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Gibberings CLXI: The Numerals are Probably Wrong, The Words Within Most Certainly Are

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Sammy G said:
Are there?

I can't think of a single person who'd go as far as to call for emergency medical help, ignore the advice they were given and then consider seeking medical assistance again for something which is obviously a temporary side-effect of a stimulant binge.

If there were such an individual, then they'd rightly get called a fucking idiot. I'm sorry.
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There are plenty of folk on here who do risky things. Yes, they don't do what you suggest, but neither did I exactly:

a) I called Emergency help after a full 3 hours of being out of breath, taking no drugs & ruling out anxiety & my asthma.
b) They told me to call for emergency help if anything else happened... to be fair I had a pretty wicked arrhythmia at for a while but waited...
c) I called my Doctor first, who was a useless piece of shit & wouldn't give me any advice. "We don't have the equipment here & I can't advise you" blah, blah...
d) Followed by getting a taxi. I was getting heart pains again by this point & was out of breath.

By the time I got to the hospital, I felt like shite... I was out of breath, struggling to stay awake, my lungs were get congested & I was coughing, I was nauseous & was getting occasional heart pains as well as my heart rate being all over the fucking place.

They were actually quite concerned by the coughing alongside my chest pains & heart rate which was going between 85-120 in 30 second intervals. My BP was like 156/90 or something silly. Although a friend from School who happens to be a Doctor at the hospital told me it's much better high than low.

Thankfully, the blood tests came back & it turned out the coughing was a virus I must have picked up. Sent me home & said my heart rate & pains should settle soon. :)

I would imagine the virus is what made sensitive to the nasty effects Meph can have & gave me all those lovely symptoms rather than as some suggested, being up all night.

Still, got to treat these things with respect.
 
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Albion said:
. I'm a raised Catholic, but I'd rather be a drug addict than a born-again Christian.
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This may have been a dig at my own faith, as you posted this directly after me. But comments like this piss me off.

As an attender of church, we do so many great charity work and strive to stay conscientiousnes about what's right and wrong, and live in a decent way. If you don't believe in God, fine! That's your own views and I will respect them as such. But this opposition and contemptuous attitude of the church like is nothing but total ignorance.
 
I stand by what I said. I'd rather keep my addiction than subscribe to a philosophy that demands I put faith in God to get sober. Addiction and faith are not mutually exclusive, but the tenets of NA seem to state otherwise.

Opposition to the Church is irrelevant; that was not what that statement was about. It was about opposing a coercion into faith.
 
Albion said:
I stand by what I said. I'd rather keep my addiction than subscribe to a philosophy that demands I put faith in God to get sober. Addiction and faith are not mutually exclusive, but the tenets of NA seem to state otherwise.

Opposition to the Church is irrelevant; that was not what I was implying. I have an opposition to being coerced into faith.
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I thought it was "a higher power," not necessarily God or any specific religion?

Evey xxxx
 
It's still about faith.

And if you read their blue book, it's very much about God. Twist it all you like, it still unravels into Christian notions of God. I'll write an excerpt:

"We admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs."

"Our Higher Power will be with us during our fifth step. It seemed unnecessary to admit the exact nature of our wrongs to our Higher Power. "God already knows that stuff" we rationalized.

"We were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character."

etc
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God God God God God God God God God. Fuck off.
 
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Albion said:
I stand by what I said. I'd rather keep my addiction than subscribe to a philosophy that demands I put faith in God to get sober. Addiction and faith are not mutually exclusive, but the tenets of NA seem to state otherwise.

Opposition to the Church is irrelevant; that was not what that statement was about. It was about my opposition to being coerced into faith.
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If they're telling you that you have to be a Christian to give up an addiction, then they're pretty terrible Christians, almost manipulative.

But it is those Christians who are at fault. Not the church as a whole.
 
Albion said:
It's still about faith.

And if you read their blue book, it's very much about God. Twist it all you like, it still unravels into Christian notions of God.
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I've never been to an NA meeting let along read their book lol. I heard enough in other places about it n the steps to put me off for life. Like how they're very controlling n what-not. They can stick that up their pipe n smoke it. Bluelight's my recovery!

Evey xxxx
 
raas_2012 said:
If they're telling you that you have to be a Christian to give up an addiction, then they're pretty terrible Christians, almost manipulative.

But it is those Christians who are at fault. Not the church as a whole.
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Tis you who mentioned the Church (as in the company of all Christians regarded as a spiritual body), as opposed to simply the Christian God on his (His) lonesome. But religion and manipulation go hand in hand anyway. There's a rich history of manipulation for better and for worse within all religions. I wouldn't say NA are missionaries, but if you go through with their tenets and subscribe to their philosophy, you might go in being a non-believer but you will be a person of faith when you come out the other side.

