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TDS Going to be Hurtin for the 1st time -Coming off Heroin

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hockey4life

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Hi guys/ girls this is my first post! Just wanted to say I have been an avid reader of this awesome site for the last 5 years or so! The advice and positive non-judgmental atmosphere is very nice! I'm a 24 year old male!

Recently, in May I tried heroin for the first time. My previous opiate experience had been with codeine, hydrocodone, and oxycodone. The codeine and hydrocodone never provided me with a "high" but the oxys hit the spot. I was doing the blue 30mg oxycodone ir pills for the last year. However I would only need to take one pill orally on an empty stomach and I would never get high more than once every two weeks.

In May, I lost my oxy connect, and one of my good friends who is also a heroin addict was able to get me a bag of heroin for a fraction of the price of one pill. The first couple times I tried heroin i sniffed a small line and was disappointed, it just felt like a weak oxy high and I just felt heavy and numb. However, the fourth time I tried H, I dosed a slightly larger amount all at once compared to the other few times where I spaced out the lines... Needless, to say within 5 minutes I felt <really good> that blew oxy out of the water lol! i started doing H once a week, but found myself counting down to my using day which was Wednesday. I would wake up Thursday morning thinking, "only 6 more days till I can do heroin!" Friday would be ,"only 5 more days till Wednesday!" etc... When Wednesday came I would be extremely happy as soon as I woke up knowing I would be getting high that night and would be feeling THE BEST FEELING IN THE WORLD! This pattern continued for a good month.

As the summer progressed into June and July I began using more sporadically, and more often such as 2-3 times a week sometimes these days would be all in a row. The cravings for heroin were becoming stronger and stronger on my off days, and every time I broke a new rule such as using more than two nights in a row, i would justify it and it would keep progressing... My previous hobbies such as going to the gym, or playing sports, took a backseat in my life and seemed dull and boring. As all of this was happening I started realizing that the high from heroin was becoming shorter and shorter while at the same time I was railing larger and larger amounts of east coast powder up my nose.

By August, this pattern took another downward spiral and I found myself now getting high 4-5 times a week and i was now using many nights in a row. For example, get high 5 nights in a row, take a day off (felt bored, depressed, craved heroin but felt fine physically no signs of withdrawal), binge for another 4-5 days, take a day off, repeat.... The depression seemed to be building the more I used and had been getting stronger on my off days.

Fast forward to the end of September, 4 months after first trying heroin and I have now completely caved in :( Since 9/25/13 i have been snorting heroin everyday anywhere's from 1-4 bags a day. As the weeks went by I kept rationalizing and coming up with these STUPID reasons to use saying,"just a few more bags, I'll stop after Halloween, I got a nice paycheck let's have some fun, I'll stop next week, next week blah blah blah etc."

Here I am right now guys 11 weeks into this binge and i'm now scared to stop this... I have NEVER been sick off opiates before. Even though I heavily suspect I am dependent on heroin I have no idea what to expect since I have not gone more than 16 hours without snorting heroin since September 25!!! My friends all say that day 2 and 3 will be hell on earth and that 16 hours is nothing and not enough time to experience withdrawal. I have a new job starting Monday so I have about 3-4 days to get through the worst of this detox. I don't want to be dependent on a drug at work where I will eventually be suffering withdrawals if I don't have it in me before I go to work!

I got 2 bags of H today. I did half a bag this morning caught a nice buzz and enjoyed a coffee lol, and I'm about to do the other 1.5 bags now <snip>:) After this my goal is to take at least a few weeks off! I have tomorrow off and the weekend off to suffer through this before I start work on Monday!

I will keep u guys posted, I'm just looking for advice/support/opinions/suggestions anything really feel free :)

Thanks, you guys/girls are the best

-hockey4life
 
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Hey hockey and welcome to BlueLight=D We have a couple of things in common I think.. I love hockey and i used to think I loved opiates. Often withdrawl is allot dependent on how bad we think its going o be. It often isn't that bad. Its important to remeber that its only temporary. There are some medications that can help a great deal.
The medications I would explore the use of fror detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..
one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE<
OR >Lyrica<
OR >Phenibut<
>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol

Addiction Guide
The-Brain-and-Addiction-(under-construction)

You can do this and its not going to be as bad as you think:)
 
