Give us druggies not drunks, say Valley police

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Give us druggies not drunks, say Valley police
By Robyn Ironside
The Courier-Mail
August 09, 2008 12:00am


IF it was not for the prevalence of ecstasy in Fortitude Valley, understaffed police say they would struggle to cope with the drunken violence.

Last Saturday night only 15 officers were rostered on to deal with up to 60,000 people in the entertainment precinct - one officer for every 4000 people.

A Central District officer who did not want to be named said they had about the same number of police rostered on Saturday nights as they did weekday mornings.

"We're at the point where we're saying thank God 80 per cent of them are using an illegal drug rather than alcohol, even though in 10 years they'll be suffering manic depressive disorders," the officer said.

Are drugs better than alcohol?


"But we just couldn't deal with that many people affected by alcohol."

He said police were not able to deliver a satisfactory "level of service" and were flat out responding to calls rather than undertaking preventative actions.

"It is embarrassing. We've sworn an oath to do certain things and we're not being given the resources to achieve that," the officer said.

Drug Arm national communications manager Josie Loth said it was well known that illicit drugs such as ecstasy were much more prevalent in the Valley than other parts of Brisbane.

"It's deemed more acceptable than in the city because the Valley's the alternative scene and always has been," Ms Loth said.

She said although ecstasy was a stimulant it tended to relax people but alcohol had the opposite effect. "When certain people drink ... it brings out more of a violent tendency, often leading to problems," Ms Loth said.

Australian Medical Association Emergency Department spokeswoman Alex Markwell said alcohol definitely contributed to a lot more injuries than drugs.

"Young men especially can become aggressive on alcohol and get involved in fights and assaults," she said.

"The really common things that we see at the Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital are head injuries where they've fallen over and hit their heads and we see lots of people with broken hands after hitting people," Dr Markwell said.

"It really is very frustrating from a medical perspective because it chews up our resources. If people didn't drink we wouldn't see anywhere near as many patients as we do."

Police said that although drug users tended not to cause as many problems as binge drinkers, they were "competing horrors".

"The big thing a lot of us feel is that one of the most dangerous and insidious things about 'e' (ecstasy) is that most young people think it's not hurting them but every time they use it, it's hurting them a little," the officer said.

"We deal with them all the time; these kids who are now 30 or 40 who are suffering serious mental health problems as a result of their drug use in their 20s. Often it ends in suicide."

Queensland Police Union president Cameron Pope declined to comment on the drug use in Fortitude Valley but he said the staffing shortages in the district were not an isolated issue.

A Queensland Police Service spokesman said an "intelligence based" roster system was used in the Central District of the Valley and CBD which made public safety the primary objective. "Officers are rostered during peak periods to respond to calls for service," the spokesman said.

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Nnnnnoooooooo.......I'm going to be manic deppressive and commit suicide when I'm older, the policeman said so.
 
"We deal with them all the time; these kids who are now 30 or 40 who are suffering serious mental health problems as a result of their drug use in their 20s. Often it ends in suicide."

Holy shit you mean all those people i knew growing up that took alot of E and still take it occasionally are all going to commit suicide in 5 to 10 years 8o .

Where the fuck do they get their info at all. Jesus christ thats retarded.

"We're at the point where we're saying thank God 80 per cent of them are using an illegal drug rather than alcohol, even though in 10 years they'll be suffering manic depressive disorders," the officer said.

It's called bipolar now you idiot and i seriously doubt very many E users will develop bipolar. Another pile of nonsense spit out by the cops. Atleast they admit that alcohol causes more problems then most drugs and especially ecstasy do.
 
LOL. I look forward to having manic depression in 10 years... Or maybe just a way better perception of life, enjoying life to the fullest while having spectacular experiences with my friends doing MDMA once every 2 months ? :)

I can't understand why so many governments ban drugs because "they make you violent".

In Denmark Methylone was banned with the non-scientific reason: (there was no clinical tests proving this so-called fact at all) It makes people violent.

Oh. Really?

I have never seen anyone on methylone be violent. Sadly i can't say the same with Alcohol. Around 20-30% of all male friends i have, seem to want to find fights, or start some when drunk...



Governments should really try and get SCIENCE and FACTS into their druglaws.. obviously not any drug should be legal . But they just won't accept that there is an alternative way of substance-induced recreation than nicotine alcohol and caffeine.
 
Wayne Gale said:
^^^Well If they did that they wouldn't be able to ban them would they:)

I don't see where they get off banning them to begin with :\
Where's that authority come from?
 
jdizzle said:
At least alkies don't commit suicide...right?8)
yeah all the alco's I know are happy as a pig in mud. pretty sure they all love their lives.
 
Eh yeah but I can imagine a lot of people do commit suicide either cause life is shit after drugs compared to how awesome it was while on drugs, or in the midst of a horrible crash after a heroin/coke/whatever binge.
 
