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Good luck with Rehab, Scotchy :)

F.U.B.A.R. said:
When you're ready to quit gear, you quit gear. Chucking loads of dosh at rehabs is not the way to do it (IMHO). If you're ready, you don't need rehab. I may be wrong, and sincerely hope I am for SMs sake as he seems like a lovely feller...
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breakcorefiend said:
I wholeheartedly agree with this, it's something you just do when you are ready to, I don't think it would work for me if I wasn't ready for it, I really do hope this works for SM though, best of luck mate! :)
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What I'm finding concerning is the way he was using because he won't be able to once he's in rehab. That, to me, spells "I have to do this n am making excuses to use" rather than "I want off all this now I've had enough" n starting to inject.

I shouldn't really be saying this when Scotchy's not here n I feel a hypocrite for doing so, so won't say no more on it. It's just something that worries me. I think it's great we're all here to support him n be there for him.

Evey
 
I think if there's one and perhaps only good thing that rehabilitation brings is detachment from people, settings, or things that could provoke a person to use. Other than that, I agree, the drive for abstinence has to come from within.

They mention doctors tailoring medication to each individual but they also mention they're against other substitution opioids. I'm hoping they give him something effective like pregabalin to combat the withdrawal...
 
baooozs said:
I think if there's one and perhaps only good thing that rehabilitation brings is detachment from people, settings, or things that could provoke a person to use. Other than that, I agree, the drive for abstinence has to come from within.
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Yeah that is true, and he said himself its time off work, change of scene and time for self reflection so hopefully that will give him some time to get his head around things and detox, whether he will keep to it when he is out is another thing, I really do hope he does though
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
When you're ready to quit gear, you quit gear. Chucking loads of dosh at rehabs is not the way to do it (IMHO). If you're ready, you don't need rehab. I may be wrong, and sincerely hope I am for SMs sake as he seems like a lovely feller...
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QFT!! When you're ready, your ready. And rehab is not going to make you ready. Can he leave if he wants or what? Just from the little I seen him post about it he even admits he doesn't properly feel reason. I went on subs for other people not because I wanted to I used the subs for 3 month and managed to get off them so was totally clean, for all of two weeks before I was back on it. That is because I wasn't ready and did it for others not myself. I know from personal experience though doing it for others doesn't work, not matter how much you love them just doesnt work like that, if it did I would still be clean.
 
I am not writing anyone of, if I am I hope he proves me totally wrong. Only from what he was saying about hisself maybe not being ready, and if you think your maybe not ready your more than likely not ready. Till you are your not gonna get clean. I do really wish you the best of luck SM.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
When you're ready to quit gear, you quit gear. Chucking loads of dosh at rehabs is not the way to do it (IMHO). If you're ready, you don't need rehab. I may be wrong, and sincerely hope I am for SMs sake as he seems like a lovely feller...
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I agree, but there is a lot of good stuff to be learnt in rehab imo.

I just went for putting this on myself this time in hope of reminding myself where I go with opiates.8(

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Haha, that's class!!


What about in 5 year though, say you have been away from the gear along time and you meet a bird what ya gonna do? I am not ashamed of the junkie tag, but we don't usually tell new partners about our past life's but your not gonna have that choice are ya lah.
 
Well if it's anyone I care about being with long term then I would have told them anyway. I wouldn't care to be in a serious relationship with anyone that would judge mefor an issue like addiction anyway.

Also, it's the 21st century, laser removal and all that (although apparently green doesn't come off...).
 
Red is THE MOST DIFFICULT n EXPENSIVE colour to have lasered off. Take it from someone who's been to Bolton (n then Quarry Bank, West Mids), at least 10 treatments in the hope of having a tattoo removed.
I ended up having a rose cover up.