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Pigpen1968, thanks for the advice. I will def take hot baths when I begin to feel uncomfortable, sounds like a good idea. As far as jacking off i don't know if I'm going to have the energy for that but I bet it would def distract me lol. And I don't plan on taking any opiates. The first reason, is that I noticed that since doing H, it seemed to have "ruined" my tolerance to other opiates. I recently ran into my old oxy connect a week ago and got four of the blue 30mg A215 oxys. I popped all four on an empty stomach which was 120mg and did not feel anything at all. Sucks lol! One pill used to give me a great high for 4 hours, now 4 pills does nothing, its pretty annoying. Since it had been 7 months since I had touched oxy, I'm 100% certain the H has caused this huge tolerance jump. Secondly, I feel that taking any opiates during this break will only set me back.

Captain Heroin- Your posts and stories have always been an inspiration to me! I remember when I first start playing with H I read up on everything you said, about how to use it safely and spacing out doses over at least a week, but a month(s) was even better to avoid dependence, and also how the addiction creeps up on everyone. I seem to be a perfect example as my usage slowly increased over a 4 month period. I def don't expect it to be fun at all, although I'm going to go into this with a positive attitude and pretending that I haven't been using for the last few months. I have never taken Suboxone or Methadone and I don't ever plan to. I am not using any benzos,tapering off lighter opiates, or any other drugs. I am doing this 100% COLD TURKEY with the exception of maybe a couple beers before I go to bed at night!

Neversickanymore- Thanks for the advice! It means a lot! I heard that those items help significantly with the acute withdrawal! I may end up taking the Tylenol if it gets bad, but as I was telling Captain since this is my VERY FIRST TIME EVER detoxing off opiates I’m going to try and ride this out cold turkey and see where I end up in a few days :) And yes you just described me well! I love hockey and have actively played for about 17 years. Unfortunately, around the same time I stopped playing due to being in college with all the schoolwork along with working a part time job, I started playing with the opiates. I have heard and witnessed first-hand many horror stories through close friends who have battled heroin and oxys for years way before I even really got into them. But you probably know how it goes, “I thought I was different, I had the, it’s not going to happen to me, it's just a tiny little pill, it's not going to get out of control” attitude lol just like every other good human being in this world thinks. I agree that having a good mindset should make a difference in this experience! Thanks again for the kind words and advice, it means so much


As of right now I finished the 1.5 bags of H at 6:30pm, it is now 9:23pm. i'm still feeling high, but the best part of my high always wears off after the first hour or so (used to be 2.5-3 hours when I first start doing H!). I'm probably going to bed soon and really going to enjoy this night's sleep since this may very well be the last night that I can comfortably sleep for awhile since i have H in my system. I know I can do this, and I'm going to give an honest 110% effort in the next 2-3 days. As mentioned earlier, the goal here is to take a solid 2 week break. I never planned on fully quitting, I just want to take some time off for my own well being and lower my tolerance, and most importantly prove to myself that I don't need H everyday to be happy. I was fine for 23 years without it, I can certainly be fine again without it!

Thanks to everyone who has read my thread and offered advice so far, I will keep the updates coming :)

- Hockey4life
 
I would at least research where you can find the phenibut as I'm thinking your going to want it. I love the attitude though. Give her hell. after you get clean I would suggest that you get back into a no check league or something as exercise is a powerful weapon against addiction. Just a little heads up, getting clean is the easy part.. staying there is what's hard. Give it hell then hockey:)

Oh and take a look at the addiction guide I linked you as the cycle of addiction will give you a good road map as to how your life will progress until you figure this out.
 
Neversickanymore- Ya I think I will def find out where I can get the phenibut if I need it, and I do have access to a benzo (Xanax) from my oxy connect if I start feeling desperate. I thought about it and I agree with you! The last thing I'm going to want to do is search/look for those items if I'm real sick/hurting and decide I want them lol! I'm def going to look into it while I still feel normal right now! And ya I definately plan on joining a league and lacing up the good old skates again! I miss playing hockey and just general exercise which I kind of just stopped as my H use progressed this summer into the fall.

