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F.U.B.A.R.
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^pah... Even my Mrs could get through a g in two days - I hated the stuff, but tolerance did rise ridiculously fast with it.
Don Luigi
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Are any of the newer generation of legal synthetic cannabinoids any good? JWH-018 was brilliant before the ban. I've had AM-2201 and UR-144 since then and they were both pretty shite, with tolerance rising very quickly...Something I underestimated when I gave my mate a dose just a little bit less than I'd been taking. He passed out 6 times on his way to the bathroom and then boked in the hall ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
I never passed out but a few times I got very anxious at how conscious of my heartbeat I was. I usually calmed myself down within 15 minutes though.
I never passed out but a few times I got very anxious at how conscious of my heartbeat I was. I usually calmed myself down within 15 minutes though.5f-akb48 is quite nice, less panic attack inducing and more like actual weed, the safest way to dose them is dissolving in ecigarette liquid at a known concentration and vaping in an ecig, then it's nice and controlled and you can mix up batches of different strengths.
some of them taste fucking rank though, ur-144 for example.
smoking, vaping off foil or whatever is just too unpredictable and liable to freak people out. I made up 20mg/ml strength and found it just took 5 or 6 inhales off the ecig to feel pretty baked.
some of them taste fucking rank though, ur-144 for example.
smoking, vaping off foil or whatever is just too unpredictable and liable to freak people out. I made up 20mg/ml strength and found it just took 5 or 6 inhales off the ecig to feel pretty baked.
Don Luigi
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I think I'll maybe give it a little test in my next order. It's cheap enough in powder form and I have a few e-cigarettes around that, unfortunately, I'm not using anymore.
Jesus Christ, when I came back a few months ago I was only smoking weed and seasonal mushrooms, now I'm like a kid in a candy shop. I won't be attempting to build a little H.S Thompson stash again, lest it lead to another big flush.
Jesus Christ, when I came back a few months ago I was only smoking weed and seasonal mushrooms, now I'm like a kid in a candy shop. I won't be attempting to build a little H.S Thompson stash again, lest it lead to another big flush.
joe90
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I cant get my head around taking unknown substances that could end up inducing panic or death and the rinse and repeat on cycle for years. Seems like a recipe for misery.
In other news its quiet as a mouse here lately. Not an inkling of drama anywhere. Makes it a bit boring when you mainly lurk. Call to all mentalists come out swinging.
In other news its quiet as a mouse here lately. Not an inkling of drama anywhere. Makes it a bit boring when you mainly lurk. Call to all mentalists come out swinging.
yeah i found 5f-akb48 worked best in the things and doesn't really have an obnoxious taste, it was alright for just a few hits in the evening to mellow out, not something i would use regularly though. Even my friends who are bigtime daily weed smokers and connesuirs liked it.
^joe90 : yeah, it is a recipe for misery after a while, but the novelty factor sucks people in (myself included a few years ago). some people just don't survive, tragically.
there are so many shady / potentially life wrecking RC's about in the UK at the moment, it's quite depressing.
^joe90 : yeah, it is a recipe for misery after a while, but the novelty factor sucks people in (myself included a few years ago). some people just don't survive, tragically.
there are so many shady / potentially life wrecking RC's about in the UK at the moment, it's quite depressing.
Don Luigi
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You haven't been lurking hard enough
Taste isn't too much of an issue for me, so long as it's not completely acrid. I have smoked some of the foulest counterfeit cigarettes and tobacco so they have made a lot of the taste buds run away from my mouth.
Unfortunately, they ran to my scrotum to blend in amongst the follicles
Tangerine Dream
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I only ever passed out from smoking actual weed in Amsterdam, during the day on a hotel bed. Near the end of my 'love affair' with 5f-akb-48 I was smoking and just falling asleep, wake up, repeat. A gram lasted me a couple of months at first but at the end a few days. Tolerance was ridiculous. I stopped and a week later smoked an 8th of weed over a weekend and barely felt high at any point... SO fuck noids is my new ethos.
^ yeah that is something I've heard people have issues with, smoke am2201, wake up an hour later, smoke more, couldn't sleep without it and actual weed didn't touch the sides. People smoking grams in a day or two though, by that point clearly it's gone too far 
I gave up being a fulltime weed smoker like a decade ago, so really having a few mild hits some evenings off a 5f-akb48 ecig didn't throw up any noticable tolerance issues and it wasn't fun enough to do all the time.
I gave up being a fulltime weed smoker like a decade ago, so really having a few mild hits some evenings off a 5f-akb48 ecig didn't throw up any noticable tolerance issues and it wasn't fun enough to do all the time.
Don Luigi
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When I say 'pass out', I actually mean losing consciousness for 5 or 6 seconds at a time. I was slapping his face and he still wouldn't respond. I was terrified - I was already making up excuses to tell his parents, as to why it wasn't my fault that I killed their son.
Tangerine Dream
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Yeah I totally agree Ceres, it got completely out of control. I hate sobriety to the point now it's been years since I had 'a month break' from everything.
