Misc GHB to replace alcohol

[Bsiren]

Have you discussed your vertigo issue with a doctor yet? I ask because you said this is a problem that has started when you drink so I guess you havnt always had this issue with alcohol? You might have a inner ear type of problem for example, thats not noticable when your sober but becomes apparent when your drunk. I could be completely wrong (probably am.lol) but it occurred to me earlier so thought id mention it.

No it's a valid question! And yes, I've been to an ENT, examined thoroughly. My primary doctor, as well as another (got a second opinion) have no idea what is wrong with me- my physical shows I am in superb shape. A basic neurological exam shows I am also just find. In general, my balance is great- the after effect is that 1-2 days after drinking any alcohol, I feel like I am on a tipping boat.

Dagda Mochta- well put! Alcohol is the original date rape drug. I know out of all the drugs I've done, it's resulted in the worst decision making. It's also easy to obtain, making it ideal for someone to use it to manipulate their date with it. "OMG but I wa drunk too!" is much easier to claim than "OMG I was given GHB too"

I may try 1-2-butanediol, as I do not think I'll get access to GHB any time soon! I'll report back, and use with caution if I do get ahold of it.




About GHB being a date rape drug: All drugs can be used to manipulate someone into sex, but GHB being used for this express purpose I greatly over emphasized.

 

[Dagda Mochta]

1,2-B? Does that work the same as 1,4-B?

I used to do 1,4-B a lot after the GBL ban, until it started fucking up my stomach something fierce.

 

[pasha]

GHB/GBL is only neurotoxic/excitotoxic during withdrawal. Many sources suggest that it can actually be neuroprotective.

 

[BlueHues]

Lol that is the funniest thing iv ever heard take a few maintenance puffs through out the day hahaha I jus got done smoking an I just laughed so hard reading that rofl

In the 15 years I've been addicted to just about every drug there is, smoking a little pot throughout the day is the only thing that I've ever been able to pull of without becoming completely addicted to that too....It's a pretty common practice actually....

I don't personally think substituting G for alcohol is the greatest idea, not that I have a major issue with G, other than the fact that if I had a bottle of it sitting here, it would be gone in no time....

Is the whole maintenance puff thing funny to you because you think that smoking massive amounts of pot is the only way to go? Or you think the idea of it is far-fetched...I don't really know understand how it would make you "Roll on the floor the laughing"? Only peeople who smoke unecessarily high amounts of weed constantly are cool! Congratulations you must be cool...happy belated 16th birthday....


Every I time I start smoking weed after a long layoff, it makes me emotional and paranoid, and if you're using it just for a "head changer" without trying to get completely bombed....well that's why you'd take "maintenance puffs"....

Of course, the OP is not talking about addiction/dependence issues, but is just looking for a similar buzz to alcohol because of "vertigo"....in which case, I guess it work

 

[FlippingTop]

Is the whole maintenance puff thing funny to you because you think that smoking massive amounts of pot is the only way to go? Or you think the idea of it is far-fetched...I don't really know understand how it would make you "Roll on the floor the laughing"? Only peeople who smoke unecessarily high amounts of weed constantly are cool! Congratulations you must be cool...happy belated 16th birthday....

Fucking hell calm down man, The guy just finished a joint and your post made him lol.

I actually found it a bit comical because the OP was just asking to swap GHB for alcohol and you suggested staying slightly high all day long, nothing personal. I found the idea funny not you.

 

[BlueHues]

Go to a doctor and tell them you feel "off" and God knows what you'll walk out of there with....Anything from antipsychotics.antidepressants, benzos, stimulants, especially in America.....There's obviously something going on that makes people unable to function normally, maybe we just have to much time on our hands to contemplate how we feel.....

How many "normal" people consider switching from alcohol to GHB? For any reason? A lot of people don't even know what GHB is....

I could have over-reacted and taken it the wrong way, but I've been confronted with quite a few douchey posts lately so maybe I'm a little paranoid...who knows?

 

[Reverend Random]

I strongly disagree with this. IMO alcohol is the original date rape drug. I'll go out on a limb and say that GHB was never commonly used for this purpose. I feel it was mislabeled as such by sensationalist media cunts.

That said, I agree with everone else that it is a much healthier alternative to alcohol. IDK about safer though. The dose response curve is steeper for GHB, and dependency seems to develop very quickly. So be careful in that regard.

I fully agree with both aspects. However, I would like stress the fact that GHB can be quite habit forming and that withdrawal is very severe (some say worse than alcohol and/or benzos) and can be life threatening once you've developed a serious dependency. If you dose cautiously and stay very mindful of when and why you use it, I'd agree that it is definitely much less unhealthy for your body than alcohol. But then again, that goes for almost any substance...

