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Misc Going from Suboxone to Kratom

Hammilton

Hammilton

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I'm planning on making the switch from Suboxone to Kratom in a couple days. It was supposed to be today, and the I would have saved one strip for a rainy day, but giving FedEx screwed up and didn't deliver, so now I've gotta wait until Thursday. I can't get more subs until the early part of next month, so I'm kind of using the Kratom to get me through until my next refill, but I was considering staying on Kratom if I was able to long term.

Has anyone here had success switching from subs to Kratom?

I'm not going to lie, I'm a bit afraid. I'm only taking two milligrams or so a day now, so it's not like I'm on a huge dose, but about two months ago I ran out 11 days early and I used heroin instead, which was cool those days I could get heroin (I only used 1 bag a day), but then by day 6 my guy was out and I was horrible.

I'm a little afraid that Kratom won't take away the withdrawal and I'll be fucked, but at the same time I had used it in the past and liked it fine enough. I used to have a bit of maeng da around for times like these and it didn't seem to do what I wanted it to do, I was trying to sleep and feel normal, it was too stimulating.

I'll be using Bali, which I have 250g of on its way, along with 1g of full spectrum extract and 10g of Ultra Red Indo which supposedly contains 2 percent mitragynine. In excited to give the URI a go, as 2 percent is quite high, much higher than standard leaves (1 percent is quite good) and certainly not outside possibility. I would just hope that higher mitragynine also means more of the 7-OH-M.

Can anyone share their story about how you made this transition, did it work? I've read about people who have made this transition, but they never say how they did it, how much they took and how it felt for them. Those are the things I'd like to know.

I have read that the extracts are useless and also that they're the real pathway to addiction to the plant. I would imagine that if it didn't taste so horrible their would be more addiction to it, so perhaps even if the extracts do not offer the same dollars:dose ratio plain leaf does, they offer other advantages that make them more worthwhile?

What would you recommend? Should I use the extracts first or save them for when the sub withdrawal gets too bad?

Will Kratom cover my withdrawals more or less completely? I have an important job which requires me to work long hours and I'm constantly on my feet moving around (I run a line in a plant), so I can't afford to be getting sick. Fortunately with the holidays here we've got a number of days off. Fingers crossed!
 
Best of luck man, ill also be making the switch in the future. Sorry, but i couldnt tell you what its gonna be like, as I havent switched over yet. Only real advice I can give ya is to buy plenty of kratom; you'll be needing high enough doses to achieve opiate analgesia effects. Sub is a strong opiate, so we're probably gonna be talking a lot of kratom. A friend recently kicked H cold with kratom and used appprox 30 grams a day, along with lope. Also, sub is gonna take a fair while to detox from; ive heard 2 months is the average.so youll want to have enough k to last a decent length of time.

Imho i wouldnt waste money on expensive extracts, resins and stuff; just look for a cheap but effective powder leaf. I buy sumatra red vein; its cheap, and a relative kicked a moderate codeine habit with 5 grams of it a day, so it works well.

Lots of people are making tea, extracts, even eating the raw powder, but as you know the shit tastes horrific. Personally, I only use gelatin capsules, each one holds exactly one gram of powder, so dosing is easily calculated.
 
Yeah, I've found the cheapest powdered leaf to be just about as useful as the expensive stuff.

Just try to keep the dosage low. Do what works for you. I've switched back and forth and never had any trouble.

I would take like 15 grams put it in a water bottle, shake it up good, let it sit overnight and drink it in the morning. I found letting it soak to help with constipation (but also makes it taste worse). All that fiber leads to brutal dry fecal balls, so that's something to look out for.....like worse than any opiate, imho even worse that eating poppy pods in yoghurt.

Or make some tea with the above method and slowly drink it throughout the day. The main thing is sticking to a dose and dose schedule and it's basically the same as being on bupe.
 
I think the trick is not to be bamboozled by the expensive hot-selling "brands", I'm referring to breeds such as Maeng Da, for example. These can cost up to 3X the price for an arguably similar product. Also, extracts tend to be no stronger than powder leaf; you just get a fraction of product for your money lol.

Just find a well-respected vendor, ideally one who deals only in kratom- vendors like this tend to be fairly expert in the plant, and usually move their kratom as fresh from the wholesalers as possible. Avoid headshops! You have absolutely no guarantee of freshness whatsoever; a key factor of quality. These guys generally tend to overprice their kratom IME
 
Swim has gotten Kratom from a local headshop and found it to be a huge waste of money. However like I said it was from a headshop so it's probably from a unreliable manufacture, who counts on one time customers to generate most sales. I'm curious of best place to get a good batch of Kratom? Swim consumed upwards to 14 grams and felt very mild effects which concluded to be nothing other than desire to feel what kratom had to offer if that makes sense :)
 
I would suggest going online and finding a vendor who specializes in kratom.

