even in cases where there is a clear-cut, objective "right side", extremism is never a good thing.

 

[sunday.bird]

Why do all internet discussion immediately descend into Nazi chatter?

I still don't understand why crossdressing men and burlesque performers have become the face of the trans movement. Or why they so desperately want to associate with children.

Do they desperately want to associate with children or do they not want to be told that they can't associate with children?

If somebody told me it was inappropriate for me to read books to kids, I would passionately object... doesn't make me a kiddy fiddler.

Speaking as a "LGBTQ+" (can't help but to roll my eyes, sorry) person, we don't need told we exist. We know we exist and so does everyone else. It's 2023, so let's see...

Little kids don't know you exist. They are curious. They have questions about this sort of stuff.

I don't personally talk to my 4 year old about sexuality or anything like that (because why would I?) but I'm not going to tell other parents how to raise their kids.

I'm sure there will be trans kids (and gay kids) at school at some point and the topic will come up.

I'm curious, mal: what age do you think is appropriate for these discussions?

I would say the vast majority of the world stopped giving a shit and overtly discriminating against us like well over a decade ago.

Do you mean the western world?

I don't know what it's like in the US, but there's still a lot of anti-gay rhetoric in Australia... particularly among men. They will act a certain way in front of women (and gay guys), then say all sorts of slurs and homophobic jokes when they're in a safe space. Most of it is peer pressure - I think - rather than genuine hatred. It is definitely there, though.