I dunno about them being terrible Christians...I'm not sure that many of them would class themselves as being Christian. It's just that the tenets they subscribe to and promote revolve around God. It's a strange state of affairs.
 
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Albs could paste this so Evey see's:

Hey, I enjoyed reading and took an interest in your views on God as there's not a lot of us believers in EADD. Have I upset you and if so could we sort it thru PM? Just seems a shame that's all. I won't press the issue again.


(Alb I'll answer ur post in a minute, heads hurting too much to think right now)
 
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for raas :)

I forsee at my end to be banished,
By your god for my life and branding
Never around, in the greatness of sorrow,
Screw your god and his UN writ moral.
Stifle god, and the idols of hatred,
Out of my heart, I have always been free,
One with no need all alone and satanic.
Wretched and Vile, fuck your god, de face him.
Who could believe in a lord that's demanding?
Hard to believe when we die we vanish,
In his deny and for all his creation,
Fuck your god and his righteous hatred.
You and your son, you are nothing but absence,
Something not there that controls this planet,
Only deceit do I see in your hallow
If you believe you will dwell in failure.
Fuck Your God, Holy mother for the whore she is,
Fuck your God, bible thumper preaching threats from hymn,
Fuck your god, his revival and the holy Ghost,
Fuck your god; only tell us what we need to know,
Fuck your god, pointing fingers and then do as me,
Fuck your god, you are nothing and you'll never be,
Fuck your god; it is Satan who in trusts my soul,
Fuck your god, where the Christians are I will not go.
Fuck your god!!!!!

Fuck his, commandments, and prophet's left stranded to die,
Not in my heart or my soul as I go through this life,
Good book of bullshit lay dirty with vengeance and lies,
Go fuck your Jesus and get- the- fuck out my sight.

Unity over flowing with anger,
It is our time to remove the savior,
Christians are weak and the bible is beaten,
Homage to god, in this world not needed.
Fuck your god an his annals of plager,
Falling apart and exposing the light,
I will not live by the words of their Jesus,
He did not die to protect or save me.
There is just blood in his book of deceiving,
Riddles and crap to his divine healing,
Fail is your faith and you blame it on Satan,
Christians can't see that their preys are wasted.
Not a slave to religion unrendered,
Falsified god and his Christ redempters.
Never to be in the presence of grandeur,
I am for me and forever after.

Fuck Your God, Holy mother for the whore she is,
Fuck your God, bible thumper preaching threats from hymn,
Fuck your god, his revival and the holy Ghost,
Fuck your god; only tell us what we need to know,
Fuck your god, pointing fingers and then do as me,
Fuck your god, you are nothing and you'll never be,
Fuck your god; it is Satan who in trusts my soul,
Fuck your god, where the Christians are I will not go.
Fuck your god!!!!! Fuck you!!!!
 
FoolsGold there's no need for your prejudices against religion. I'm just trying to have a mature conversation with Alb
 
For the record I have no issue with God as a concept! I'm agnostic, and happily so. Even quite spiritual when the mood takes me. I just don't like NA for forcing it on to me, especially when they claim to have no religious affiliation. I don't like that people are being exposed to that kind of deception when they seek help in a vulnerable state of mind. I went to get help for drug addiction, and found myself battling barriers relating to faith and God. Like, what the fuck? That's not on, and all its done is make me angry.
 
Yeah I totally agree with you Albs, but I'm just stating please do not attribute those particular Christians, to the religion as a whole.


Now can u paste that message to evey :) (She has me on ignore so cant see it)
 
Evey my dear:

raas_2012 said:
Hey evey, I enjoyed reading and took an interest in your views on God as there's not a lot of us believers in EADD. Have I upset you and if so could we sort it thru PM? Just seems a shame that's all. I won't press the issue again.
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raas_2012 said:
FoolsGold there's no need for your prejudices against religion. I'm just trying to have a mature conversation with Alb
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yes the is raas just as much as your right to have your so called matute conversation with albion that and i was just btaking the piss this time :) it was all in jest nothing more raas i know your a kind heart soul but i just cant stand religion full stop be it bible bashers like your self or satanists ive lost all faith and believe in it all of late
 
foolsgold said:
yes the is raas just as much as your right to have your so called matute conversation with albion that and i was just btaking the piss this time :) it was all in jest nothing more raas i know your a kind heart soul but i just cant stand religion full stop be it bible bashers like your self or satanists ive lost all faith and believe in it all of late
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I don't see your problem, FG.

We Christians aren't all that sinister. For me personally I can find enjoyment in life in a compassionate, loving and peaceful way... and then naturally want to thank God for the opportunity for being able to do so. To love all those dear to us, humans and animals and show thanks and appreciation to the creator for allowing us to experience these beautiful moments.

What's so wrong with that? Why cant you stand that?

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