As crazy as this sounds, I want to take at least two weeks off from H, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to fully give it up yet forever. Honestly, in a perfect world i would like to just be able to play in a hockey league, hold down a job which I already have, meet a girl to enjoy life with, and just chip H once every week or two weeks. With this usage pattern, I can't see any negative side effects if I could keep it to ONLY ONE SINGLE HIGH a week or every two weeks! Sort of like when I first dabbled with it in May and the oxys before that. Like I said I know that it sounds insane, but I've been wondering if it would ever be possible for H to compliment my life, like drinking a few beers on a Friday night, and not take over it like it has begun to this fall. I figure the more activities and joys I have going in my life to keep me occupied, H won't be my sole focus for pleasure and I won't care/think about it as much. But i'm not even thinking about that right now! I have a way bigger much more important challenge ahead of me that I just started 4 hours ago now!

As of right now, I'm dedicated to get clean these next 2+ weeks to prove to myself that I don't NEED this drug. Hey maybe after the 14 days, I will be like, "Why did I waste all my time,money, and energy on this crap!!"

Thanks for the support :)

-hockey4life
 
It wont be that bad, just know the longer you continue to use the worse the withdrawals will be.

Withdrawal works similar to a progressive disease in a lot of people. (esp. the depression and anxiety aspect of WD)

good luck.
 
I think that what you are thinking of trying to do is really hard with opiates.. If it were easy like that we all would be doing this.. unfortuantley thats just not how it works. For some people abstinace from all drugs is the only way, others can use certian drugs.. but really none of us can use the drugs we are addcited to with out having it take a greater and greater tole in our lives. yeah we can use them for a bit, but then we loose the control. It ususally takes people a putting then selfs in the sin bin a few times before they accept this.. the thing is that addcition isn't the physical dependence that you will sonn batle its the reason you developed the physical dependence in the fisrt place. Every addict in the world would love to use one or two days a week.. just doesnt work that way right now.. maybe in the future they will come up with a chemical that will allow us to do this, but as of right now we are stuck in reality. Good to have you here on Blue Light. And yeah your going to find that exercise will become your new best freind again.. but dont do it in acutes as it will increase your adrenal response and this will make things fell even worse.. also even though your going to feel rough.. get up and do shit.. it actually makes you feel a little better and kepping your mind off the craving and how poor your going to fell can be a big help. Since this is your first time you may get off pretty easy.. just be aware that if you slip and have to detox it progressivly get worse.

Since you are doing good right now you may also want to look these over. When we are throught the tunnel of the acute withdrawl we generally feel great for about two and a half days then the paws kick in and the real battle starts.

Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki
EXERCISE AND MOOD

Please read through this and get a fore check planned out cause not being prepared for this can feel like playing two men down against a real strong team;)
 
I'm surprised everyone is coddling you . Why quit for 2 weeks if you plan on starting to use again . That's absurd . From what I can see with the justifying of your use along with feeling like shit emotionally on the days you weren't getting high . You're a fucking addict . I'd say man up and do your best to put it down for good , or accept you're in for a miserable future until you realize you're an addict , and "chipping" isn't going to work out for you . Don't tell me you'll "Never start shooting it either" . If only I had a dollar for every time I heard somebody say that . However I'd love for you to prove me wrong , and show everyone and yourself , that *You're* the exception of someone who can live happily and recreationally use heroin .

As for the withdrawals ? By day 4 you'll still be feeling pretty shitty , but atleast it'll be an improvement from day 2 and 3 ( usually , depending on your metabolism) Drink a shitload of water , eat healthy, and imo do some light stretching . Even just sitting on your floor doing toe touches in a hoodie under a blanket. It will help feeling stiff and muscle soreness. Good luck I hope the job goes well!
 
Zerrr- I have heard that a lot lately and am using it as motivation to take advantage of this detox! Thanks for the support!

Quantz- I appreciate the advice, I understand what your saying. If I make it two weeks, I'm starting to wonder if it would even be worth it to try this whole "chipping" thing. Even if I limit my use down the road to once a week/two weeks I may very well just restart the cycle that got me here, or at the very least have the strong cravings that I experienced in the beginning which also got me here. Also, if I lose control again I have heard through members here along with friends that each withdrawal becomes more intense/harder to kick as time goes on which I never want to experience. And as far as the "never start shooting" thing that's kind of what lead me to stop. I was actually starting to consider shooting H and was reading all sort of forums on here for hours on how to hit myself. My reasoning was to save money and get a better high with a rush off half the amount of dope I was sniffing. Then I ultimately decided not to because I was scared I would miss the shot and start having marks all over my arms making my addiction more obvious to my family. Thanks for the advice on the stretching, and healthy diet. Will do!

neversickanymore- I agree that the mental battle is going to be very tough. I read the info on PAWS last night and I now understand that it is normal to feel depressed/lack of energy for awhile after the initial physical detox. I also understand that chipping just doesn't happen with opiates!


