Gibberings CXXXII: Like an overweight person consuming a poor-tasting biscuit

[Shambles]

In armed forces types on speed stuffs... I wonder if WWII would have dragged on so long if army, navy and airforce on all sides hadn't been dosed to the gills on methamphetamine for most of it? Probably would've gone on longer actually.

 

[gayorstraight]

Athletics isn't all about racing in a straight line though is it...

You have to be considerate and use your brain depending on what type of sport or race it is.
I personally think all drivers aged over 80 should be made to dose dexedrine 20 mins prior to being allowed behind the wheel.

Comparing athletics to driving is like comparing chalk with cheese. Honestly I can't see your point

 

[gayorstraight]

I would agree.

Thank god, someone who kinda gets what I'm saying! :D

 

[Ceres]

Pilots are slightly different to your average person driving around wasted on whatever.

they have been known to fuck up catastrophicaly and kill themselves and other people because of the stims affecting their judgement.

 

[gayorstraight]

they have been known to fuck up catastrophicaly and kill themselves and other people because of the stims affecting their judgement.

Thus proving my point, surely

 

[gayorstraight]

I once got driven about by a fella nodding heavily on GBL. That was pretty fukkin scary stuff. He was a pretty habitual user so - as SHM mentioned above - was the lesser of two evils for him to be driving when not in w/d. I had no idea he'd taken as much until he started nodding out and drifting all over the road though. Thank fuck it was a Sunday morning and the roads here are mostly empty

Sounds fucking horrible! Being a passenger in the situation renders one completely powerless, that's not a nice feeling

 

[Shambles]

Especially as I don't drive and had absolutely no idea what to do. Just had to keep trying to talk to him trying to get him focussed and coax him into pulling over when he was comparatively more conscious. Unfortunately high doses of GBL also make folk overconfident and kinda delirous so didn't really work. Luckily it is also quite short-acting so i just kept giving him "wrong" directions to keep him on the quietest roads. Although we did have one car behind us for quite a while. Fuck knows what he thought was going on :D

 

[Ceres]

Thus proving my point, surely

well, most of the time they don't fuck up. It is a matter of how impaired your judgement actually is and how much that is affecting what you are doing, but also wether you are able to make that judgement rationally in the first place. Common sense, self-awareness and caution...

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

Gbl, GHB, too similar to alcohol for the purposes of this conversation. Yeah, not one to drive on.

 

[Ceres]

bleh, took 5mg of 3,4-CTMP this morning to get work done for tomorrow,6 hours later work is done but i just feel slightly edgy and unpleasant, took 1mg of etizolam. This happens every time and I regret it, ought to know better by now :/

luckily all this shit is nearly gone and I'm not buying anymore.

 

[gayorstraight]

Especially as I don't drive and had absolutely no idea what to do. Just had to keep trying to talk to him trying to get him focussed and coax him into pulling over when he was comparatively more conscious. Unfortunately high doses of GBL also make folk overconfident and kinda delirous so didn't really work. Luckily it is also quite short-acting so i just kept giving him "wrong" directions to keep him on the quietest roads. Although we did have one car behind us for quite a while. Fuck knows what he thought was going on :D

Jeebs, that does not sound fun! Probs best keeping him on the quiet roads etc

 

[gayorstraight]

bleh, took 5mg of 3,4-CTMP this morning to get work done for tomorrow,6 hours later work is done but i just feel slightly edgy and unpleasant, took 1mg of etizolam. This happens every time and I regret it, ought to know better by now :/

It really annoys me that stims for me turn into a paranoia fest after the first couple of hours. Do you reckon etiz would combat that?

 

[gayorstraight]

Gbl, GHB, too similar to alcohol for the purposes of this conversation. Yeah, not one to drive on.

In your opinion what do you think is acceptable to drive on?

 

[ColtDan]

i like to pop a few 4,2jkd-bjhsdc SDFo783-kjd and go for a drive, i drive myself right to button moon and back

 

[Ceres]

depends on the stim really, etizolam isn't very strong so doesn't really do anything on 3,4-CTMP unless it's almostout of your system like 6 hours after dosing. Benzos are just something I don't like to take atall if I can help it, after having successffully got off them last year.

I've generally come to accept taht I just can't touch dopaminergic stims anymore these days, the downsides aren't worth it atall, I hate being sketched out and on edge, or unable to focus because my mind is all over the place.

TBH even cannabinoids make me feel edgy and unhappy now.

Strong seretonergic drugs make me feel like shit and full of regrets afterwards aswell, in quite a sinister way.

NMDA antagonists are all that is left really. I don't even drink.

few weeks ago I chucked out all my drug paraphenalia, scales etc and all the drugs I had apart from a few doses of 3,4-CTMP, a practically empty bag of etizolam powder and some ur144 and am2201.

Felt good. Just about had enough of drugs drugs drugs since mephedrone sucked me in in 2009. One of my friends losing his life to drugs was the last straw.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

In your opinion what do you think is acceptable to drive on?

It's not that simple.

Sometimes it's down to a particular effect of a drug, sometimes it's down to the drivers personality and experience. If you're asking me for a list of what I think the law should say I can't give you one.

From my own experience...alcohol impairs more and quicker than any other drug I've known for driving. The fact the law allows some minor tolerance for this drug alone, the worst one, makes the whole thing an ass.

Hallucinogenics and driving don't go together.

But you can't be as absolute about other drugs. We should rely less on given rules and put more trust in people's judgement of their abilities. When someone has a drink and has to drive the justification will be "I'm still under the limit, I've only had one". Being nicked becomes the thing to avoid, not having a crash. People should be saying "I've had one but I feel safe in my abilities to drive"

Then you'd create a culture of more personal responsibility. I take drugs and drive. I take drugs and don't drive. I'm aware of my own abilities and take responsibility accordingly.

For the record, 21 years driving, no crashes (apart from one completely sober in the snow on a mountain, and that was because I was working, should never have gone up there), not even a point on my license. So obviously I never break a speed limit do I?

 

[Shambles]

Gbl, GHB, too similar to alcohol for the purposes of this conversation. Yeah, not one to drive on.

Also similarly to alcohol people dependant on it need some in the system to be able to function at all. As in the addict clucking/fixed situation it's somewhat of a rock and a hard place. Have been in cars with folk on heroin (and in w/d, naturally) many times and I can assure you it ain't too safe sometimes. Coke/crack was always an iffy one too. Way overconfident and aggressive - one instance where the driver was leaning round trying to get the pipe off the folk in the back seat whilst bombing down the motorway at 100mph leaps to mind.

The whole subject is kinda murky to me. Problems abound on all sides

 

[Ceres]

fuckit, sun has come out at last, im going for a walk

 

[Shambles]

Wish it'd come out here. Is freezing cold and pissing down and I need to wander down to MamaSham's to try to scrounge up train fare for tomorrow.

 

[Ceres]

turned the same here and i was only outside 5 minutes grr. back to work I guess. etizolam has made me less tense, thank fuck. tolerance has dissapeared because of not touching it for months.