Guardian story - new drugs

[StoneHappyMonday]

If it bleeds, it leads.

Like it or not, "Man Takes Drugs And Has Quite A Good Night And Wakes Up Feeling Bit Groggy But Basically OK – Once He'd Had a Cuppa" is NOT a news story.

Dog bites man? Not news. Man bites dog? News. It's the nature of the game.

Man buys drugs online and goes blind and is paralysed? That's a story.

And therein lies the crux of the problem we on BL have with journalists. Leaving aside the fact that books and newspapers are different media and I haven't read your book so can't comment, by your own admission death is sexy. Death sells. Any newspaper or TV journalist coming here is not coming for us to share the 99.99% of drug experiences that don't end up in A&E. And that's our reality. Hundreds of BL'ers have known thousands of users with millions of experiences and, even allowing for the clusterfuck that is EADD, our reality does not mirror the one portrayed 'because death is sexy'. So there's your mistrust, right there.

Maybe the book is different. Though it might help if every article you wrote didn't have an advert at the bottom of it for your book.

I can't comment on the nBome thing, not my drug. I'll agree, with dosages in microgrammes, there is more potential for disaster. Essentially of course this needn't be a problem. Acid is/was dosed at even more extreme levels and that didn't go too bad. The problem is with the explosion in drug use and the naked capitalism being used to sell them. I acknowlege your article does concentrate on this aspect (and the one in yesterday's Guardian more so). But it's a shame that the overall importance of unscrupulous vendors is lost because of a culture of DRUGS are bad m'kay.

 

[brimz]

The supposed decriminalisation of drugs in Portugal is a political bargaining tool we may use and nothing more. I have a connection with Portugal and I assure you (and Brimz will back me up here) that no drug user in Portugal will recognise anything you say in that last paragraph Si. There is far more talk (and made up statistics) about Portugal's decriminalisation in this forum than there is in the whole of Portugal.

Frankly, the user on the ground in Lisbon has little idea of what you are talking about.

Their is a world of difference from what you will read in the media to what it is actually like living in Portugal & being an Actual Drug Addict .
I can prove it .
It'svery dangerous & The Police have no control or very little over certain areas.

It's probably well def. worse than when i was their 2007/9ish cos of the economy . They will have to start doing 3euro bags of Heroin instead of 5 . Its'a poor country & suffering badly , i bet loads of folks are at it , , Police
At it.

 

[Ismene]

The only goal of a good journalist is to speak the truth, and in my case, to effect social and cultural change. The reason I care about drug laws is because they seem irrational, unjust, counterproductive and even immoral.

I don't really get that feeling from your work tho Mike. Or at least that last article didn't suggest you found prohibition abominable - it seemed to be saying legal highs kill and need prohibiting.

But I do get your point that you can't say anything positive about drugs otherwise you wouldn't get printed. I still wonder how Nick Davies ever managed to get "Make heroin legal" printed and how he got that programme on Ch4 of the same name.

 

[Mailmonkey]

I don't really get that feeling from your work tho Mike. Or at least that last article didn't suggest you found prohibition abominable - it seemed to be saying legal highs kill and need prohibiting.

I think htres tryinig to saty thsat prohibiton ois wghat makses people gtuuuurn to dodgierd drugs.


ol,oi yooo twattrd [oooter off now

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I think htres tryinig to saty thsat prohibiton ois wghat makses people gtuuuurn to dodgierd drugs.


ol,oi yooo twattrd [oooter off now

Now yer just putting it on

 

[Brownz]

I had a minor psychosis last night after taking 4 'acid' tabs which definitely weren't acid.... Lost the plot and ended up naked in the road punching everybody... Horrible experience and have lost a lot of friends

 

[Si Dread]

Jesus buddy! You've been N Bombed!

Now that NBOMe's are every-fucking-where, I think BL should be advising EVERYONE to allergy test your blotters & DO NOT neck your usual 8 blotters coz if that's 25i on there instead of LSD, you're heading for an OD!