As of right now it' about 9:30am, I'm 15 hours in. The H has obviously worn off from last night. Right now I still feel alright physically but mentally I'm starting to feel a little nervous. Usually, when I have a few bags by my bed when I wake up, I jump out of bed in a great mood! However, when I have nothing I get this edgy feeling just knowing, "I can't get high if I wanted to." I then usually jump into my car pick up some bags and am feeling great on the way home just knowing I have it. It's strange because if I have it on me, I don't even get nervous or edgy, and can easily go 12-14 hours without it if that makes any sense! But if I don't have it, I get a pretty uncomfortable feeling. Like right now, my mind keeps repeating itself like a broken record player saying, "just grab a few more bags today, and just stop tomorrow!"

Will keep posted in a few hours, Thanks everyone for the advice :)

-hockey4life
 
Just a quick update. Right now it's 1pm... I'm 18.5 hours into this, I feel slightly better because I had a small mental victory this morning shortly after my last post around 9:30am. I was almost going to run out and get 2-3 bags but decided not to.

Unfortunately my H connect is also a friend who uses, but lives about an hour away which means it's about 2 hours round trip usually if I get some. I'm working from 3-7pm with my dad today, helping him out with a family owned business. I have copped several times before working with my dad on Fridays, but I have to hit the road early in the day before 12pm in order to get back in time to work, with the rush hour and holiday traffic. The fact that it's now 1pm means that I don't have enough time to score and drive to work EVEN IF I WANTED TO... By the time I leave work tonight I should be at 24.5 hours if I don't do anything stupid...

So far I feel pretty much the same as this morning. No physical withdrawals yet, just a mental craving that actually temporarily somewhat went away knowing I don't have enough time to get the bags, and that it's out of the question now. So today feels very similar to the non-using in days in August and the beginning of September... Just some cravings, and boredom nothing to bad, and no physical withdrawals yet.

-hockey4life
 
Hey guys, bad news.... I don't even have to say anything, you already probably know. I made it 27 hours then caved and got a bag and did it at 9:30pm :(. I felt so guilty and like a complete loser driving to my friend’s house to get it... What makes it worse is that my friend who I get it from asked if I could give them a ride to pick up some more H since tomorrow where I live there is expected to be a blizzard, and their car has been overheating/ isn't reliable. Basically he offered me money or a free 1.5 bags of H, on top of the bag I had got. I stupidly took the H. I couldn't resist since it was free :(. My other friend who is an IV H addict with a habit 10x as much as mine tried to comfort me saying, "hey dude, don't give up on yourself it's tough I tried to quit the other day and only made it 22 hours and wanted to kill myself, hang in there you will eventually beat this."

I feel like a piece of fucking shit. I hate myself for caving in. Also, at the 27 hour mark, I wasn't even that sick, I just had a runny nose, was beginning to sneeze 2-3 times in a row every 45 minutes, along with watery eyes and just a rundown feeling kind of like when you feel like you’re getting a cold. It basically felt like I was getting a head cold. Those were my only physical symptoms besides the normal mental ones which are cravings to use, boredom, and mild depression. I feel so guilty.

I'm a fucking pussy guys, I have friends that have kicked for months at a time from WAY WORSE IV habits than mine. I don't even shoot. I sniff which is even more pathetic that I caved in, there is no excuse. I'm a complete weak bitch... I'm so frustrated and pissed off at myself. The only good thing I can think of is that I made it 9 hours more than I have in the last 11 weeks... still pathetic.

Neversickanymore - I give you all the credit in the world for stopping. Your ways stronger than me and you have a tremendous amount of willpower and determination something I seem to be lacking at the moment. I have a great amount of respect for you and other opiate addicts on this site that have regained control and have stopped using opiates. But I'm not giving up. I'm going to keep plugging away at this and simply try again.

I'm going to keep giving updates. Honestly guys, I was so embarrassed about this I felt like just deleting my account which I'm not going to do now lol. I didn't even want to tell everyone this but honesty is something I value, and I'm being true to myself even though it sucks typing this. I'm going to continue trying and will post updates. Obviously, I'm probably going to use the rest tomorrow and try once again. It sucks that I reset the clock and could have already been on day 2 tomorrow if I didn't fuck up tonight. Oh well I’m not giving up and can only look forward now.