GlassAss420 said:
Eh yeah but I can imagine a lot of people do commit suicide either cause life is shit after drugs compared to how awesome it was while on drugs, or in the midst of a horrible crash after a heroin/coke/whatever binge.


It isn't that life after drugs is horrible...
It's that you don't fit into this world after using drugs... You cannot accept authority without question, and authority HATES being questioned.

It isn't the fault of the drugs - it's the fault of those that believe themselves capable of controlling (i.e. eliminating) human desires activities regardless of the distance between themselves and those with the desires and choosing the activities they would control.

Life after drugs is very similar to life with drugs...
Just not life with drug abuse.

Better question - if drugs were legal and people knew how to use them responsibly, why would anyone STOP using drugs recreationally during their free time?
Why would life AFTER drugs exist?
Why should it?
 
Oh big suprise, alcohol causes more social problems than MDMA. Doesnt take a police department and a news article to figure that out.
"We deal with them all the time; these kids who are now 30 or 40 who are suffering serious mental health problems as a result of their drug use in their 20s. Often it ends in suicide."
Whoever made this statistic up deserves to be stabbed with a rusty knife. It may be true for the odd person who pills every day for years on end, but saying its true for everyone that uses MDMA is an outright lie.
 
Care said:
Oh big suprise, alcohol causes more social problems than MDMA. Doesnt take a police department and a news article to figure that out.

Whoever made this statistic up deserves to be stabbed with a rusty knife. It may be true for the odd person who pills every day for years on end, but saying its true for everyone that uses MDMA is an outright lie.


If I ever kill myself (and there are days where it seems like an appealing option) I would like to state here, for the record, that is has nothing to do with the affects of my drug use.
I have never had a negative affect (aside from the immediate health issues; puking up what I had consumed (alcohol only), and the occasional bad trip) from drug use, and none at all that have been noticeable on a permanent basis.

What HAS destroyed me mentally, emotionally, and is wearing upon me physically, is the government's intervention in my life BECAUSE of my drug use. Having stopped drug use for a year and a half now, I don't crave drugs. I don't have flashbacks. I don't see things other people don't.

However I have a completely apathy towards life because I believe that I am nothing more than a commodity the government seeks to use for its own benefit. I do not believe myself to be free. I am ordered around, and punished for disobeying their orders (don't use drugs). I am rented to corporations for a return to my owners as though I were as slave (direct taxation; government OWNS me and OWNS my labor - therefore they can take a % of my labor from me and I cannot complain.)
And in my frustration and anger, I see others, walking around in their chains, incapable of seeing the bindings upon their hands and ankles.
I am persecuted by my fellow countrymen because they do not WANT to see the chains placed upon them - as they have given up all hope of ever casting them off.

Drugs have not led me to become suicidal. I simply do not believe the life of a slave is a life worth living - if there is no hope of ever attaining freedom.
The government has destroyed my soul - my desire to live - my range of emotions, leaving me a hollow shell of whom I once was - and my connections to "society."
I stand alone now - outside the encampment, looking in on those trapped inside, as I'm led behind the shed to be "dealt with" for my digression from the mandates of my masters. And I feel mostly nothing. I'm numb from the continual pain of the metaphorical whips upon my back, and the dreaded thoughts of non-compliance with the demands of my non-sovereign government.

What hurts the most isn't the shackles they use to lead me...
It isn't the gun constantly pointed at my back.
It isn't the names they call me in an attempt to turn my brethren against me.
It isn't the tazers they use to keep me in line.
It isn't, even that they claim I have no rights as a free person.

The most intense pain comes from the complete lack of caring of those left behind...
Those that allow the "masters" to take me - for an act of disobedience, not an act of CRIME, and believe themselves to be FREE because they are not the ones in the visible chains.
The blindness of those that do not see the imminent danger... that the whims of their masters are currently lending them the appearance of freedom - while any small action could reverse those whims, leaving all those left "free" to perish at the hands of their fearful masters.

This awareness has slain me already - and the physical shell that is left can no longer feel any real pain.

These things weigh down upon me daily. Hourly. Constantly.
And may well eventually lead to my "final" demise.
This has nothing to do with my drug use - except that my drug use awoke me to the reality of this world... It gave me the ability to see the oppression of a once free people for what it is.
And this disheartening knowledge I cherish. I keep.
And I continue to live, and to hope - not because I desire to live another day, but because I cannot stand the thought of freeing myself from the false constructs of society while leaving the rest of humanity enslaved.
I would give my life to prevent another single occurrence of this injustice - but throwing my life away at this time would only prevent me from attempting to rouse the captives from their delusions. By doing so I would be ensuring the trap remains set. The unwary will continue to stumble blindly forward until it is sprung; killing each of them inside with the knowledge of their wrongful confinement - just as this knowledge has surely already killed me.
 
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