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Gibberings CLXIX: Theresa May's Amazing Legs

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spacejunk said:
Sleeping on strong opiates is impossible if the dose is high enough.
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I've never had any issues on suboxone which is meant to be strong.

I think it depends on the person and how they react / respond to the drugs.

Hiya, Kate, MDB etc. How's things?

MDB I don't understand them giving an SSRI for withdrawals / PAWS. The whole point of PAWS is that the brain is healing. The person needs to go through that process, there is no avoiding it. If anyone does, they will have to face it at some time. In my opinion, adding an SSRI will mess up the brain chemistry further, the person will have more reuptake of serotonin and thus when the person comes off the SSRI the brain is tricked into thinking that it isn't getting enough serotonin reuptake thus the nasty symptoms.

The best thing to do is to just suffer and get it over it...

Evey
 
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I can understand it, if someones mood is gonna plunge for several weeks after coming off opis then an SSRI might help with that. Once they are past the PAWS stage they will then have to deal with coming off the SSRI at a later date. That will probably be easier to deal with than the low moods of coming off opis. It will certainly be physically easier. You are right though, if at all possible it would be better to battle through the PAWS without an SSRI, but if it becomes unmanagble to the extent of triggering relapses then an SSRI might help as a stopgap.
 
kate said:
Happy Caturday EADD
I have a whole week off work and started the party at 5pm yesterday :D but have a ferry to catch at mid-day tomorrow for the official holiday bit. Can someone remind me to put the drugs down around midnight tonight please?
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Hey kate, sounds good :) and nope ;p x
 
mydrugbuddy said:
well i use etiz to get to sleep, and can sleep ok on even stimulating strains of kratom (last dose probably taken about 6 hours before bedtime iirc). Time tends to go so fast though that you can look at your watch and see that 8 hours have passed and its suddenly become 3am or something. Also some strains are stimulating and others more sedating. What opis do you take as obviously some types can feel stimulating but others feel sedating.
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I'm not a regular opi user. Ive had all the usuals oxy, DHC, etc. I was expecting to be sedating, to the point of forced sleep, but instead like whoremoaning said, just found myself lying in bed itching myself in a dream state until the sun come up. I want something to chill on in evenings where I can sleep, that are not benzos, and where you dont get a hangover. Im struggling to find that perfect drug.

I went to the doctors to come off benzos, I said I wasn't depressed just anxious. To which she said there must be something underlying that is causing this anxiety. Which is true. So her response was to whack me on sertraline. Replacing one drug with another. When really its me thats got to make pro active steps in my life to stop anxiety. Doctors will give you sertaline, because they cant make those pro active steps for you. Mindfulness is the route I went down, and I feel so much better for it.
 
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kate said:
gibberings got heavy..
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ha, yeah sorry, was rather serious for gibberings wasnt it. 8(

I just felt like responding to SMs post as ive been in club sertaline, and he's been asking these questions for a couple of days and not really getting many responses that i noticed. Anyway, SM, feel free to PM me about Sertraline if you wish, im no expert on it but was taking it for quite some time.
 
Eveleivibe said:
Because I'm an extremely active and easily-bored person. Why spend the whole day sunbathing when it can be done in 12 minutes? Sunbathing bores me utterly senseless. I relax much better walking, or would rather do gardening or something, ANYTHING other than sunbathing LOL...

I only go on 9 minutes two times a week, sometimes three. But I'm sure it doesn't work properly because I'm hardly brown. Look at those on the TV; stunning, lovely tanned. I want that. I'm ugly but can at least get that right hahahaha :)

Evey
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9 minutes, two or three times a week?! That's fucking crazy man.

I use sunbeds, so I can't say I'm not silly in doing so, but your amount of use is absolutely staggering. You've increased your risk of developing skin cancer to a huge degree.

Baffling.
 
HouseFever said:
just found myself lying in bed itching myself in a dream state until the sun come up..
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I used to really like that state, i had the opposite problem to yourself, i wanted to extend and prolong that state for as long as possible, but kept falling asleep, and felt that sleeping was a waste of good drugs, when i could be in some lush semi conscious blissfull dream state instead, so i would sit up at my pc desk all night sometimes, figuring that if i didnt go to bed i wouldnt have the problem of getting up for work the next day. 8( Jeez the 'logic' of drug taking is something else. Maybe take your DOC earlier in the day? If you find that perfect drug please let me know. ;)
 
Eveleivibe said:
I've never had any issues on suboxone which is meant to be strong.

I think it depends on the person and how they react / respond to the drugs.
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Potent, but not "strong" - if you're on a daily maintenance dose.
Eveleivibe said:
MDB I don't understand them giving an SSRI for withdrawals / PAWS. The whole point of PAWS is that the brain is healing. The person needs to go through that process, there is no avoiding it. If anyone does, they will have to face it at some time. In my opinion, adding an SSRI will mess up the brain chemistry further, the person will have more reuptake of serotonin and thus when the person comes off the SSRI the brain is tricked into thinking that it isn't getting enough serotonin reuptake thus the nasty symptoms.

The best thing to do is to just suffer and get it over it...
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If you are on suboxone maintenance, you are still physically addicted.
Have you had a considerable period of abstaining from opiates - long enough to have fully experience acute and post-acute withdrawal symptoms?
(Being on suboxone does not count)

If you have, I cannot understand how you could possibly make a statement like "The whole point of PAWS is that the brain is healing. The person needs to go through that process, there is no avoiding it" like it is some penance for becoming addicted.
Fuck that. People need to do whatever it takes to get better and not relapse.
PAWS is one of the hardest parts of getting clean/getting off opiates in regards to relapse.
Without getting into the pros/cons of SSRIs and "antidepressants" more generally - it is not as simple as "the brain is healing" - this is oversimplified and to put it simply; just not true.

