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GHB vs. GBL?

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Ur*TyPiCaL*BeAtFrEaK*

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Whats the difference? Which is stronger? All that good stuff. Found out the stuff I took on New Years was actually GBL, not GHB. If somebody could post some helpful links, that would be great. My computer is too slow and my search is not working properly :)
*Amanda*
 
I don't personally know of any sites that go over the difference subjectively, but this is from my exp.
GHB
This is more subtle and happy of the two and
is easier to sleep on. More synergistic with
other drugs without taking over.
Uh...it's been described as a 'cleaner' high.
GBL
This I have much more experience with. It is
much quicker to act, more bioavailable, so
you need less to get high, and shorter
lasting. It is more intoxicating, generally
more potent. It makes eating much more
enjoyable...comparable to cannabis. It makes
sleeping easier, but after 6 or so hours the
dopamine rebound wakes your ass right up.
And it's not easy to get back to sleep. Take
that into account. It has a very steep dose
respose spike. What this means is that, say
you take 1mL and barely feel it, take 1.3 and
still need more, take 1.6, and hit your sweet
spot. If you take 2.0-2.5, you probably
won't be able to mentally or physically
coordinate yourself. After that, you'll
probly just pass out.
Which you pick depends on what you're looking for. GHB is lighter and more happy, while GBL is heavier, more euphoric and more intoxicating. I've done about 15 times more GBL than GHB, personally.
But get GBL. Simply because the conversion from GBL to GHB is quite easy. Search for that, or look in rhodium.ws or erowid.org or lycaeum.org.
Good luck removing those ink stains.
 
P.S.
After you find out how much GBL you need to get nice and fucked up, try something.
If you have a willing partner, give sex and GBL a shot. It's quite the ride.
P.S.S. Don't take GBL to calm down. It makes you more angry. It even occasionally induces a confusing, spontaneous unattributed anger, even rage for me...it's probably a chemical quality of GBL I haven't figured out yet.
 
GHB is just that GHB!
GBL when taken acts with a chemical in your body to produce GHB.
[EDIT - This guy was a total moron in his reply, that is, the portion I deleted out.. please do not reply to this portion or I will only have to delete what you type... ]
[ 16 February 2002: Message edited by: PhreeX ]
 
1. [voluntarily removed response to what Phreex removed above (though I think it is better to allow misinformation and correction to coexist rather than delete both...that does not educate anybody)--psychoblast]
2. GBL is the precursor to GHB. When you take GBL, your liver converts it to GHB and you get messed up. THIS PROCESS IS HARD ON YOUR LIVER. When I was researching these two, I wrote off GBL completely because of how damaging it appeared to be to the liver. (If I am wrong about this I would love to hear about it. I did this research on the internet a while ago.)
3. Now my own question for those who've done both... Can I really know which I've taken? I've always asked my guy for GHB, and each time it is a clear liquid that tastes superSUPERsalty and crappy. After reading the above posts, I'm wondering if maybe my dealer just gives me whichever is easier for him to get (which may be GBL!) Could I tell?
[ 16 February 2002: Message edited by: psychoblast ]
 
Originally posted by psychoblast:
3. Now my own question for those who've done both... Can I really know which I've taken? I've always asked my guy for GHB, and each time it is a clear liquid that tastes superSUPERsalty and crappy. After reading the above posts, I'm wondering if maybe my dealer just gives me whichever is easier for him to get (which may be GBL!) Could I tell?
I can tell them apart with 100 percent accuracy. Maybe because I have poured so much of both down my throat.
GHB is usually what you described above -- super salty, usually kind of syrupy compared to GBL, has a clear to kind of yellowish color, and is stronger than GBL.
I saw the reply from UrGoat and everything I have learned would lead me to believe that he had GHB and GBL mixed up. Don't take that as an insult, I don't doubt weather you have experianced both.
GHB is definatly the stronger of the two --- easy explination --- GBL is converted to GHB inside your body --- GHB is already GHB.
GBL is not as dose sensitive as GHB. GHB does vary in strength much more than GBL -- I have made GHB so thick and syrupy that you would be messed up by simply dipping your finger in it and licking it.
MOst of the GBL that I have seen marketed as "paint remover" or "surface cleaner", but with the actual intention to be consumed, has been blue in color and even has a small amount of flavoring added. Now, if you bought a 55 gallon drum of GBL, it wouldn't be processed that far - usually. I'm pretty sure that most people will never see a 55 gallon drum of it though.
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So what is an average dose of GBL? I have no experience with g what so ever. And was thinking about getting some. I looked on erowid with still no answers.
 
