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Psychonautical

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Hello my favorite forum,
3 days ago, at about 10 at night,
i went to go and acquire some icecream for me and my friends.
i was biking back home after obtaining it and i started to think to myself about the time my parents gma and myself got into a car accident and how i had an eerie feeling that day.

so im half way home on my bike and im watching this van come up the street he was very far away when i last looked up. as im crossing the green light at the intersection. which i had the right of way for, this man hits me head on going 50km\h

when it happened i was back onto my feet as soon as it had haapened.
i clenched my teeth so hard i broke some of my molars and i was spitting out pieces of teeth screaming oh my god you broke my teeth and you killed me at the top of my lungs. all i could taste was blood.

the man who hit me got out of his van and i was screaming and yelling at hi you killed me, why did you have to kill me...


the man runs over to the bus that was parked at the opposing intersection waiting for the light to change screaming about how he needs a cell phone, i am hysterical flat out laughing and crying and screaming and spitting out my teeth and not a single person came to comfort me...

the most humiliating part of the whole thing was. i was begging pleadin with the gathering crowd to please let me use a cellphone but no one would let me use their cellphone to call my girlfriend to let her know what had happened. they were on their cellphones telling their friends what had happened no one would even look at me, no one, yet they were talking about me, to other people. finally i just screamed please someone call her i'm dying please...

and then when i felt as if the entertainment value of the scene had diminished my ego enough i ran 2 blocks home blood dripping from my legs head arms with a broken toe. i make it to my street and a common ritual that my girlfriend has is, if i am taking a long time she'll meet me there...

i get around the cornor sure enough shes there, i screamed at the top of my lungs SAMANTHA I WAS HIT BY A VAN NO ONE WOULD HELP ME
all of my neighbors lights came on. the lady who delivers my papers ran out of her house and tried to make me sit down.i fled back to my house and in instinct tried to light a cigrette

if you have ever seen an UFC fight any open wound to your skull bleeds like a fountain. that is what i was told by the ambulance driver.


he was born in 1928
82 yrs old very well lit intersection. he got charged
i split my skull open in the front right hand cornor and had a mild fracture of the faceplate that holds my face to my head. i need plastic surgury on my right hand my left toe is broken both my knees are fucked

oh and i have a pontiac symbol stitched into my head because i hit the hood ornament har har.

sad strange part is this only happened a few days ago i have not had one good nights worth of rest sense it happened i wake up crying feeling the same sort of out of body feeling i got when it happened.

no internal damage, and no brain damage, just a huge mongoloid looking protrusion that is my forehead.

i feel bad dually and i don't know what to do about it...

hes 82 yrs old someones grandpa it was an accident on his behalf and he got charged i just found out today which means i have the right to press charges but i feel i would be a bad person if i did,,,

everyone is telling me to get a lawyer but personally i think the shock of him seeing me like this was probably enough for him... on the opposite i havn't had a decent sleep in 4 days and i hate opiates.... so yeah i am in pain...

im such a pot head it really doesnt phase me painwise



does anyone here know of a good psychedelic that could help me manage all of these fucked up feelings....


the main thing in my mind is...people have died from less.... this is the 2nd time something like this has happened to me i never pressed charges with the first lady because my bicycle was the only thing broken and i didnt get hurt because i jumped off of it A.S.A.P

why am i so lucky

this guy wouldnt even look at me the crowd that gathered humliated me and i feel bad for yelling at him and putting on such a display but i was in shock obviously which was why i didnt get charged for running home.

The cops were surprised i ran home after they saw me...

im done ranting for now... will have some pictures for you soon....
 
Man that’s a tough story to swallow and I understand your moral dilemma. Maybe try and settle it out of court with the man, he did put you through a horrible experience and all drivers should be more wary when coming across cyclists.

Have you been told anything about long term damage? I hope you’re alright.

In terms of psychedelics maybe stay off them for a while because while I've never had flashbacks, my girlfriend has had horrible flashback like LSD trips to some traumatic experiences. She does suffer from depression though which can influence LSDs effects when on a down period in your life. However there have been glowing reports of psychedelics helping people really put situations into perspective.
 
Well done in surviving. Maybe there's times when litigation is not the most just way to go. You sound like you have a huge measure of humanity :)
 
I think you might as well attempt to settle for the 10 grand his insurance company is able to pay out. The insurance agency will probably settle being as how his time left driving is not very much. And it wouldnt effect him badly as his elevated insurance rate would only be for a maximum of another decade before he is no longer able to drive....

Plus that is some shit to go through, might as well get payed for surviving it.

I would stay away from psychedelics for a while as it is likely to have a negative experience when this trauma is so new in your mind.
 