No more chewing up half dozen brand new blotters please people! Test Test Test!

 

[knock]

Sorry to hear that, brownz. NBOMe blotters I've had have been stiffer than LSD blotters and visibly impregnated with a substance. You can feel the stuff with your fingers. Maybe this is the "HPBCD" stuff? I don't know if this is universal but it's definitely a warning sign; if your blotter looks or feels different, it probably IS different.

 

[Ismene]

I thought somebody said Nbomes don't work if you swallow em?

 

[knock]

correct. brownz, how did you take yours?

I don't think there have been formal studies to ascertain bioavailability so I'd be wary of saying it "doesn't work" swallowed; however it's definitely another way to filter out nbome from acid. Swallow your tabs.

 

[Ismene]

^^

Pretty simple if so, shame Mike didn't mention it in his article.

 

[Brownz]

I bought 4, and just used them sublingually all at once... Horrible taste to them... I came up pretty hard sat on my sofa then blacked out after that... I remeber having thoughts which thinking back were deluded, I seemed to think I was actually comminicating with people that werent even there, I ended up spraining my mates wrist, hitting loads of people, including 2 women.. I have no recollection of this at all and am so ashamed! I have never felt so bad in my life and I am quite scared also...

 

[Si Dread]

I am so sorry for you man, that sucks big time!

Funny, I do know exactly how you feel. I awoke from a Ketamine induced coma after an asthma attack, went completely psycho the instant I came round, fought 5 orderlies, two mail nurses but a lovely Kiwi female nurse was the only one I managed to connect a punch with I felt terrible once I'd regained my composure. She was fine about it Lol

If your blotters tasted real bad, that seriously sounds like NBOMe. Test your blotters in future, never just neck them & spread this advice to everyone you know. It could prevent an event such as you've suffered & might prevent something much more serious.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I had a minor psychosis last night after taking 4 'acid' tabs which definitely weren't acid.... Lost the plot and ended up naked in the road punching everybody... Horrible experience and have lost a lot of friends

Very cool in playing it down as a minor psychosis. I'd be panicking and probably going into psychosis for real if that had happened to me....

I went to a meeting at my drop in last week, during opiate w/d. I hadnt slept properly for 9 days (just an hour here and there). Some people there seem to hate me now, but my key worker said she didnt want to talk about the matter when i raised it. I cant remember a thing about the meeting and Its a killer not knowing what you said or did.

 

[xTalK]

I thought somebody said Nbomes don't work if you swallow em?

Yeah, your body should break them down if you eat them. Although obviously if you keep them in your mouth a while they will still work - maybe not to their full extent though I don't know how fast things absorb sublinguially.

I got some NBOME blotters just to experiment with all this and see, especially since there is so much missold these days hopefully with a bit of experimenting I'll know in the future if I ever eat one by accident. Will be less of a shock this way. There are some people out there I know that treat it like pill testing and say the only way to know is by using a test kit.

I've heard, but can't confirm as it was just online reading rather than even directly talking to someone that the 'HPBCD' stuff is meant to make your NBOME absorb better if you eat it, stops it breaking it down as fast. However this is supposed to leave a form of residue (think sticky) on the sheet. I've noticed that the tabs look slightly off in both prints I've came across, compared to acid, the first just looked like it was printed on A4 or something. The second was like thicker blotter, stiffer as has been mentioned above.

When I've dosed NBOMEs up my nose they leave this numbing/burning dot where I directly dosed, if the blotter does this also it will be a big giveaway to judging NBOMEs compared to LSD as it has never numbed/burned. I'm also hoping there will be a noticeable difference in taste, compared to the LSD blotter with taste due to the ink/alcohol/w.e.

To be honest Brownz, did you not think to try the blotter in single or test (depending on preference) before dosing 4? That's asking for that sort've situation although I'm sorry to hear it happened. If there was 200ug blotter floating about compared to the typical 60-100ug stuff and someone who had never taken psychedelics before (comparable in a way to you taking 4 doses of a substance you aren't familiar with) then it's likely they'd do something similar. It's people doing these kinds of things that create such a negative portrayal of NBOMEs. If those blotter were NBOMEs and were 1mg each which is quite standard that could easily kill someone else.