Evey
 
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Belated but hopefully by the time you read this you will be feeling a lot better and have a lot to think about along with some new ways to think about what needs thinking about. Hope all went better than expected to whatever expectations were <3

F.U.B.A.R. said:
If only that was true...
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It can and does happen that way sometimes. I'd strongly suspect it requires a combination of personal desire for longterm change and some form of significant break whether that be in terms of inpatient detox and/or rehab, taking yourself away from your usual setting for (at least) a couple weeks or maybe even locking yourself in for a fortnight with enough supplies for there to be no need to go out and deal with the world for a while.

The personal desire is obviously the most vital aspect - and I'd agree nobody will ever quit without that being in place - but I do believe a change of scene and some time away from the people and places strongly associated with the daily addict routine really helps too. Is the combination that (more or less) worked to deal with my own reasonably lengthy (12 years) and reasonably heavy (fuckloads) period of heroin and crack addiction. My final binge lasted approximately three weeks and often ran at several hundred pounds a day. Looking at that alone it perhaps wouldn't seem like I was truly ready to quit - and I wasn't entirely sure I was either in all honesty having been through so many cycles of detox and relapse. I've used heroin and crack a handful of times since - all one-off uses.

I do still recognise addict patterns of thinking and behaviour in myself though so am hoping to gain an inpatient rehab placement before the end of the year as I feel it will help to shake off the fag end of a quarter century or so of generalised addiction issues (yes I quit heroin and crack but oranges are not the only fruit as it were...). Unfortunately there's likely to be quite a wait as I believe my local health authority only funds four placements per year and, also, I've ruled out 12 Step-based programmes. This mostly leaves SMART Recovery-based programmes but there are considerably less of them unfortunately (which is ridiculous as it is at least an evidence not faith-based system). Am attendiing the local SMART meetings in the meantime and it feels like I may be absorbing things osmotically if not really very actively so far.

Hmm... no, I'm not sure there was enough point to justify length of ramble either but such is the way of ramblings I suppose.
 
Here's the UK version of their website if you're interested, Evey. It's based on CBT and various other psychological methods so may suit you with your existing interest in psychology. It has similarities to 12 Step but none of the religious stuff and none of the guilt tripping and powerlessness. Quite the opposite in fact as it puts the person at the centre of there own recovery with all the power their for the taking if the various "tools" are applied succesfully. That's the idea anyway - I'm still quite new to it but have enjoyed it more than I expected to so far and intend to stick with it. Especially as there is no insistence on abstinence - the individual sets their own long and short term goals to fit with whatever it is they personally are wanting to achieve.
 
Is that the one with forums? I signed up to that awhile back, before I came to BL I think. It's a CBT approach I just haven't been as I thought others needed the service more. Thanks i'll look to see if its the same one. I can't be doing with 12-steps n I've never even been - just seeing how people are in those types of forums is enough. A member of my recovery group is a 12-stepper n is lovely but she diesn't try forcing it on anyone. I just don't believe in this having to astain from everything as that isn't for everyone :)

Edit are you just going to the meetings or do you see someone 1 to 1 based on SMART? One of my online friends did SMART I'll try getting in touch on Facebook see if I can get her to come on here (she's already a member).

Evey
 
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Eveyvibe said:
... I just haven't been as I thought others needed the service more.
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No need to worry about that as it's group work and is run by volunteers (I believe they usually "pass the hat" at the end of a session to cover the cost of tea and biccies, on the plus side they provide tea and biccies, and nobody is obliged to contribute obviously). The more the merrier really as it means more people to share experiences with and more heads together to chime in with ideas and support as/when required and so forth. I'm sure they'd be very pleased to see you :)

You may also be interested to know that one of the girls who attends my local group counts codeine as one of the substances she has issues with - there is no dicksizing of who has taken more or stronger substances. It is very much a self-help kinda deal only in the setting of a wider support network of people in the same boat one way or another and seems to be a bit more structured than 12 Steps to me (as in you take courses, complete exercises and work to (self-set) goals - there's also the sharing experiences and just chatting 'bout stuff aspect but that's not always the main focus from what I've seen so far).
 
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