-hockey4life
 
Throw all the guilt and shame out the window and drive, swim, skip, skate, dance, half way around the world. It doesn't ever do us any good and drives use and makes us feel like loosers which we aren't.

So many amazing people have struggled with addiction here is a good thread has has a bunch of them in it.. This thread I in Drug Culture and it can be triggering...

Who is your favorite drug addict(s) and/or user(s) of all time?

I think the first step to making progress on an addiction is to make your recovery the number one thing in your life.. if you do all the other things you are tempted to say are more important just seem to take care of themselves to a large degree. This shit is complex and hard, but fully possible;)
 
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Hey guys, bad news.... I don't even have to say anything, you already probably know. I made it 27 hours then caved and got a bag and did it at 9:30pm :(. I felt so guilty and like a complete loser driving to my friend’s house to get it... What makes it worse is that my friend who I get it from asked if I could give them a ride to pick up some more H since tomorrow where I live there is expected to be a blizzard, and their car has been overheating/ isn't reliable. Basically he offered me money or a free 1.5 bags of H, on top of the bag I had got. I stupidly took the H. I couldn't resist since it was free :(. My other friend who is an IV H addict with a habit 10x as much as mine tried to comfort me saying, "hey dude, don't give up on yourself it's tough I tried to quit the other day and only made it 22 hours and wanted to kill myself, hang in there you will eventually beat this."

I feel like a piece of fucking shit. I hate myself for caving in. Also, at the 27 hour mark, I wasn't even that sick, I just had a runny nose, was beginning to sneeze 2-3 times in a row every 45 minutes, along with watery eyes and just a rundown feeling kind of like when you feel like you’re getting a cold. It basically felt like I was getting a head cold. Those were my only physical symptoms besides the normal mental ones which are cravings to use, boredom, and mild depression. I feel so guilty.

I'm a fucking pussy guys, I have friends that have kicked for months at a time from WAY WORSE IV habits than mine. I don't even shoot. I sniff which is even more pathetic that I caved in, there is no excuse. I'm a complete weak bitch... I'm so frustrated and pissed off at myself. The only good thing I can think of is that I made it 9 hours more than I have in the last 11 weeks... still pathetic.

Neversickanymore - I give you all the credit in the world for stopping. Your ways stronger than me and you have a tremendous amount of willpower and determination something I seem to be lacking at the moment. I have a great amount of respect for you and other opiate addicts on this site that have regained control and have stopped using opiates. But I'm not giving up. I'm going to keep plugging away at this and simply try again.

I'm going to keep giving updates. Honestly guys, I was so embarrassed about this I felt like just deleting my account which I'm not going to do now lol. I didn't even want to tell everyone this but honesty is something I value, and I'm being true to myself even though it sucks typing this. I'm going to continue trying and will post updates. Obviously, I'm probably going to use the rest tomorrow and try once again. It sucks that I reset the clock and could have already been on day 2 tomorrow if I didn't fuck up tonight. Oh well I’m not giving up and can only look forward now.

-hockey4life
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as i was reading your posts i knew you wouldn't make it past 48 hours.. you need to stop justifying any kind of use..

and you know that feeling when you dont have any on you, thats what addiction does/is man and im the same, if i dont have a box of pods or oxy or dilaudid on me i would get anxiety and would just be thinking how i could get some. To give you an idea of whats in store for you i decided to quit jan 1st after 2 years of use and lasted 12-13 days(delirious hell). Since then i have stopped 8-9 times from 2 days to 12 days and am currently 9 days clean and just 30 mins ago i was thinking about going to get an oxy.. its a fuckin battle man.
 
Hazard6 - Thanks man for the response! You’re totally right about the justifying use. That's been killing me for the last 5-6 weeks in this binge. I can't even begin to tell you man, how many times I've had a few bags on me, told myself, “I’ll just binge, do these all at once, get a great long high, end with a bang, and take a nice break." Fast forward 12 hours to the next morning and I'm left with no opiates and have the anxiety/ uncomfortable feeling building as soon as I wake up! Then I run out the door, saying "I'm going to pick up 2-3 bags just one more time, then take a break." This cycle has been repeating itself since early October; it's a very horrible/guilty feeling.