I've made a thread for missold blotter, mainly NBOMEs. If you can get access to the blotter and get an image and post it would be appreciated to help avoid the situation happening to someone who doesn't handle it as well.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/675599-NBOME-Discussion-Misold-Blotter-and-Availability

 

[Ismene]

How experienced with acid are you brownz? I usually find I can instantly tell it's Nbome because I'm salivating like a rabid dog after about 10 minutes. With acid you can just leave an acid blotter under your tongue and forget about it.

 

[Brownz]

How experienced with acid are you brownz? I usually find I can instantly tell it's Nbome because I'm salivating like a rabid dog after about 10 minutes. With acid you can just leave an acid blotter under your tongue and forget about it.

I would say medium experienced. Tried acid first in around 2007, started taking it regularly in around 2010, almost every weekend or 2 for a while due to abundance. Would say I have had acid around 25- 30 times... Started off small dosing, then usually always double dropped, and after I got up to around the 15th time mark it was a ritual to drop 4 straight up, and usualy consume about 6 more throughout the next 24 or so hours. Only the past 2 or 3 times I have ever experienced anything negative. NBOMe from what I hear seems to be the culprit. I am living in Australia and hardly research chemicals and post on here any more. Thought I would make a few posts recently mainly concerning the dodgy blotters. Yeah I noticed excessive salivation, and coming up was really unpleasant and confusing. I have never blacked out on acid before either. I was having the most deluded thoughts I can ever imagine having in my life when on drugs, I remember scientific discussions, me being some sort of leader in a psychedelic orgy and people being there that are in England, having full blown conversations with them, when actually in real life from what I have been told I stripped naked and just got violent with everybody, smashing a glass table in our house, punching loads of people at our party and generally being a psychotic mess! My friends were going to ring the police on me that's how bad it got! I thought my girlfriend was there and had dumped me... Even though she is in England and I had spoke to her an hour before taking the acid talking about a really positive future together.I will definitely say some sort of temporary psychosis! I am still not 100% after 3 days I didn't even go to work as my brain feels violated! Every other time I have taken acid (apart from the previous couple of times when it definitely wasn't LSD) I have had meaningful, amazing experiences and never once got paranoid or anxious or had bad thoughts... Learnt a lesson big time! And will be testing tabs out before dropping heroic doses again!

 

[Brownz]

To be honest Brownz, did you not think to try the blotter in single or test (depending on preference) before dosing 4? That's asking for that sort've situation although I'm sorry to hear it happened. If there was 200ug blotter floating about compared to the typical 60-100ug stuff and someone who had never taken psychedelics before (comparable in a way to you taking 4 doses of a substance you aren't familiar with) then it's likely they'd do something similar. It's people doing these kinds of things that create such a negative portrayal of NBOMEs. If those blotter were NBOMEs and were 1mg each which is quite standard that could easily kill someone else.

Stupidly no I didn't think. I had not had drugs in a long time and just hoped for the best and went off hear/say that they weren't strong at all. I heard reports of people taking them and not feeling much but maybe they were just trying to prove how much of a big dick they had? Irish backpackers and all that...

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

And...he's back. Fair play, decent article and no advert for the book at the end of it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/29/drug-prohibition-rise-legal-highs

Rise in legal highs is fuelled by drug prohibition

And well done for including alcohol too

Ask a police officer which of these is legal: AMT, 6-APB, 25I-NBOME, 5F-AKB-48 or ETOH. All of them, and most towns now have a shop selling them, in some form or other. (The last one is booze, the world's deadliest legal high that kills 320,000 young people aged 15-29 worldwide every year, or 9% of deaths in that age group).

 

[Shambles]

Aye. Not a bad article at all that one. I still don't think the testing centre idea is any real longterm solution but should be a no-brainer whilst we remain stuck with stoooooopid prohibition laws. HR innit.