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Opioids going into withdrawal repeatedly

Hammilton

Hammilton

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How do you guys maintain on short acting opiates? I have almost always been on long acting ones, first it was poppies then methadone then fentanyl patches then back to methadone to Suboxone a couple times, probably been on subs longer than anything. However, I recently decided to get off subs and switched to kratom. However, I don't know how you guys using heroin or even vicodin and oxy deal with this. I find that I'm in withdrawal three times a day! I'm trying to just use it twice a day, to tough it out, but damn, this gets rough at times.

Will it get better if I stick to two times daily dosing the longer I've been without subs or is this going to be life on ketum?
 
I personally was really irritated of the ups and down of an oxy addiction. i dosed every 6 hours of the day 20mg orally. The first two hours where nice then 2 hours of plateau and the last two hours where a pain in the ass! I could get by with this, because i could also rail 2 x 5mg oxy ir per day in those last two hours. But from a practical point of view, i was way too often withdrawing and too demotivated to do anything useful. All the time i was in this mind pattern like: " You can do X after the next pill is working, because right now you feel too bad!" I am glad i came of quick and easy.
 
I always wondered this too, when I was a poppy fiend. Even missing a day wasnt too big a drama for me, usually.

The life of a street heroin addict (in this day and age) must be incredibly painful, waking up sick and so fourth. Espwcially
So glad I got out.for people living in my part of the world, where the stuff is super expensive.
 
When I was on Methadone (and a very high dose) I woke up partially sick every morning, maybe 20% dope-sick. Missing a day was hell. Now I'm on Suboxone, and I wake up sick. In fact, if I don't go to bed early enough I won't sleep due to insomnia aggravated by the onset of early WDs.

As a Heroin user, smoking, sniffing or slamming, I always needed a fix 3-4 times a day, it was a pain. And on Oxy when I was dosing 3-4 40mg OC a day for several years I'd have to dose in the morning and then mandatory dose at night if I wanted to function or sleep.

If I was a car Opiates would be my gasoline, and I'd be a fucking Hummer. I do not understand why my body requires so much and spits it out so quick.
 
I used various poppy preparations for years and virtually never got sick - unless I ran out of supplies, or events conspired against me.
I feel for you guys - addiction is a powerful bitch, and to spend so much of your time in WD; no wonder the stereotype of addicts is malnourished and desperate. Doesn't need to be that way.
 
I was on 300mg of oxy a day for a month leading up to that were the addiction stages ever increasing to that 300mg a day point... It ruined my life, I became a junkie straight up and down, buying tar or #4, I much preferred the #4. I would wake up feeling like shit every day until someone introduced me to suboxone, I moved to an area where they were practically free... I had been addicted to opioids/opiates since 2010... I am finally roughly 9 days clean and I feel like I'm kicking this addictions ass..... I jumped off suboxone at a very low dose .25mg to .5mg.. I also relapsed last week from 600mg of oxycodone from my DR. otherwise I'd be clean for 3 weeks.... Do your best guys to taper that bitch and just jump off.. Sure it's going to be shitty, but we all know of ways to make it easier and you're going to be glad you did...

Stay safe, stay informed.
 
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Thanks; I wish I had made the decision to do this years ago, but I guess with all that bupe for free why stop yet? Addiction is a disease and even after I am clean this isn't over.. I just know now that I don't want to be addicted to painkillers at any other point in my life.
 
Thankfully I have never really had a consistent source for prescription opiates. I did have a source for the new extended release Oxycontins at one point, or Oxyneos as I believe the name had been changed to here in Canada, but even then an 80mg pill of that never had me feeling as good as two 5mg percs would, so I just deleted that contact, and that was a few years ago as well. Otherwise, I've used and abused poppyseed tea and T1's with codeine at times before, but the T1's have 15mgs of caffeine in them each, with only 8mgs of codeine, so even after cold water extracting them, I could really only dose maybe 120mgs or 15 of them without the caffeine completely ruining the high. And tolerance would build quick enough that using them for multiple consecutive days just wasn't worth it, because the caffeine definitely dulled the high and after a day or two, the caffeine would be the most prominent effect. And with poppy seed tea, I do have a store close by that sells seeds that leave quite the bitter taste after doing a wash with them, and definitely had prominent opiate effects, actually making me throw up during one experience before, which is unusual for me because I almost never throw up, not even when I drink a 26 ouncer of 40% alcohol in a night, but I found there was a clear presence of thebaine and at times the tea actually left me feeling anxious and kind of stimulated/uncomfortable. Also, the few times I did consume it for time periods of a week or so daily, I found I would already experience withdrawal symptoms around 48 hours following my last dose, that left me feeling like shit for at least 5 days. That alone made me just kind of stop. I can't imagine the withdrawals for a daily opiate habit that lasts for several months or even years.
 