Originally posted by i_luv_chemicals:
So what is an average dose of GBL? I have no experience with g what so ever. And was thinking about getting some. I looked on erowid with still no answers.
Start with 1.5mL... some people have a low tolerance. I think 3mL on an empty stomach(trust me, don't bother taking it <2 hours after your eat) is the perfect dose. Wait at least 3 hours before you redose, or you will pass out.
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uh....GBL is without a doubt stronger than GHB, and much, much more dose sensitive. of course the strength of GHB can vary depending on how much you dilute it after the initial reaction, however GBL will always be stronger, considering it is the only phsycoactive ingredient in GHB and the extra ingredients decrease its potency, while converting it to a safer drug in general.
if you have GBL, convert it to GHB. there is no reason to put the strain on your body of "converting" it to GHB inside you. their is also a large amount of research supporting the fact that GHB is nontoxic to the body, while there is very minimal research done on the effects of GBL in your body. not to mention, at least for me, the high feels much smoother and cleaner. i have had my body react pretty voilently to reject GBL, while i have never had this with GHB.
peace, outkast
 
Originally posted by outkast:
uh....GBL is without a doubt stronger than GHB, and much, much more dose sensitive. of course the strength of GHB can vary depending on how much you dilute it after the initial reaction, however GBL will always be stronger, considering it is the only phsycoactive ingredient in GHB and the extra ingredients decrease its potency, while converting it to a safer drug in general.
if you have GBL, convert it to GHB. there is no reason to put the strain on your body of "converting" it to GHB inside you. their is also a large amount of research supporting the fact that GHB is nontoxic to the body, while there is very minimal research done on the effects of GBL in your body. not to mention, at least for me, the high feels much smoother and cleaner. i have had my body react pretty voilently to reject GBL, while i have never had this with GHB.
peace, outkast
Yeah, my fault for the explination I gave.
What I meant to say was that most of the time people get a hpld of GBL it hs been processed and *included* in some type of product for human consumption.
Those who do get GBL that is of the highest concentration (98 to 99.9 percent) will find that it just as strong as GHB -- not *stronger*, which it is not... It all depends on the dose you take really. GBL is converted to GHB inside your body and it does not yeild the same amount of GHB as the same amout of GBL that was digested.
I would like to say that if you are taking a concentrated form of either that you are prolly loosing some of the skin inside your mouth. They are both very strong...
And to the comments of TecknoticDream ---
Fuck a buncha GHB!I was slipped that shit and nearly died in december!
It is a little different when someone takes the time to measure out a dose and give it to someone who is expecting it, rather then squirting it into somebodies *drink* who wasn't expecting it.
Also GHB/GBL and alcohol are a very bad combo!
Alcohol and or other *poly-drug* use is what contributes to most of the GHB/GBL related accidents... That or some stupid ass messing with a chemical which he knows nothing about.
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I took 3mL of GBL on New Years, and was fine for awhile, but started to....nod in and out of conciousness in the chill room. But then i struggled to a standing position, and I was ok from there-just really fucked up.
 
Argh...........there is so much misinformation in this thread I think it is unsalvagable. If I were a mod I'd seriously trash it.
 
^^^^^^^^^^ I agree with xylo...
the most blatant piece of misinfo is the dosage of 2-3 ml FOR STARTERS...this is a very high dose, and you don't know how you might react. I've been taking G for years and 2 ml of GBL is still a bit too much.
and the guy who took 3 ml of it (considered almost as a sleeping dose) and wondering why he almost went unconsciuous...
 
GHB is a bullshit drug in my mind. Some asshole slipped a bunch of it in her drink unknown to her and she almost died.If people want to experiment on their own that's cool but slipping someone a drug calls for an instant death penalty. For those girls who hang out in Mount Clemens Michigan beware some asshole is on the loose.
 
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