The person needs to go through that process, there is no avoiding it. If anyone does, they will have to face it at some time. In my opinion, adding an SSRI will mess up the brain chemistry further, the person will have more reuptake of serotonin and thus when the person comes off the SSRI the brain is tricked into thinking that it isn't getting enough serotonin reuptake thus the nasty symptoms
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Sorry, but this is just gibberish. If you don't understand something, perhaps reserve judgement on it until you can get a greater understanding? I don't mean to have a go at you, but seriously - this makes no sense at all.
 
Really suffering with my detox today, fell asleep for a few hours Friday afternoon then did not sleep at al last night and this morning I feel terrible. My Dystonia was so bad I was cramped up in the fetal position, its like the worst rls you have ever had mixed with tight body cramps that are so painful. Rung all the services and they wont help at all. 3 nights sleep max in 8 days and only 2-3 hours sleep a time. Its such a psychosis trigger and now my whole fam have been dragged into it.
 
darkinthepark said:
Really suffering with my detox today, fell asleep for a few hours Friday afternoon then did not sleep at al last night and this morning I feel terrible. My Dystonia was so bad I was cramped up in the fetal position, its like the worst rls you have ever had mixed with tight body cramps that are so painful. Rung all the services and they wont help at all. 3 nights sleep max in 8 days and only 2-3 hours sleep a time. Its such a psychosis trigger and now my whole fam have been dragged into it.
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:( Stay strong man. Sending some postitive vibes your way.

I've developed some nausea and a little headache and am restless as fuck. Not sure whether it's the speed or my hangover or both. Is taking ibuprofen a bad idea when on speed?
 
HouseFever said:
I was expecting to be sedating, to the point of forced sleep, but instead like whoremoaning said, just found myself lying in bed itching myself in a dream state until the sun come up.
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Exactly how i thought it was gonna be. haven't done it for ages now, was dabbling on and off for months, not a big fan of the stuff anymore. probably a blessing with the amount of people that get problems with it

SummerSerenade said:
Somebody bring me food and pack all my shit away please. My bed has become a part of me. Last night in it as well, fuck me that first year of uni went quick.
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Maybe. if i get something nice out of it.. x

darkinthepark said:
Really suffering with my detox today, fell asleep for a few hours Friday afternoon then did not sleep at al last night and this morning I feel terrible. My Dystonia was so bad I was cramped up in the fetal position, its like the worst rls you have ever had mixed with tight body cramps that are so painful. Rung all the services and they wont help at all. 3 nights sleep max in 8 days and only 2-3 hours sleep a time. Its such a psychosis trigger and now my whole fam have been dragged into it.
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Bloody hell.. that sounds horrible :(

Septonn said:
I've developed some nausea and a little headache and am restless as fuck. Not sure whether it's the speed or my hangover or both. Is taking ibuprofen a bad idea when on speed?
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Should be fine mate, i've never had any problems anyway
 
sorry to disrupt the thead, but i'm on 3mg etizolam ans a bottle of wine. Would it be dangerous to take a few 30mg codeine pills.?
 
hexagram said:
sorry to disrupt the thead, but i'm on 3mg etizolam ans a bottle of wine. Would it be dangerous to take a few 30mg codeine pills.?
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Even without adding the codeine that amount of booze and benzo could end badly (vomit in lungs), but all three together is asking for trouble.
 
Cheers Septon , appreciate the thoughts. Got to keep on keeping on.

Dan, yeah it is horrible man -I am doing a nasty rattle and I got that on top of it with a heavy dose of psychosis.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
I used to really like that state, i had the opposite problem to yourself, i wanted to extend and prolong that state for as long as possible, but kept falling asleep, and felt that sleeping was a waste of good drugs, when i could be in some lush semi conscious blissfull dream state instead, so i would sit up at my pc desk all night sometimes, figuring that if i didnt go to bed i wouldnt have the problem of getting up for work the next day. 8( Jeez the 'logic' of drug taking is something else. Maybe take your DOC earlier in the day? If you find that perfect drug please let me know. ;)
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That feeling is nice, but I found it was really prolonged, and after a while irritating and made me even irratable, sort of like nicley moved, but not moved enough, and any more would put me in OD level, especially with oxy. I think I did find the perfect drug for me, GBL, so perfect I became addicted to the stuff in the space of a month. There never seemed a bad time to do GBL. GBL and stimms are something else. Mephedrone and GBL had me exploding with pleasure.

ColtDan said:
Exactly how i thought it was gonna be. haven't done it for ages now, was dabbling on and off for months, not a big fan of the stuff anymore. probably a blessing with the amount of people that get problems with it
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I think its that kind of drug where you really enjoy it, and even if you are enjoying it, it can be quite boring.
 
@ mob - thanks for the response, they weren't prescribed to me for any kind of withdrawL, basically due to actual depression and not sleeping.

I've been using heroin daily up until Thursday just gone, the gear was the only thing keeping me from falling apart completely.

My partner couldn't deal with my problems anymore so I was asked to leave, so we've pretty much split up and we've two children together. I love all three of them more than I can explain so it's killing me what's going on.

I hope people here don't think I'm some scum bag because I've got kids and I'm a heroin addict.?

I adore my children and care for them equally as well as a straight laced person. I adore my partner to :( If it wasn't for my issue I'd be what society says/expects you should be, good job, mortgage, cars, holidays etc etc, I've sustained this and still do all while juggling my addiction, that's why it's killing me so much, I have the makings of my perfect life, I just seem hell bent on destroying it.

Fucks SAKE....
 
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