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Heroin girls vein issues.

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princesspeach

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hey all, this is my first post so please bear with me, i was not sure if SWIM applies to posts over here.

i know someone who just started doing heroin a couple months ago, and its a huge problem since she is a girl and has basically no veins. it takes so many stabs before getting a good hit. the only place they can get it is usually on the hand or a recently discovered vein on the ankle.

this person uses 31 gauge short needles, any hints for girls shooting up? shes totally jealous of guys who seem to always get it first try.
 
thank you that thread actually came up in a google search for me which is why i joined the forum. so much helpful info here.

my veins are barely visable and very small, its pretty exausting for anyone trying to help me out, i just recently started trying to hit myself, its deff much easier and less stressful but its still not easy to do!
 
Well stay away from the lower limbs as they are a recipe for trouble.

Your best bet is to try and find the veins around your elbows (slightly below and on the inside of your arm) and use them. Tying off before registering (but releasing before injecting) may help. Other than that work out the muscles and get some bigger veins.

Don't know what else to say but remember there are nurses who can hit any vein, but pushin when you aren't in one is super bad news. :\
 
I'm a dude and I have small to no visible veins. Look at the vein maps in there and learn to feel around on your arms (elbows and biceps) to find the veins, and a really great secret is to aspirate (pull back the plunger to create a vacuum) in the needle as soon as it is under your skin but before it hits the vein, so that when you do hit a vein it will automatically register and you won't go through the other side when looking. Stick to your main, big veins, stay away from your feet.

Personally, I have to use the longer 1/2 insulin syringes to access my veins, try those out and get back to us. Also, look in my signature for supplies like sterile water, micron filters, etc... that make injecting much, much safer.

Even just a search at Amazon.com for "bacteriostatic water" will get you 2 30mL vials (60 shots of water) for $5. It is so worth it.
 
muvolution said:
I'm a dude and I have small to no visible veins. Look at the vein maps in there and learn to feel around on your arms (elbows and biceps) to find the veins, and a really great secret is to aspirate (pull back the plunger to create a vacuum) in the needle as soon as it is under your skin but before it hits the vein, so that when you do hit a vein it will automatically register and you won't go through the other side when looking. Stick to your main, big veins, stay away from your feet.

Personally, I have to use the longer 1/2 insulin syringes to access my veins, try those out and get back to us. Also, look in my signature for supplies like sterile water, micron filters, etc... that make injecting much, much safer.

Even just a search at Amazon.com for "bacteriostatic water" will get you 2 30mL vials (60 shots of water) for $5. It is so worth it.
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That is great advice, especially the part about aspirating, which I literally have never seen mentioned, even though it is a great tip for when your having trouble getting a vein, so that blood just shoots right up into it.(although the same thing can happen if you pull back, fail to register, then hit a vein afterwards) also, this may be somewhat against harm reduction, but I never fully grasped the bacteriostatic water... I mean I GET IT, but I've never had problems, and everyone I know who IV's uses tap water and no problems either, so maybe it's overkill, unless you have a compromised immune system or it's just convenient to get?(like at a needle exchange, which I do not have)
 
I don't know man. for me, spending $5 for 60 shots of water = $.03/ shot = me feeling like I'm not going to be accumulating heavy metals, calcium, rust, flourine, chlorine, etc in my circulatory system.

I will do a shot without it, if it is for right there, right now, but if you prep in advance, it is totally necessary, and I prefer to be drawing water out of a sterile ampule, if not a bacteriostatic one, if I am just prepping a shot for right then and there.
 
Well of course, using sterile water is IDEAL, and anyone who can use it, will(anyone with sense lol) but to say it's necessary is overdoing it, and to say bacteriostatic water is "necessary" is REALLY overdoing it.

I mean, think of it like this: NO ONE sells the stuff, at least that I know of. Ordering it off Amazon may say $5 for 60ml, but then you have shipping and handling, which probably brings it to $10-$15. A lot of addicts are lucky if they can afford to eat after getting they're drugs, much less special "bacteriostatic water".

I'm just saying, I would keep it around if they sold it at Wal-Greens. Yet I have no credit card, and no paypal account, no way of getting one. I have been injecting for years, using mostly tap water, except a couple of occasions I've scored sterile water amps from the hospital, and nothing has ever happened. AND MY () IS COMPROMISED

But remember, I am lucky, and was very healthy up until recently. If you can afford to pay for your own cable, chances are, you should have no problem acquiring sterile/bacteriostatic water, in which case, it is just laziness. But if your dirt poor, then tap water is not anywhere near deadly, so long as your health is not compromised in the first place. (believe me, for some people just being able to afford a 30-pack of syringes at Wal-Greens is a blessing!!!
 
if you can afford to buy drugs you can afford to buy sterile injecting supplies.

If you'll note, the link I posted shows that the second safest form of water is cold tap water boiled in a clean kettle.
 
muvolution said:
if you can afford to buy drugs you can afford to buy sterile injecting supplies.

If you'll note, the link I posted shows that the second safest form of water is cold tap water boiled in a clean kettle.
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Yeah, I just got around to it. I have thought about advocating boiled water, but I am fearful that storing it might defeat the purpose, and let's face it, NO ONE is going to boil water prior to every injection.

But I have to address this:
if you can afford to buy drugs you can afford to buy sterile injecting supplies.