It was so cheap per dose at first and easily obtainable, and functional...
Everything in moderation... well maybe not everything.
It was so cheap per dose at first and easily obtainable, and functional...
Everything in moderation... well maybe not everything.
hahah moderation is still something i haven't 100% grasped yet, after snorting a months worth of pregabalin in a week and consequently spending the last 2 weeks feeling like im slowly dying thanks to the withdrawals. never again (although I've said that a few times now).
Shambles
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I was very much of this opinion and was greatly enamoured of the stuff initially. So I started using it regularly which resulted in the first ever incident of me "hearing voices". Since that first incident I've had intermittent issues regarding "voices" when using synthetic cannabinoids (a complete no-no for me now,) strong weed (to a greatly lesser extent than synth noids but still enough of a concern for me to need to be very cautious with the stuff,) strong stimulants (I'd had prior issues regarding acute paranoia and stim psychosis with these too, of course, but greatly exacerbated since that first "voices" incident with 5f-AKB-48,) and also some of the shonkier dissociatives (MXP specifically).
For me, synth noids are cheap, efffective and honestly perfectly pleasant... right up until they suddenly weren't and nothing has been the same since. I honestly think synth noids - especially the more potent ones - present waaaaaaaaaaay too big a risk for the initial rewards. If I'd stuck to occasional use of weed - even highly potent strains - I honestly don't think I'd've gotten into the states I did - states including being essentially sectioned. I went willingly but in a state of extreme fear and paranoia whilst in full-blown psychotic state... truth be told I was found running up and down the high street naked and banging on church doors screaming and grovelling to supernatural entities I do not believe in but were so deeply entrenched in my head I had no choice but to believe in them at the time. Noids were not the only substance involved but they were the one that initially triggered incidents of hearing voices and much like Pandora's Box...
Don Luigi
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Sign me up!
On a serious note - do you know, roughly, how long you'd been taking the compound, and how often, before you experienced the voices?
On a serious note - do you know, roughly, how long you'd been taking the compound, and how often, before you experienced the voices?
Shambles
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Was the third or fourth time I bought it from memory. First couple grammes went fine aside from one bizarre incident where I heard a voice one night. Literally just two words but SO fukkin clear in my mind - like nothing else I've ever experienced. Next time I ordered it the vendor screwed up my order and sent me 10g instead of 2g and I was using 24/7 for a few days. The voice returned after a couple days of this and was initially very confusing but also not at all threatening. Initially I was rather seduced by it and didn't even really sink in just how big of a deal it is to be hearing voices and interacting with them as if they were people right there with me.
One night the nature and content of these "discussions" with voices changed completely and became downright terrifying. Things escalated so rapidly I cannot begin to explain but suffice to say I went from pleasantly stoned and befuddled - albeit talking outloud to people who weren't physically present - to panic attacks lasting hours at a stretch being constantly bombarded by threats, abuse and goading to self-harm and/or commit suicide.
The next morning I was on my knees in front of the toilet flushing every substance in my stash box (which was a pretty damn substantial amount in terms of variety if not volume) and literally praying for my soul. I am a lifelong atheist but the nature of the voices I encountered were very heavily religious in nature - all angels and (mostly) demons - and I can assure you that no matter what your beliefs are when things are inside your head and torturing you ceaselessy you do what you're told sooner or later.
Ultimately this all ended up as an enforced stay at an inpatient psychiatric unit after what can only be described as pure hell. The effects of the cannabinoids - the full-on hearing voices psychotic incidents - would last long after I'd flushed the actual substance. Latter stim psychoses have been far more intense than they ever used to be and now include the same voices and psychotic cosmology that came out of the noids incidents but thankfully they end once I sleep. The cannabinoid incidents lingered for a damn sight longer.
I can no longer use certain substances as a result and feel that I can never fully trust my mental health in the same way I used to - no matter how hard I pushed I never seemed to do any lasting damage but use of synth noids appears to have changed that permanently. I would strongly recommend to anybody to never touch any of them with a bargepoll.
One night the nature and content of these "discussions" with voices changed completely and became downright terrifying. Things escalated so rapidly I cannot begin to explain but suffice to say I went from pleasantly stoned and befuddled - albeit talking outloud to people who weren't physically present - to panic attacks lasting hours at a stretch being constantly bombarded by threats, abuse and goading to self-harm and/or commit suicide.
The next morning I was on my knees in front of the toilet flushing every substance in my stash box (which was a pretty damn substantial amount in terms of variety if not volume) and literally praying for my soul. I am a lifelong atheist but the nature of the voices I encountered were very heavily religious in nature - all angels and (mostly) demons - and I can assure you that no matter what your beliefs are when things are inside your head and torturing you ceaselessy you do what you're told sooner or later.
Ultimately this all ended up as an enforced stay at an inpatient psychiatric unit after what can only be described as pure hell. The effects of the cannabinoids - the full-on hearing voices psychotic incidents - would last long after I'd flushed the actual substance. Latter stim psychoses have been far more intense than they ever used to be and now include the same voices and psychotic cosmology that came out of the noids incidents but thankfully they end once I sleep. The cannabinoid incidents lingered for a damn sight longer.
