Group responsible for 90 percent of acid sold in West is busted [updated]

it's so much more complex than that. 'capitalism is among many reasons why drugs are illegal' is far more accurate.
 
To the poster that said most acid comes from san francisco that is absolutely wrong. You are about 15-20 years behind.
I wont say where t comes from but its definately not san fran.
In fact when acid starting coming back after the missile psilo bust califronia was one of the last states to to get saturated, which wouldnt be the case if it was being produced there.
 
Delsyd said:
To the poster that said most acid comes from san francisco that is absolutely wrong. You are about 15-20 years behind.
I wont say where t comes from but its definately not san fran.
In fact when acid starting coming back after the missile psilo bust califronia was one of the last states to to get saturated, which wouldnt be the case if it was being produced there.
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I don't think anyone can say with absolute certainty where LSD does and does not come from, except in respects to what they see with their own eyes. Just because there isn't LSD in a particular city doesn't mean that there isn't massive amounts being synth there.

PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Is real LSD even easily available anymore like it was in the mid/late 90s?

I don't trip at all anymore and I've heard that what's sold as "acid" these days either is real LSD but very weak/poorly made, a research chemical, or it's fake gel/blotter.
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You should talk to other people! I think the whole RC/LSD thing was blown out of proportion by a few people talking very loudly.

Personally I've never once seen a research chemical sold as LSD and in the past few years there has been more good LSD than I've ever seen before.

Its hard to believe that this bust would account for anything close to a 90% reduction.
 
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boywonder said:
Just because there isn't LSD in a particular city doesn't mean that there isn't massive amounts being synth there.
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I'd think it'd be less likely it was there. Aren't LSD labs pretty high tech stuff? If I were making massive amounts in, say, Iowa, I wouldn't risk my lab by even distributing in Iowa, I'd be retailing it states away.
 
Barter fairs?

So... you're using your constitutional right to not have the government interfere with your private contracts...
And your right to not have the government take away your property.......

So... Where's the crime?

Banquo and I still don't see eye to eye on this.
He's saying the contracts are illegal because they contribute to a crime.
I keep challenging that the contract ITSELF is illegal - as is the ownership of property.

So I'm on another legal kick.

U.S. Code Title 18 Chapter 13 Section 241 and 242.
Conspiracy against Rights
Deprivation of Rights under Color of Law.


Real FEDERAL CRIMES these cops committed.
The Drug "Laws" are not laws - there is no injured party, i.e. there is no crime.
They are REGULATIONS (they're under chapter 21 of the U.S. Code - 18 is crimes, 21 is food and drugs)
Regulations are limitations on behavior.

I thought we were born as FREE citizens.
 
Kalash said:
So I'm on another legal kick.

U.S. Code Title 18 Chapter 13 Section 241 and 242.
Conspiracy against Rights
Deprivation of Rights under Color of Law.


Real FEDERAL CRIMES these cops committed.
The Drug "Laws" are not laws - there is no injured party, i.e. there is no crime.
They are REGULATIONS (they're under chapter 21 of the U.S. Code - 18 is crimes, 21 is food and drugs)
Regulations are limitations on behavior.

I thought we were born as FREE citizens.
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Kalash, is there anywhere you could link me to, perhaps even another thread of yours, where you fully explained this approach? I know jack shit about the ins/outs of federal law codes, and find your ideas interesting.
 
Didn't find a lab - at the very most I bet they were just putting the acid onto blotters after buying it from elsewhere. LSD synthesis setups aren't small or dinky as they require some eqipment that other drug synthesis (rec drugs that is) don't require at all - a fuck-off sized chromatography column full of zeolite isn't going to be the easiest of things to move or hide at a moments notice and that's the sort of thing required if they were supplying 90 percent of the acid for an area with a population of tens of millions.

If you want to see what they should have found if their clain is true, look up Operation Julie/Richard Kemp - that was the biggest UK bust of a lab supplying a fair percentage of European (and some of the rest of the world) LSD in the 70's
 
bingalpaws said:
it's so much more complex than that. 'capitalism is among many reasons why drugs are illegal' is far more accurate.
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it is more complex than just capitalism, i suppose Terrence McKenna had a lot of good explanations why drugs are illegal, i guess its a combination of factors. good point.
 
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Didn't find a lab - at the very most I bet they were just putting the acid onto blotters after buying it from elsewhere. LSD synthesis setups aren't small or dinky as they require some eqipment that other drug synthesis (rec drugs that is) don't require at all - a fuck-off sized chromatography column full of zeolite isn't going to be the easiest of things to move or hide at a moments notice and that's the sort of thing required if they were supplying 90 percent of the acid for an area with a population of tens of millions.

If you want to see what they should have found if their clain is true, look up Operation Julie/Richard Kemp - that was the biggest UK bust of a lab supplying a fair percentage of European (and some of the rest of the world) LSD in the 70's
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Yeah that's what I was saying. If they didn't find the lab, then whoopdy fucking doo. They bust some retailers, and the lab now has to find new ones. The game goes on as always.
 
Zagenth said:
Without busting the lab, they really haven't done anything.
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Yeah, they have.

They slowed distribution temporarily.

They wasted ridiculous man hours and money making their case, and will continue to do that through the trials.

Multiple lives will likely be ruined once they're done.




And this is all in the name of protecting us from ourselves!
 
As long as the lab was not busted the cops will have to find the new distribution networks, and then the next, and the next, and the next and the.......
 
I wonder whether the majority of DEA / narcotics cops truly believe they can significantly reduce drug use, or if they know their work is futile and just do it like anyone else does their job.
 
If drugs were to be legalized, there would be no more drug motivated assault & murder. :)
 
fastandbulbous said:
^ It'd be far better if the manpower wasted on drug enforcement was directed towards solving crimes that have victims & perpetrators (this includes drug motivated assault & murder)
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I agree, I'm sure everyone else here does, but what do you think of my question?


Coolio said:
If drugs were to be legalized, there would be no more drug motivated assault & murder. :)
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yyyyyup!! Although I will say I feel bad for 'collateral deaths/damage' from prohibition, things such as cars getting broken into, people getting mugged, I do not feel very bad about drug organizations getting hurt feuding with each other, as they're in a game which they know is outside the law, and they know what is involved. I don't feel even remotely as bad about a guy whose home got robbed for 4 kilos by a competitor as I do for a guy whose home got robbed for his tv by a crackhead.

Kind of like I was trying to express in the 'gang signs' thread, people involved understand what they're involved in, and choose to go for it. Live by the gun, die by the gun, you know?
 
this is just ridiculous.
im so sure theyve busted the kingpins here...
i wonder if they would eventually make a law...to like...well...if all the people here in the US that were sick of the fuckedup police country full of nazis "protecting us from ourselves" and just moved to canada and europe to escape this nazi fascist country, if they would make a law to prohibit us from leaving because were sick of the bullshit and want to have our own lives, and not be told what we can and cant put into our bodies.

most likely will never happen, but still...seeing shit like this about all these wasted taxpayers dollars and ruining some kids lives just to get their name in a paper really makes me want to just walk right up to bush, give him a mighty big "FUCK YOU!" and walk across the boarder to canada.
 
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