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God was to be man’s slave. How did the reverse happen?

Gnostic Bishop

Gnostic Bishop

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God was to be man’s slave.How did the reverse happen?

Early man created both philosophyand theology to serve mankind. Philosophy was to seek the best rules to live byand implement them through a political system that was headed by man. Theology wasto seek the best rules to live by and implement them through religion headed byan absentee God. Both were created to be slaved to man.

Jesus preached that holythings were created to serve man as well. The Sabbath was created for man andnot man for the Sabbath. That is why he showed that we can work on the Sabbathand ignore the manmade law.

The religious manmade creationsthen, --- including God, --- are to be slaved to man. That works well withlogic and reason as the strong are to serve the weak and not the weak serve thestrong.

So how did God, who was to bea slave to man, --- become man’s master?

Now I know that most will saythat God is supposed to be our master, --- but please note, --- that man hascreated government to serve us. Not to make slaves of us. We control governments.They do not control us. To have us control our political entity is normal andjust.

As above so below says thatGod is also to come under man’s control. We created God just as we createdgovernments.

That is what Jesus taught.
He even moved God aside andbecame our judge. We are now to answer to men and not some absentee man createdGod.

Are you ready to seek God asJesus says we must? Are you willing to be a master to God, and like Jesus, takecontrol of the judging powers of God?

When you can say that yourGod is I am, the Gnostic Christian way --- and mean you, --- then you willbegin to know God.

Regards
DL

To know who and where Jesus thought God was. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

To find I am in you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdSVl_HOo8Y

General Gnostic beliefs.
http://www.thesongofgod.com/tgc/basic_beliefs.html
 
Very interesting post. I don't know how to respond constructive to it, but is gravity a slave to me? Did we create that law (often God and Law are at least of similar) to serve us? Maybe.
 
What 23 said:
Very interesting post. I don't know how to respond constructive to it, but is gravity a slave to me? Did we create that law (often God and Law are at least of similar) to serve us? Maybe.
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Gravity keeps you here and alive.

It is the strong and serves you the weak.

You are the strong to your children and serve them.

Looks like a general pattern and I do not know of any exceptions.

Regards
DL
 
But did we create that (did 'I' 'create' gravity?)? Maybe. And did our 'children' create us?

I think that there might be something to that, as illogical as it might seem.
 
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What 23 said:
But did we create that (did 'I' 'create' gravity?)? Maybe. And did our 'children' create us?

I think that there might be something to that, as illogical as it might seem.
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I do not see it as illogical at all.

If your child thinks of you as a parent, then he has put you in his mind under the heading of parent. In that sense, yes, he is creating or accepting you to fill that place in his mind.

Regards
DL
 
Honestly, I don't relate to the question. We're all part of God, talking about God. I know I'm not God in its entirety, but I'm still a fragment of it. It seems paradoxical and dualistic to suggest that one is beholden to the other in some way. That's the illusion of separation talking. It's like taking a cup of water from the ocean and saying that the ocean is the slave to the cup of water or vice versa. It's all emptiness at the end of the day. There's no mind involved and it all arises without self, including what self has to say about slavery.

There's no one in here doing anything.
 
Br1ngTh3Ra1n said:
God was never man's Slave. Nothing proves it in my opinion.
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Nothing but your own logic and reason if you care to engage them.

Is a leader, be it religious or political, elected/created by us, to serve us or to have ourselves serve him?

Do you serve your political masters?
Do you serve your religious masters?

What do you have that a God would possibly want or need?

What would a God have that you would possibly want or need?

Note who wins in any encounter God and man encounter.

That shows that God serves man.

Regards
DL
 
Foreigner said:
Honestly, I don't relate to the question. We're all part of God, talking about God. I know I'm not God in its entirety, but I'm still a fragment of it. It seems paradoxical and dualistic to suggest that one is beholden to the other in some way. That's the illusion of separation talking. It's like taking a cup of water from the ocean and saying that the ocean is the slave to the cup of water or vice versa. It's all emptiness at the end of the day. There's no mind involved and it all arises without self, including what self has to say about slavery.

There's no one in here doing anything.
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If just a piece of God, then you have to go where he does.

As a Gnostic Christian, I am all in for all of us having a piece of God within us but he follows us. We do not follow him.

http://www.thesongofgod.com/tgc/basic_beliefs.html

Do allow some flexibility in thinking. After all, all religions are based on myths.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Nothing but your own logic and reason if you care to engage them.

Is a leader, be it religious or political, elected/created by us, to serve us or to have ourselves serve him?

Do you serve your political masters?
Do you serve your religious masters?

What do you have that a God would possibly want or need?

What would a God have that you would possibly want or need?

Note who wins in any encounter God and man encounter.

That shows that God serves man.

Regards
DL
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It's true that leaders are elected by us to serve us but God isn't a leader he's more than that. He's a creator in my opinion.
 
Br1ngTh3Ra1n said:
So let me get this straight: you are trying to define The All mighty God, the creator of the universe by a saying of Albert Einstein?
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Yes. It fits.

I am asking why, if he does not like what he is creating, does he not create us in a different way?

Are you saying that he does create us as is while knowing that scriptures say that most of us are bound for hell?

Is your God insane or just incompetent?

If you kept making defective products do you think you would keep your job for long?

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
If just a piece of God, then you have to go where he does.

As a Gnostic Christian, I am all in for all of us having a piece of God within us but he follows us. We do not follow him.

http://www.thesongofgod.com/tgc/basic_beliefs.html

Do allow some flexibility in thinking. After all, all religions are based on myths.

Regards
DL
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From my perspective this is true... since any notion of god is merely your own projection.
 
Br1ngTh3Ra1n said:
God doesn't create us knowing we will go to hell. We decide that ourselves with our actions. We have a.choice between hell and heaven.
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So much for your faith in God's plan.

All has been pre-destined.

I have become a brethren of Jesus. Have you?
Or is your destiny one of the great majority that goes to hell?
Luke 17:21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of Godis within you.

Romans8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to theimage of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL
 
Foreigner said:
From my perspective this is true... since any notion of god is merely your own projection.
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Good insight.

A pity that more do not step up to that. Christians have been conditioned not to thanks to churches not teaching Christianity the right way. They never preach theosis or apotheosis the way Jesus did.

Christians follow priests. Not Jesus. What a waste of the potential Christ minded.
Matthew6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thywhole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: andmy Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode withhim.

Luke 17:21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of Godis within you.

Romans8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to theimage of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Regards
DL
 
Bringtherain..

By the definition of omniscient.. God already knows everything that is going to happen.. That includes who goes to hell..

Therefore God knew that Adam and Eve would take a bite of the apple and that the snake would be the one to tempt them.. He knew that he would be condemning billions of people to hell.. who those people were / are / are going to be and when it's going to happen.

God, being the omniscient fella he is, know what choices and what actions we are going to make.. therefore.. he created us knowing we're going to hell.
 
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