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Guardian story - new drugs

knock said:
It's public knowledge to anyone who googles "drugs discussion".
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Good luck to em knock - if they want to read through half a million 17 page threads then fair play, they'll have learned a lot at the end of the 20 years it will take them.

It's the people who want to read half a page article in the Guardian or the Sun, violently break wind, and then turn to the football reports I'm worried about.
 
The ACMD will do what they're told by the politicians. If they get out of line, they get sacked. Don't you remember?

Ismene said:
Good luck to em knock - if they want to read through half a million 17 page threads then fair play, they'll have learned a lot at the end of the 20 years it will take them.

It's the people who want to read half a page article in the Guardian or the Sun, violently break wind, and then turn to the football reports I'm worried about.
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But the journalists have access to it and also have the motivation and time to click on the second link in the google search result that says "European and African Drug Discussion", then scroll through a couple of pages revealing every fucking drug we take.
 
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To offer a glimmer of hope, I think the only way we will achieve the freedom we crave is by being vocal, honest and righteous. It would involve casualties, of course. I don't suppose people are up for martyrdom nowadays. Specially as Casey Hardison's go at that seemed to achieve fuck all.

It's either that or forget "legal" drugs and accept a shady existence on the Dark Net.
 
To be fair, I think if the media know what we're taking, the police and government already do. mephedrone seizures were mentioned in the police & customs report someone published on BL, BEFORE Meph et al were banned. They knew what we were up to because great mountains were coming in from China and some got stopped. From there it was a short step to google and vendors, most of whom sold methylone and then MDPV along with meph. I don't think the government and police needed The Sun or EADD to tell them that.

I think the media role is far more sinister and underhand than you are giving it credit for. I don't think it's because an editor has a slow news day.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
To be fair, I think if the media know what we're taking, the police and government already do. mephedrone seizures were mentioned in the police & customs report someone published on BL, BEFORE Meph et al were banned. They knew what we were up to because great mountains were coming in from China and some got stopped. From there it was a short step to google and vendors, most of whom sold methylone and then MDPV along with meph. I don't think the government and police needed The Sun or EADD to tell them that.
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Quite, we know the police read BL. Hi officer :p

I think the media role is far more sinister and underhand than you are giving it credit for. I don't think it's because an editor has a slow news day.
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Who, me? I think journalists are usually charlatans and the Media is one of the most sinister segments of our world.

My sister is a journalist and I can tell you straight she's not after truth, she seeks to fulfil a specific agenda. Her employers have one agenda, she has to meet that, and then she has her own agenda. But she's not after truth, and she is a fucking idiot! But I love her <3
 
knock said:
Who, me?
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No, Ismene actually. I don't think media editors are making the decisions to get drugs banned. They certainly help create the conditions though. When somebody decides the time is right. Mephedrone was known about for ages before it was banned.

As Mikes other article says, 'ecstasy' is now killing proper numbers of people, you'd think there would be a media outrage wouldn't you? The silence is telling.
 
So, Mike, I can see you're online, how's this working out for you?

By the way, my comment about journalists was a sweeping statement, I don't think you're necessarily a charlatan or an idiot and you seem to be interested in the truth ;)

Ah, he's fucked off.
 
Even if his intentions are good it could easily blow up in his face and make the RC scene even worse.

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parttime crackhead said:
No wonder ya creepy bastard.
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What did Nock do, come onto him? ;)

Has he gone again? His inbox is full too, probably Nocks dozens of flirty letters <3 Doesnt seem your feelings are reciprocated.

I actually like the Guardian & have read many pro liberalisaion pieces in there. They've published accurate stories about Ecstacy use whilst other broadsheets have rallied against the drug. The Guardian is often presenting common sense articles on Cannabis & on Ecstacy. They printed Nutts recent "Britain should follow NZ where Legal Highs may become sold in Chemists".

Obviously, when reporting on fatalities or violence that's drug related, their reports aren't so favourable to the drugs, understandably.
 
While I can see Mike_Power possibly wanting to have a positive result from this, I don't think there is a possibility for one and the reason has been covered much better by people here already than I can word it. Spread information on RCs to individuals not to masses via The Guardian. If you do follow through with this be sure to get a blog up with your actual article and spread that rather than the filtered final piece. Your book is a reasonable idea though, but stuff like this never really seems to benefit.
 
evening all. i spent my day talking to an NBOME user who was hospitalised recently, then watched rat tissues infused with various RCS, and spoke to a man who has interviewed 7,000 people about their drug use. so i'm knackered, and have a load of work to do, so i won't reply fully here.

i'm on a hiding to nothing, truth be told. i know that, comes with the territory. like i said, there are no secrets any more. even the silk road is covered in dozens of reports.

go check any media site for benzo fury 8) 6-apb, amt stories, annihilation, magic dragon, rocket fuel, smiles, fuck's sake. there are dozens. this stuff is being discussed right now, without my reporting on it, by the people who will soon ban it.

i will be naming loads of drugs in my piece, so i can be blamed for their eventual banning. because they will be banned.

i think that's stupid, not because i like them, or think their use is safe, or positive, but because it will not be based on evidence or quality reporting.

i'll be edited, of course, but the process is much less sinister than you may imagine. there's no media-governmental complex conspiring together to end your fun. the government does what it wants to retain power, so it can enrich its friends and itself, and the tabloids do what they do to make money. You think murdoch and dacre don't know their audience? they aren't dupes - they just disagree with you and think drugs should be banned.

the guardian is a liberal and progressive and intelligent publication, but sure, i can't be responsible for what happens after i write. i have no interest in preserving ro attacking a drug scene, i am simply documenting it.

but the only agenda i have is in the last paragraph of the MixMag article that's linked to elsewhere.

I'll check in tomorrow to see if i have any PMS, but for now I'm off to listen to guy garvey on listen again and relax. i completely undersand if folk here don't want to speak - and like I said, I have a dozen interviews I can use from other sources. But bluelight has interesting, intelligent people, and so... you know what to do/not do.
mp/out.
 
Mike_Power said:
i can't be responsible for what happens after i write. i have no interest in preserving ro attacking a drug scene, i am simply documenting it.
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Do we (the public) really need that type of documentation? I'd rather have it in the form of scientific research & publications than a Guardian piece.
 
Mike_Power said:
i'll be edited, of course, but the process is much less sinister than you may imagine. there's no media-governmental complex conspiring together to end your fun. the government does what it wants to retain power, so it can enrich its friends and itself, and the tabloids do what they do to make money. You think murdoch and dacre don't know their audience? they aren't dupes - they just disagree with you and think drugs should be banned.
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There doesn't need to be an explicit conspiracy. It's all subtext, culture, fear and tacit assumption. If you want to be a good journalist, analyse yourself, your colleagues, and your organisations ruthlessly.

Then find a new job :) Although it'll be the same deal there too ;)
 
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