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Gibberings CLXVI - You go away for a weekend...

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Shambles said:
I must defend his acoustic stuff cos they really are good and quite listenable (with a few notable exception for the more delicate-minded perhaps). Gives a better impression of the person rather than simply the shit-flinging loon.

GG Allin - When I Die (Acoustic)

Sammy G has a point. That is the spirit of rock 'n' roll right there.
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Cheers for the link, ive never heard his music before, i like the melody, lyrics and his voice, but he doesnt seem to be an amazingly skilled acoustic guitarist, at least compared to the big name legends in that field like Dylan, Cash, and Cohen for example. Maybe that's the point, and I'm missing it. :?
 
^ Spirit of rock 'n' roll does not need outstanding talent. Spirit is the key word and that he had in spades. This is why punk was proper rock 'n' roll whilst prog rock wasn't. Both are valid and interesting forms of music but only one is truly rock 'n' roll even if the other is descended from rock 'n' roll. And classical training.

parttime crackhead said:
His music was fucking dreadful as well though.
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Well that's a subjective thing and a different matter. There's lots of things I don't personally like but can see value and merit in. I can't think of many times I'd want to sit down and play a GG Allin album but that's cos I find a lot of his more raucous stuff unsatisfying. He's done some good tunes (to my ear) as well though. None of that takes away from a person's character though.
 
Shambles said:
^ Spirit of rock 'n' roll does not need outstanding talent. Spirit is the key word and that he had in spades. This is why punk was proper rock 'n' roll whilst prog rock wasn't. Both are valid and interesting forms of music but only one is truly rock 'n' roll even if the other is descended from rock 'n' roll. And classical training.



Well that's a subjective thing and a different matter. There's lots of things I don't personally like but can see value and merit in. I can't think of many times I'd want to sit down and play a GG Allin album but that's cos I find a lot of his more raucous stuff unsatisfying. He's done some good tunes (to my ear) as well though. None of that takes away from a person's character though.
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It would need to have a hell of a lot of value and merit to justify throwing a toalie around in time to it.
 
Shambles said:
^ Spirit of rock 'n' roll does not need outstanding talent. Spirit is the key word and that he had in spades.
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yeah i get what you mean, but for me acoustic music needs to be executed with great skill.


Christy Moore: Go Move Shift

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maxfustXF7A

Punk rock is a different matter, even if they only use 3 chords, the best punk bands still had a musical power and tightness.
 
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mydrugbuddy said:
yeah i get what you mean, but for me acoustic music needs to be executed with great skill. Punk rock is a different matter, even if they only use 3 chords, the best punk bands still had a musical power and tightness.
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Great skill? That rules out Bob Dylan for starters, along with many blues and country players.

GG's acoustic songs are lo-fi recordings, often using a basic cassette recorder. He wasn't even a guitarist by trade. It's absurd to jusdge acoustic music solely by its technical merits, especially when it's clear that isn't what's being aimed for.
 
parttime crackhead said:
It would need to have a hell of a lot of value and merit to justify throwing a toalie around in time to it.
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That's what I was meaning though - separation of acts and arts. Whether or not you like any music it is an art by definition. And it is always in the eye of the beholder but that is a different thing to what a person is. You picked up on buggering of children earlier. An abhorrent thing and no mistake but GG Allin did not indulge he used the mention of it for shock value. William Burroughs did like young boys but his writing is brilliant. He also shot his wife in the head and killed her - accidentally but the fact he was pointing a loaded gun at her head in the first place is enough really. GG Allin was abusive to women sometimes. Again an abhorrent thing but he didn't actually kill anybody (other than himself). Why is one regarded as a cultural icon and great artist and the other as a disgusting degenerate? I'm pretty sure there'd be plenty that thought of Burroughs in exactly that way. Are they right or was there more to Burroughs than buggering arab boys and drunken manslaughter?
 
Skills are overrated, like most of my metal head friends they only appreciate a player if he can wank his guitar at 200 miles an hour.

Bollocks to that some of the best guitar music requires almost no skills but you can hear the soul of the musician coming out of those strings, like early Missisipi blues, magnificent music but no particularly skilled musicians.

I mean even Hendrix, he's far from being the best guitar player technically but what matters is creativity and what you manage to transmit through the instrument.
 
Mental Kenny said:
Skills are overrated, like most of my metal head friends they only appreciate a player if he can wank his guitar at 200 miles an hour.

Bollocks to that some of the best guitar music requires almost no skills but you can hear the soul of the musician coming out of those strings, like early Missisipi blues, magnificent music but no particularly skilled musicians.

I mean even Hendrix, he's far from being the best guitar player technically but what matters is creativity and what you manage to transmit through the instrument.
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Sex Pistols - Pretty vacant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHo233RntO4

Yeah the opening riff is a peace of piss, anyone could play it, but it sounds fucking awesome.
 
Mental Kenny said:
some of the best guitar music requires almost no skills but you can hear the soul of the musician coming out of those strings, like early Missisipi blues, magnificent music but no particularly skilled musicians.
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To prove your point, I should link a 20 minute Neil Young solo.

To quote Bill Hicks- "play from your fucking heart"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkA6zugNMQ
 
Sammy G said:
He really wasn't that good. He could fingerpick in a rhythmic fashion, and that was about it. His singing and harmonica playing are both notoriously dire.
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Agreed. I love Dylan, but he was an adequate guitarist at best.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Didnt Bowie write a song for him, saying that he had a voice like sand and glue, or something :? Maybe his singing voice is a bit grating for some ears, but he sounds awesome to mine, finger picking guitar, voice, harmonica and all.
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I've been a Dylan fan most of my life. I don't see how anybody who likes him can dismiss performances such as GG's on technical grounds though. Seems absurd.

Listen to the demo versions of the Blood On The Tracks material and tell me they suffer from the lack of polish. They really don't.
 
I can't decide if this would be funny or if it tries too hard

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http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/23/is-ca...hristmas-present-youll-get-this-year-4240813/
 
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