I do like a bundle or more up the snozz around 1pm everyday and I'm good till then the next day sometimes I'll do 1-2 bags later just cus but I won't b sick I guess I'm lucky
 
How do you deal with the withdrawal aspect of opiates with short half-lives? Ha. Pretty simple... use more often..

Heroin users have to redose multiple times a day. That's just how it is. You just do it.
 
Long term prescription opiate user here, short acting opiates, withdrawal multiple times daily, nightly, eventually leading me to massive tolerance, waking up in blind panic with heart thumping dope sickness and in terrible pain and unable to sleep more than a few hours without redosing. Increasing loss of function - and that's with a steady sure-fire supply.

You're on a road to hell. These short acting opiates are slow, torturous suicide. This will get you by the balls if you don't arrest it NOW. Tomorrow never comes, then it's game over.

Start tapering ASAP or you are royally fucked. PM me if you want to chat.
 
Hammlton-

I switched from suboxone to Kratom 2.5 years ago. At first it was great....I had to dose 3 times a day however. Then 4. Then 5. Then 6. Been at 6 for too long...every 4 hours 8g of plain leaf. It is good and cheap maintenance but is surprisingly hard to kick at these levels. The opioid aspect of it is comparable to a mid/high level pharm habit and is barely tolerable, but there is a crazy anxiety/lethargy/anhedonia aspect to Kratom withdrawals that is entirely unique. Lot of mixed actions in all those alkaloids!

The opioid part of withdrawal lasts longer than it should...short half life of actives, but the acutes last over a week. The secondary antidepressant like withdrawal lasts for ages....don't know exactly as I haven't made it that far!

I'd really try limiting your use to 3 x a day. It just escalates fast otherwise...
 
When I got great powder and BTH from the mexican Cartels in Myrtle Beach, once a day fix was all I needed.. Of course I would wake up sick but nowhere near as sick as it would be a few hours after I woke up.... It was a cycle of getting up, shooting up and going to bed to do it all over again.. I am now 10-11 days clean and it feels great... I'd be clean for a month but I relapsed on oxycodone given to my by a DR for legit pain.. I was attacked in a warzone, idiot insurgent hit my shoulder instead of my head.. Alshar Ali Kabaar is now dead.

Mr.Scagnattie said:
How do you deal with the withdrawal aspect of opiates with short half-lives? Ha. Pretty simple... use more often..

Heroin users have to redose multiple times a day. That's just how it is. You just do it.
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Will it get better if I stick to two times daily...
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yes, it will.

between now and then, it's gonna be rough.

but if you manage to stick with it you'll eventually "stabilize."

you'll still go into withdrawals if you miss your 2nd dose, though.

on the bright side, when you do eventually "stabilize" it will likely be a shorter overall withdrawal duration.
 
BTH def lasts longer.. If you ask me diacetlymorphine has legs... It crosses the BBB and than turns into morphine and 6-MAM....

spacejunk said:
Do you think the other opium alkaloids in BTH give it a longer half-life?
Or is the raw opium content of tar something of a myth?
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It can be a pain, no doubt about that. I use to only sleep around 5 hours a night when I was addicted to oxycodone. Simply because I needed at a minimum 2 hours to elapse after my last dose to sleep, usually more like 3+. But I also was sick after around 8 hours so after ~5 hours of sleep I would wake up too sick to fall back to sleep. When I switched to heroin I found it much easier to get a full nights rest because it didn't prevent me from falling asleep like oxy did. But I still would never sleep past 8 hours because I would wake up and rather get up and feel better than lie in bed feeling like crap and trying to fall back to sleep. Benzos fix this problem, of course, but I am not into taking them every night. Diphenhydramine worked, too. But I hate how groggy I am when I wake up after taking it.
 
First I'll give you guys a couple secrets about OC or suboxone WD. First get you some milk of magnesia, it's a life saver. When your stomach starts to cramp up In WD 55% of it is cause your backed up from the pills and need to shit. The milk of magnesia is a fast acting cramp realiver, and laxitave. 2nd get some advill it helps with body achs and such. 3rd if you can get it try to find some ADHD meds believe it or not it helps with the sweats & shakes. But if your WD for Oxys or perks I would HIGHLY suggest getting some suboxone as long ass you only do them for the first week or 2, But no more than that. But they almost take away 85% of your oxy WD. But if your coming off suboxone (which I hear is the worse) just use the 3 steps above and get some Oxys or perks they should helps a lot. But the main thing is to stay strong and remember all the pain they cause like $, family, friends. There just plain not worth it I'd rather go thru the WD pains and get it over with then just keep putting it off & saying the famous line " This will be my last time taking these things" cause it won't if you keep sayin that. I understand it's terrible I was addicted to perks for 3 years at around 40mg a day. Which isn't harder than most people but still is hard. But when you do quit which I know you can if you believe in your self, it'll take a month or so till you get 100% back to you. Cause your body gets so used to running off the pills it takes a little while to get back but it's 110% worth it. Just keep your head up and stay strong I know you can do it. (:
 
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