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Guardian story - new drugs

an example of how on the ball rednet are, they 'discovered' salvia a few months ago and called it a new novel psychoactive substance....sadly these people inform addiction specialists aswell.

The ACMD is a flat out joke, it's so heavily politicised it's essentially crippled and in no position to actually do its job.

Look at their recent advice to the home office on arylcyclohexamines, they said in their report that MXE had no significant crime associated with it, had not caused significant numbers of people to end up in A&E, had caused NO DEATHS, yet they decided to call for it to be classified as class B and introduce harsh penalities for people using it. This is scandalous IMO.

Particulaly as they have now made it extremely difficult for any kind of research to be conducted into these drugs (like they did with the cathinones) which is absurd, considering the amount of research coming out now showing that NMDA receptor antagonists look increasingly important to development of antidepressants.
 
Ceres said:
The ACMD is a flat out joke, it's so heavily politicised it's essentially crippled and in no position to actually do its job.
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The ACMD are a bunch of "useful idiots" doing whatever Theresa May tells them to do. I believe they're banning Jenkem next.
 
Ismene said:
Then we can think ourselves very lucky and realise that we're living on borrowed time. Another article isn't going to buy us more time, it's going to give us less.
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I agree, we're living on borrowed time. I just think, in the long run, whether we on BL like it or not, whether we on BL co-operate or not, the drugs we take will be reported on in the press.

Stock up! And, in practice, there's always international mail order. And that velvet pathway thing.
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
to call it scandalous is going a bit over the top, though there is certainly nothing to be gained for giving him free information
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It is scandalous, it puts people in harms way, criminalises individuals, and stifles medical research, if that isn't a scandal I don't know what is.
 
By the way, MXE was implicated in at least one death. Let's not twist the facts to suit ourselves. The user was a fool, IVing a large dose of it with Methylone, but that doesn't change the fact it was involved in the death; whether it caused it or contributed to it we don't know, but it might well have been, given the funny way MXE goes with serotonergic drugs.

And as you all know MXE is possibly my favourite drug.
 
Perhaps knock - although if articles hadn't appeared in the mainstream press about Mephedrone (and Gordon Brown hadn't been so desperate for votes at the election) I'd bet my bollocks it would still be legal and an awful lot of people wouldn't have been prosecuted and had their lives destroyed. It's important to bear in mind what we're talking about here and how important it is that these drugs don't become illegal.

It's a funny thing trying to predict when a drug scare will catch hold of the medias imagination - Mike's article might well perk a Sun executives imagination, it might be a slow news week and hey presto it's banned. And then again it might not happen for years. I believe in the old yorkshire maxim - "see nowt, say nowt".

knock said:
By the way, MXE was implicated in at least one death. Let's not twist the facts to suit ourselves.
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But I'm pretty sure every substance known to mankind has been implicated in at least one death. I guess it depends who'se doing the implicating.

Satsumas kill 9 people a year.
 
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knock said:
By the way, MXE was implicated in at least one death. Let's not twist the facts to suit ourselves. The user was a fool, IVing a large dose of it with Methylone, but that doesn't change the fact it was involved in the death; whether it caused it or contributed to it we don't know, but it might well have been, given the funny way MXE goes with serotoninergic drugs.
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Not true, the ACMD's own report states that it was not the cause of any deaths.
 
Ismene said:
Perhaps knock - although if articles hadn't appeared in the mainstream press about Mephedrone (and Gordon Brown hadn't been so desperate for votes at the election) I'd bet my bollocks it would still be legal and an awful lot of people wouldn't have been prosecuted and had their lives destroyed. It's important to bear in mind what we're talking about here and how important it is that these drugs don't become illegal.

It's a funny thing trying to predict when a drug scare will catch hold of the medias imagination - Mike's article might well perk a Sun executives imagination, it might be a slow news week and hey presto it's banned. And then again it might not happen for years. I believe in the old yorkshire maxim - "see nowt, say nowt".



But I'm pretty sure every substance known to mankind has been implicated in at least one death. I guess it depends who'se doing the implicating.

Satsumas kill 9 people a year every year.
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I agree, I agree! But us merely being here posting about stuff already makes it public knowledge.

By all means, offer this man no information. But it won't make a blind bit of difference, he'll either write his story anyway, with information from somewhere else or just gleaned from what he reads here, or someone else will write a story for another paper.

Maybe we can delay it, but by a few months at best.

I just think the energy expended in outrage at the press is wasted energy.
 
knock said:
The death was in Sweden. It is true, whether or not the ACMD knows it or not.
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Yes teh death was in sweden but like you say the person had taken it IV with a shot of methylone and it can't be directly attributed to MXE.

That even said, ONE death with no direct link provable among the hundreds of thousands of people using it for the years between when it emerged and was banned is not justification for making it class B and declaring it has no medical utility, when that hasn't even been investigated and now wont because its illegal.
 
knock said:
I agree, I agree! But us merely being here posting about stuff already makes it public knowledge.
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Public knowledge to who tho? A handful of druggies? It's not them I'm worried about. It's when it becomes public knowledge to Chief Inspector Oliver Cromwell and his boys who are looking for something to do that will get them headlines.
 
Here I am, agreeing with BHM :D It's all about spectacle and nothing about truth.

Ismene said:
Public knowledge to who tho? A handful of druggies? It's not them I'm worried about. It's when it becomes public knowledge to Cheif Inspector Fucknut and his boys who are looking for something to do that will get them headlines.
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It's public knowledge to anyone who googles "drugs discussion".
 
I don't know what to make of all this, BUT I will say this, I'd rather see people like ourselves interviewed and giving educated opinions based upon knowledge and experience as opposed to the usual! I think the media must search for the dumbest chaviest tools to interview about the new 'rhino ket' or salvia AKA herbal ecstasy etc and how mashed they get and how non of them work blah blah blah!
 
outrage should be directed at the ACMD and the like who are responsible for completely mishandling these issues and doing exactly the opposite of what they ought to be doing.
 
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