My product arrived today, I'm currently making a soaking a tablespoon of Bali in water to drink at work.
 
I've done it a few times and it worked well each time. My advice is to try not to stay on the kratom for too long because it has a whole host of effects going on. I feel that kratom is good for coming off subs but subs are better for maintenance.
 
Yeah, that's the reason I'm into kratom myself: coming off sub. I really don't care about catching a buzz from it; it's purely a WD management thing for me. Course, a sub detox can take months, so I will unfortunately be taking kratom for quite a long time, and probably at high doses.
 
I took my first full dose this evening, almost two hours ago. I used one tablespoon this afternoon, then about two hours ago I took 2 fresh tablespoons of Bali plus the used material from this afternoon. After an hour I took two emptied 300mg gabapentin capsules filled with ultra red indo (supposedly 2 percent mitragynine). It's starting to kick in now. Not pleasant for the stomach, but I feel quite good Aside from mild nausea. Feels very opiate-ish. Actually for being 50+ hours after my last Suboxone dose, I feel quite good right now. I might even get some sleep tonight.
 
That's re-assuring as hell actually; the Bali strain is something I've been buying quite a lot of, as well as Sumatra red vein (apparently the reds are better for opiate withdrawal, while the whites are stimulating). How many grams in a teaspoon btw?

Anyway, if I was 50 hours from my last bupe dose, I would be feeling like utter shit, so it sounds like this kratom is really working out for you. In fact, if I'd heard of it years ago it's pretty unlikely I'd even have begun bupe replacement. How long after your last dose of sub did you wait before taking kratom? When I withdraw from bupe, I'll be using kratom and lope. I also have tramado, but that's strictly a last resort.
 
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I might even get some sleep tonight.
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I recommend having your dose for the morning ready because you will probably wake up in withdrawal. It doesn't take long at all for the first waves of effects to kick in, and so if you have the dose ready, you can take it as soon as you wake up and drift back off to sleep if you want.
 
Nope, woke up feeling alright. Had 3 tablespoons this afternoon, then 1g of Full Spectrum Red X, quite good. I prepared 3 more tablespoons thinking the one gram wouldn't be enough, but now I'll just hold off until tomorrow.

No diarrhea, no nothing bad at all so far. This has been extremely mild
 
Slight restless legs after four or five hours after my gram of extract. Felt pretty good last night aside from that. Drank tea from about 3/4 of a quarter cup (should be 3 tablespoons) over the course of two hours this morning. Had a little more rls when I first woke up, but that took care of it. I have been feeling a bit itchy, actually, but not altered in any other way.
 
Good to hear your beating your addiction to subs rather painlessly even if it means switching to the lesser of two evils. Do you plan on using kratom as a form of maintenance or are you planning on tapering from the kratom once your no longer dependant on the sub? The downside to kratom maintenance is the constant need to redose to stave withdrawals, can see it becoming tedious.
 
Yeah, it's definitely good hearing kratom is helping people get off sub painlessly, and at lower doses than I was expecting to use myself.

If it's being used for long term maintenance, that could work out being expensive, considering tolerance over time, though I'm not sure if the body develops a tolerance to kratom.
 
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Yeah, it's definitely good hearing kratom is helping people get off sub painlessly, and at lower doses than I was expecting to use myself.

If it's being used for long term maintenance, that could work out being expensive, considering tolerance over time, though I'm not sure if the body develops a tolerance to kratom.
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Even after 3 years of twice to three times daily kratom use my dose has only gone up by about 3 grams, kratom doesn't build much of a tolerance. Also a kratom habit doesn't cost that much really, my habit works out to about $30 a week which is comparable to a moderate cannabis habit. Keep in mind I'm high on kratom basically 24/7 at that low cost so it's not too bad. When I use opiates that $30 will get me 4 hours of fun.
 
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It's re-assuring to know that; building a tolerance to a drug is a nightmare. And yeah, the prices of kratom are reasonable that's for sure - a kilo of kratom costs a hell of a lot less than a kilo of some other drugs I could mention....
 
Hey Guys,

So, first I did not consume completely every day during my last binge but it went that way during the last phase where I was taking 1,2mg Buprenorphine nasally a day. I cut the dose down over a few days until I was at 0,4mg on New years Eve. I had ordered some "Borneo Red Vein" Kratom but it only arrived today so I had two little uncomfortable days in between which I took care of with some Gabapentin and 2mg Lorazepam yesterday.

Now I just downed 7,5g of the BRV-Kratom and after 10 minutes the inner uneasiness is gone :)
I did this before, switching from Tilidine to Kratom but Bupe is a hell lot stronger. It works anyways, at least if you were not on too high daily doses.
I guess that with 8mg a day (even tapererd) it would not be so easy.

However, for the first few days I think Kratom is awesome to kind off "buffer" the acute WD-Symptoms from harder opiates. But staying on it is another story, including addiction and WD as well.
 
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