Dead wrong. Clean needles, yeah, taht's a requirement, and if you can't afford to buy a 3$ 10 pack from Wal-Greens, you most certainly can't afford drugs. But anything beyond that is extra, and may be unattainable.

As an example, I am VERY POOR; and I won't say I am not. Work has been slow the past couple of months, and fucking non-existent for the past few weeks. But I have a very dear friend, who gets 90 suboxone a month, and doesn't need all of them. Just a handful gets me by a whole month, since I IV. Of course, I do buy drugs normally, but again, I don't have a credit card or anyway to order things off the net.

So I have a FREE drug supply to maintain me(well mostly free, it is my job to look out for the person, and make sure they have benzos/somas among other things), and use my spare cash to buy drugs, but at the moment, I am literally rolling my cigarette butts up becuase I can't afford a pack. So yes, I inject drugs everyday, and honestly can't afford anything. And there are plenty of people who have NOTHING left after getting drugs, in fact I knew a guy, he's long gone now, but he would buy syringes before food. He would of laughed at the idea of sterile water(which is ignorant, but I'm just saying)

But again, I do not advocate using tap water, and for pretty much everyone on this site who can afford internet, there is no reason not to have it. And with my illness I shouldn't be using it, either. But until it is available at my local pharmacy, there isn't much of a point of worrying about it.
 
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If you have small veins you want to keep using 31G short tips.

My advice is to try to examine your own hand veins, and a vein map. You can follow the veins up your arm.

With those really small veins, you can use them but not often. They will have a harder time bouncing back than larger veins. You basically need to feel with your finger and see where it comes closest to your skin, and try to feel which way it runs. Looking alone can be misleading.

With some veins it's easier to go straight on top of the vein, with others that roll, sometimes you want to come in with an angle from the side. I'd advise you try going straight on top of them for now.

You can definitely use hand veins but it's not the best area to start using, it's somewhere even I won't use as I regularly use arm veins successfully.
 
Trying to stay on topic, but simply ask your local pharmacy to stock bacteriostatic water. It will probably be dirt cheap from whoever they order it from.
 
heat makes my veins show much more even though I have monsters veins I could hit with my eyes closed. My friends neighbor was a body builder and used to eat pixie sticks before competitions because it made his veins pop out.Ive seen this problem many times before and a key is to not get frustrated
 
I've heard straining the muscles (e.g. working out) will cause the veins to pop out somewhat. I've noticed this on my own arms sometimes, although I'm male and don't IV. Cutting of the circulation temporarily can also assist, I hear.
 
Heat up the area around where you want veins to emerge. This will raise them to the surface. Also, let gravity's pull assist blood going towards the area (away from the heart toward the location), this will increase pressure.
 
Like oxide and Peg said, exercising and heat will help raise your not-so-noticeable veins to the surface. Exercising gets your blood pressure up and will cause your veins to pop out more. Ever watch a bodybuilding contest on tv? Notice they have about 392 veins popping out like inches? *Drooool* heh Also, STAY HYDRATED! If you are dehydrated, your veins will be very much harder to hit. The flow of blood will be drastically slowed, and thick, making it hard to see your veins and even harder to register. My girlfriend is the same way, she has literally like 2 veins you can sometimes see on her hands that I would have to hit.

Some people just have shitty veins, heh.
 
i'm a girl and i have low-ish blood prssure (100/60 normally,sometmies lower) and after i used all of the veins (without complelty ruining them..just close) in my arm within a span of two months of daily use, i've resorted to my hands. so i can sympathise. i'll tie off on my wrist and the middle vein (the biggest/most prominent) in my hand will jsut pop out and scream at me. although you don't get the whole rush (to me, i've noticed shooting in my arm because it's closer to my heart so more rush? or just psychological, don't know), shooting in my hand works, even with a 28g.

it still works ownderfully...so even though if they only statred using a few months ago, using a tourniquet with your hand helps a lot because you cansee the vein more and can gauge the depth you need to shoot, so perhaps you wouldn;t need one later. but make sure you shoot about 25-50% slower than youw ould in an arm vein (being cautious about blowing out a vein), and i suggest even if you rgister automatically to re-register whenver you're in your hands. it's easier to miss a shot in your hand than in your arm (frommy experience) because they roll a lot easier to me.

so if i can't register after 45mins /1hr i'll take a bath and fill it only half way (just incase i nod out too hard) and submerge my arms so they get the warmth to raise my veins. then i'll do something that'll raise my blood presure, usually a few pushups or jmping jacks. but i compeltely understand having shitty veins..i wasn't blessed with good ones. but trust me, having fresh rigs each time helps a lot!!! i had to use the same two rigs for three weeks bcause ,my needle exchagne was closed. now that i have freshies, i register on the first or second time always now that i've been to the exchange instead of it taking an hour.
 
muvolution said:
Trying to stay on topic, but simply ask your local pharmacy to stock bacteriostatic water. It will probably be dirt cheap from whoever they order it from.
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Thank you, muvolution. I honestly feel dumb for not having thought about that yet!!! Unfortunately, I go to wal-greens, as they are the only place in this wrethed city that will sell syringes to anyone, N-Q-A'd, so they may not do it, but I am sure I could find a place. We just got a job in, so I got some cash, If this works I will forever give you the credit for me being able to use sterile water and be that much safer!!!(about the only thing I'm missing, honestly.
 
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