Wow man, congrats on making it 9 days! That's awesome considering you have a habit that is about 8 times the using length of mine (I've been using daily for a little under 3 months, which is NOTHING, compared to 2 YEARS of use like you.) You obviously have a great deal of willpower being 9 days off the ops. Honestly, to me right now, 9 days feels like a year lol and here I am with this tiny little barely even what I would call a habit struggling to make it just a few days! I consider you a fucking champion dude; you give me inspiration that I can do this! I hope you don't run out and get an oxy, because the guilt is just horrible. I felt like a piece of shit last night. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about, just dazing off at your phone for thinking, "Should I make the call/text, staring at the number, typing a text message out, staring at the SEND button, then deleting it 20 minutes later" etc it really sucks!

It's funny to man because EVERY time I get high now, everything seems so clear as far as stopping, and just doing it. Every time I feel the rush of H after a minute (insullfated) I think in my head, "You got to stop this, you really have to take a break/quit, this is a piece of cake." It seems so easy when I'm lost in the high and then it wears off and those thoughts seem to vanish!

Thanks again for the support/comments dude! It means a ton to me, hearing from others who are battling this same addiction that is very unforgiving and hard to understand unless you have been there!

Neversickanymore- Thanks for the advice on moving on from last night. I plan on starting over today relatively soon. I have some family over my house right now (grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins) so I plan on finishing the free H and trying once again as soon as they leave! I don't want them to know. Last time I showed up at a family party high, many people could tell I looked different. My grandmother who is 80 even said to me instantly, " You look extremely tired right now, are you sure your all right?" And my uncle said an hour later, "Hey are you alright, your eyes look funny and you just seem kind of dopey." I started getting very paranoid, I thought no one besides us users/abusers would be able to tell lol guess not. It seems pretty obvious that being intoxicated on opiates is easier to pick up on than I thought.

Will be back in a few hours, hope everyone is having a good day!

-hockey4life
 
Alright, I once again finished the rest of the H at 4:20pm. I didn't even intend on that time, just happened to be it lol. Here I go again. I feel more prepared on what to expect, this time with the cravings, and physical effects. I assume and am 99.9% sure that the "head cold" type feeling was from my cessation of H the other day. I am ready for it :).

As of right now I'm feeling higher than usual considering I had a pretty heavy fix.

Just a summary for anyone who's reading this thread for the first time. I have dabbled in opiates for awhile particularly oxycodone. Found heroin in early May and never looked back. I managed to chip it for about 5 weeks, at once a week on Wednesday nights. Over the summer my use slowly progressed. Since September 25, Wednesday 2013 I caved and have been using daily, never going more than 16 hours without a fix for just under 3 months. I attempted to quit cold turkey for the first time ever on Thursday (12/12/13) at 6:30pm... Made it 27 hours and caved on Friday night (last night) at 9:30pm. Made it 11 hours longer than I had since 9/25, still quite pathetic and disappointed in myself.

Here I am now trying once again to cold turkey this for the second time.

Only 3 hours in, obviously feeling great right now. The real battle waits in 24 hours where I will be exactly at the point where I caved in last night. All I have to say is BRING IT ON ;)

-hockey4life
 
Yo man quit while your ahead, your daily dope use isnt that bad and your kick right now is honestly going to be really damn easy compared to what it will be if you keep at it. And I dont mean to be an asshole when saying this but i remember back when i used to try and kick and cave cuz i thought i was sick and granted i was in mild withdrawal but then one day i ACTUALLY got sick. Basically man, its nearly impossible for me to be clean these days, only reason i am now is cause i kicked a 2+ gram IV habit cold turkey in jail, which lasted about 9 days. Im trying to give you some tough love and say suck it up while your habit is mild because eventually youll be wishing your withdrawals are what they are now instead of what they will be in the future if you keep up what your doing.
 
those are the first symptoms for me to, then the pain and restlessness sets in and you lose your appetite and cant sleep. im about 10 days and i only got 3 hours of sleep last night and have eaten like a couple thousands calories for past 3 days lol(this is mostly from 1 litre of dark brown pod tea a day which is pretty much time release heroin so yours wont last nearly as long as mine). eyes and nose start to fuckin pour as well. its also easy to say all that stuff when your high as a kite lol.

gl you got the right attitude just keep at it. and it is possible to use opiates again at least 3 months down the road but only hydro or like a line of oxy at a party or something, just never heroin again.
 
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