I can no longer use certain substances as a result and feel that I can never fully trust my mental health in the same way I used to - no matter how hard I pushed I never seemed to do any lasting damage but use of synth noids appears to have changed that permanently. I would strongly recommend to anybody to never touch any of them with a bargepoll.
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^^ sounds horrific.
I only ever dabbled with JWH018 but got a bit cocky having had a sizable hash habit in the past, I vaped way too much at once and triggered 2hr panic attack. It was similar to the effect I now get from weed ( so don't bother ) but much more intense and concerning.
I was all good the next day though, very little psychological aftermath and I did use it again but was much more careful with dosing, way too easy to get far too much into your system at once.
I only ever dabbled with JWH018 but got a bit cocky having had a sizable hash habit in the past, I vaped way too much at once and triggered 2hr panic attack. It was similar to the effect I now get from weed ( so don't bother ) but much more intense and concerning.
I was all good the next day though, very little psychological aftermath and I did use it again but was much more careful with dosing, way too easy to get far too much into your system at once.
Don Luigi
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That does sound terrifying. I know what you mean when you say how clear it was. Auditory hallucinations, including voices, are the norm for me during stim psychosis but the voices were always in a different room - all except once. I was 16 and had just joined this site a few days before as I was on a minor speed binge and wanted people to talk to. It was only the 3rd day and I was reading a rather scary trip report on erowid. Then it was as if there was someone right behind me and they whispered right in my ear, ''he's reading it now''.
It scared the complete shite out of me and I bolted up the stairs to my parents bedroom and woke them up. When they asked me what was wrong, I realised how crazy it seemed and I just said, ''nothing''. I don't think I've ever felt terror like that, no matter how brief it was.
The speed was really crap but I had been bombing it rather than snorting it. I think the fact that I was abusing solvents at points of the binge might have had something to do with it. Some of my most insane, vivid, delusional experiences occurred when I used to abuse solvents. It's the only thing that's ever made me attack a mate, but I thought I was in hell and wasn't going to take shit from one of many faceless mannequins that were giving me the finger 8)
It scared the complete shite out of me and I bolted up the stairs to my parents bedroom and woke them up. When they asked me what was wrong, I realised how crazy it seemed and I just said, ''nothing''. I don't think I've ever felt terror like that, no matter how brief it was.
The speed was really crap but I had been bombing it rather than snorting it. I think the fact that I was abusing solvents at points of the binge might have had something to do with it. Some of my most insane, vivid, delusional experiences occurred when I used to abuse solvents. It's the only thing that's ever made me attack a mate, but I thought I was in hell and wasn't going to take shit from one of many faceless mannequins that were giving me the finger 8)
Shambles
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Was not fun for sure 
JWH-018 caused the odd panic attack for me but nothing lasting. None of the canninoids I've used (and have used quite a few over the years) have triggered anything like what happened with 5f-AKB-48 for me. To be fair, it's hardly a clinicl trial given how many drugs I've used extensively over the years so could be a "perfect storm" kinda scenario but seemed to be very particularly linked to use of 5f-AKB-48 for me and I've never been quite the same since.
Risks are just too high given weed is widely available and even in potent forms seems less prone to such sudden and extreme changes in mental health (I've smoked high-strength weed in voluminous quantities since and been more or less fine (few wobbles but mostly fine - just (understandably, I'd say) twitchy). Stick to tried and tested no matter how much more it costs in cashmoney terms would be my advice to any and all. They all just get you stoned anyway so it really is purely down to cost and availability and given how easy it is to acquire weed online now I'd say stumping up the extra cash was well worth the (literal) peace of mind.
JWH-018 caused the odd panic attack for me but nothing lasting. None of the canninoids I've used (and have used quite a few over the years) have triggered anything like what happened with 5f-AKB-48 for me. To be fair, it's hardly a clinicl trial given how many drugs I've used extensively over the years so could be a "perfect storm" kinda scenario but seemed to be very particularly linked to use of 5f-AKB-48 for me and I've never been quite the same since.
Risks are just too high given weed is widely available and even in potent forms seems less prone to such sudden and extreme changes in mental health (I've smoked high-strength weed in voluminous quantities since and been more or less fine (few wobbles but mostly fine - just (understandably, I'd say) twitchy). Stick to tried and tested no matter how much more it costs in cashmoney terms would be my advice to any and all. They all just get you stoned anyway so it really is purely down to cost and availability and given how easy it is to acquire weed online now I'd say stumping up the extra cash was well worth the (literal) peace of mind.
I had a number of friends that got really into glue, it can have some surprisingly potent effects including full on interactive hallucination, I never saw it do anything but bad things to people TBH, one of them died at about 25 of kidney failure and other complications apparently linked to his heavy solvent abuse.
I'd bet the solvents contributed, mild psychosis seemed very common.