I don't think you should press charges. He's 82, his mind is probably fading and he didn't mean to do it. Imagine having to go to jail or face trial even at that age, it would seriously suck, especially going to jail because you'd basically be given a life sentence no matter what. I can understand wanting to settle out of court, but I really don't think you should take it to court. Put yourself in his shoes.

On to your case, I don't know about any psychedelics that could help with the trauma. I don't think you should trip until your wounds have healed up because tripping while being in pain could turn out bad, although I find a lot of hallucinogens make pain seem irrelevant (LSD does this very strongly to me). Pharmahuasca and mushrooms are both pretty good in terms of theraputic value in my opinion. MDMA is too, although I don't know if rolling would help you deal with this kind of trauma.
 
You may not have any obvious signs of brain damage but you'd better sit it out for another week and see if anything new develops before you think about tripping. MDMA has been shown to be successful in treating PTSD. It helps to forgive. That would probably be a solid choice for helping you to come to terms with the situation when the time is right.

The reason no one would help you was because there were so many people there. It's called "social loafing" or the "bystander effect" -- no one feels responsible because they intuitively feel the responsibility is divided equally among everyone present and their share isn't enough to warrant a substantial reaction. They conveniently ignore the fact that everyone else feels the same way. It's one of the more repulsive qualities of humans in groups (and there are lots). The rape and murder of Kitty Genovese is the most famous example, but years ago in Texas there was a video of a fat man getting beat up in his car by a bunch of guys while upwards of 60 people watched and laughed, taking pictures with their cellphones and calling their friends to talk about it but not the police.

About a year ago while I was tripping I was unlocking my bike outside of Walgreens when a disabled indigent woman fell to the ground while trying to get on her bike about 20 feet in front of me. She struggled on the ground like a beetle on its back as the crowd next to her stared and said nothing,. Passersby glanced at her and just walked on pretending like they didn't see it. I recognized the bystander effect immediately, and it was more my anger toward humanity than empathy that made me run over to help the woman get up. Her face was deformed and had long hairs growing out of it, and she could only grumble responses. Now people stopped and looked and decided the right thing to do was help. Now someone got out their cellphone and called an ambulance. What motivated them however was not empathy, but the desire to not be embarrassed in front of others in the presence of one person doing the right thing.

After asking some questions and trying to read her response to make sure nothing was broken, I lifted her to her feet and set her bike upright. She started to freak out and shake her head, then turned around and rode her rusted bike away without saying a thing. One woman came up to me saying what a nice man I was for helping her. I smiled, but what I really wanted to do was yell at the crowd for being so dangerously predictable and short sighted with regard to their individual responsibility. All I had done was the minimally decent thing to do -- and that act, which should have been motivated by empathy -- was, because of them, overshadowed by feelings of disgust.
 
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yeah this happened on the 21rst
at around 10 at night so this would be the 3rd day and everything is finally starting to turn purple...

anyways thx for explaining the bystander effect because out of an entire bus of people there was only one witness which i dunno really messes with my mind...

by the bystander effect really points out to me the hive mind of the social organism to me lol..
 
Wow, horrible story :\ Glad you're alive and somewhat ok.

In terms of helping you, I would say *CLEAN* MDMA and ketamine.

GHB/GBL will surely help you sleep and regenerate your body. Hopefully you have access to that somehow.
 
Keta-fuckin'-mine? Well, it's anaesthetic, I'll give you that, but that's why it seems like a bad idea -- he could well hurt himself more while anaesthetized. MDMA or MMDA (if you can get it) or something similarly pleasant/gentle (2C-I?) might help, but really cannabis is the best you'll do here.

If it were me, I'd press charges. That's the only legal advice I'm giving -- talk to a lawyer first even if you're not yet sure whether you're going to press charges, because they will know more about the situation than anyone here.
 
Glad you weren't more seriously injured. Probably best to lay off of non pain related drugs for the time being, but if you're still having issues several weeks later you might want to seek some psychiatric help. PTSD is a bitch. I have an admittedly mild (compared to combat vets, rape victims etc) problem with that myself from a serious leg injury i incurred almost a year ago to the day. It hasn't ruined my life by a long shot, but it does make for some unpleasant moments almost daily, but they aren't terribly frequent or long lived. Some pretty extensive work has been done on using MDMA to treat PTSD, but I wouldn't advise going it alone. If you're still having problems a few weeks from now you might want to check to see if you qualify for any upcoming MAPS research on MDMA for PTSD. I think they're expanding it in relatively short order to include victims of accidents like yours.

if the driver is insured i wouldn't imagine he'd suffer much if any personal consequences, his insurance company would likely have to pay for your lost wages & other expenses consequent to the injury. I'd say go for the insurance money, that's why people have insurance, and you deserve to be compensated for lost wages, bicycle, gauze bandages etc you're going to have to get at the drugstore. I wouldn't press criminal charges though unless he was drunk or something.
 
Atara: Why would you press charges-- what would you get out of that? Seriously, not flaming here, or talking shit, but when I see people act like that it disgusts me. I can see getting a settlement to pay for medical bills, but it seems like he has access to things that can help him get past it himeslf without fucking money and putting some old lonely guy in jail. Old people are like kids all over again
 
If anything like this ever happened to me i would only consider pressing charges if they were drunk or if there was another good reason. But if it was clearly an accident than i would definitely just take the insurance company pay out, no need to fuck up someones life unless they really deserve it...
 
^^^^^^^^^ true that. Insurance is a must for bills. Why should you have to pay for someone else hurting you. Charges, if no foul play was done, I don't think there should be any charges.

If the old man was drunk off his rocker, or anyone for that matter. Let them pay harsh penalties. I won't get into what I think about intoxicated driving.......

Goodluck.

And the ket is to be sitting down, no being mobile
 
I dont know where you live but WTF, people just look at you while your bleeding and shit and wont help? Seriously... wtf, i never want to live where ever you are.

As for the court thing.. i dont think you should. Just settle out of court.. tell him you want x amount of money, or youll take him to court. Kind of sad but.. you know whats really sad? Killing innocent people with your car because your an old fuckwit who cant see and shouldnt be driving in the first place.
 
well the police apparently already charged with wreckless driving and because he was driving without a full liscense they took his van.

as for the whole event i don't want to get anything out of him its the humiliation i felt at the hands of that crowd that really has me going...

like a bus full of people on their cell phones one at a time "hun, i'm here at mcnay this kid got hit"
just those slight variations in who each one was calling. then the smuggness of this one fucker he was like

"your covered in blood buddy im not just gunna give you my phone" so i scream the number at him and he tells me his phone isnt working .... man i ran 2 city blocks home....it was crazy.. i will have pictures tomorrow...
 
i'm psychonautical i'm the one who had the most spectacular time on 80mgs of the 4-aco-dmt
i've also done enough ketamine and mdma....

i was thinking possible AMT as a new horizons dip into serenity
 
Maybe AMT combined with something else; I find AMT on its own doesn't have the capacity to really put life into perspective unless it's with a fellow tripper who you can comfortably talk through everything with.
Perhaps your girlfriend could join in and you could have a talk about the whole experience and the feelings you’re getting over it. AMT doesn't have the mind fog of MDMA so it could be easier to talk easier on it.
 
psood0nym said:
You may not have any obvious signs of brain damage but you'd better sit it out for another week and see if anything new develops before you think about tripping. MDMA has been shown to be successful in treating PTSD. It helps to forgive. That would probably be a solid choice for helping you to come to terms with the situation when the time is right.

The reason no one would help you was because there were so many people there. It's called "social loafing" or the "bystander effect" -- no one feels responsible because they intuitively feel the responsibility is divided equally among everyone present and their share isn't enough to warrant a substantial reaction. They conveniently ignore the fact that everyone else feels the same way. It's one of the more repulsive qualities of humans in groups (and there are lots). The rape and murder of Kitty Genovese is the most famous example, but years ago in Texas there was a video of a fat man getting beat up in his car by a bunch of guys while upwards of 60 people watched and laughed, taking pictures with their cellphones and calling their friends to talk about it but not the police.

About a year ago while I was tripping I was unlocking my bike outside of Walgreens when a disabled indigent woman fell to the ground while trying to get on her bike about 20 feet in front of me. She struggled on the ground like a beetle on its back as the crowd next to her stared and said nothing,. Passersby glanced at her and just walked on pretending like they didn't see it. I recognized the bystander effect immediately, and it was more my anger toward humanity than empathy that made me run over to help the woman get up. Her face was deformed and had long hairs growing out of it, and she could only grumble responses. Now people stopped and looked and decided the right thing to do was help. Now someone got out their cellphone and called an ambulance. What motivated them however was not empathy, but the desire to not be embarrassed in front of others in the presence of one person doing the right thing.

After asking some questions and trying to read her response to make sure nothing was broken, I lifted her to her feet and set her bike upright. She started to freak out and shake her head, then turned around and rode her rusted bike away without saying a thing. One woman came up to me saying what a nice man I was for helping her. I smiled, but what I really wanted to do was yell at the crowd for being so dangerously predictable and short sighted with regard to their individual responsibility. All I had done was the minimally decent thing to do -- and that act, which should have been motivated by empathy -- was, because of them, overshadowed by feelings of disgust.
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That's deep man, you just gave me a lot too think about.
 
^ psood0nym's posts are always grade A.


Personally I'd wait to take a psychedelic until I healed to a significant degree. I know that psychedelics would make my pain & disability loom even larger than need be.
 
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