 

[Bsiren]

I fully agree with both aspects. However, I would like stress the fact that GHB can be quite habit forming and that withdrawal is very severe (some say worse than alcohol and/or benzos) and can be life threatening once you've developed a serious dependency. If you dose cautiously and stay very mindful of when and why you use it, I'd agree that it is definitely much less unhealthy for your body than alcohol. But then again, that goes for almost any substance...

Thats an important thing to note- thank you. I know many people are likely to abuse this drug, and wind up having withdrawals. It's impossible for me to assert that I wont abuse it, but my intent would be to use it 1-2x a week maximum- but then again, when I first tried MDMA I said "just this once!" and wound up using MDMA every single weekend for 6 months after that, got so obsessed I went on Bluelight for 4 hours a day, and become the Ecstasy Discussion moderator...LMAO! ;P

I do not care for cannabis, I wish I did. I just find it make me paranoid, self aware, and unable to really converse with anyone who isn't as stoned as me. I have unlimited access to it- my dad smokes it, my bro smokes it..me, not a fan! Lame.

 

[pasha]

^ The problem with GHB, is it's probably the most drug were an individual can become addicted to it and lead a sustainable, and improved lifestyle. When you have a drug that diminishes anxiety and depression, while also improving sex, focus, and drive, with limited toxicity it can become very easy to fall into a 24/7 dosing cycle. Especially that as a psychological fix, it's superior to anything in the world IMO. Many people argue that anyone can survive the 'take it or leave it' test with GHB, but it's not really a craving for me that causes the addiction, but rather an inner satisfaction and desire to continue taking this drug that significantly improves quality of life, until you approach withdrawal.

 

[Dagda Mochta]

^ The problem with GHB, is it's probably the most drug were an individual can become addicted to it and lead a sustainable, and improved lifestyle. When you have a drug that diminishes anxiety and depression, while also improving sex, focus, and drive, with limited toxicity it can become very easy to fall into a 24/7 dosing cycle. Especially that as a psychological fix, it's superior to anything in the world IMO. Many people argue that anyone can survive the 'take it or leave it' test with GHB, but it's not really a craving for me that causes the addiction, but rather an inner satisfaction and desire to continue taking this drug that significantly improves quality of life, until you approach withdrawal.

Well said.

 

[Bsiren]

I get you on that, still- I'd like to try it. That is the trouble with any drug that sounds great, it may be way too great to the point you can't turn it down.

 

[Dagda Mochta]

Yea its an extremely reinforcing habit. I abused the shit out of GHB/GBL and 1,4-B when I was younger.

 

[bunge]

^
Lolololol, thats a cheap shot but it tickled my funny-bone.
Personally I would do naughty things to the mescaline molecule...its got some sexy little bonds going on.....

 

[FlippingTop]

Personally I find that the MDPV's many holes impossible to ignore.

 

[bunge]

Good choice, MDPV has a nice bit of leg showing there. Had a brief love affair with ethanol when I was younger but it was a bad idea. id come home, shout alot ,slap it around abit and call it cheap etc classic alcohol abuse! :-D

 

[crazycatman]

GHB is a great replacement for alcohol. The positive effects are mostly the same, while the negative effects (hangover, toxicity, ..) are much lower. However it does have one big problem - if you are the kind of person to be drawn towards 24/7 use, GHB causes a really bad addiction. Used 1x per day or less the chances of addiction are practically non existent, however some people don't have the willpower to limit their use (alcohol is easier in this regard since it causes hangovers which discourage most people from 24/7 use).

 

[Bsiren]

Crazycatman: I am a crazy cat lady...LOL. But seriously- it's refreshing to know it's comparable to alcohol, as I do enjoy alcohol but I was able to control my use of it and limit to one weekend night, or sometimes happy hours. Certainly, I don't plan to get high on GHB and hit up Applebee's for happy hour :D

I am also wondering how dehydrating GHB is compared to alcohol. It's hard to get a straight answer, as there are claims that virtually every drug dehydrates, but never specifics on how, or how much.

You say 1x per day or less- that seems generous if not reasonable!

 

[FlippingTop]

getting dehydrated while using GHB is not an issue.

 

[crazycatman]

Crazycatman: I am a crazy cat lady...LOL. But seriously- it's refreshing to know it's comparable to alcohol, as I do enjoy alcohol but I was able to control my use of it and limit to one weekend night, or sometimes happy hours. Certainly, I don't plan to get high on GHB and hit up Applebee's for happy hour :D

I am also wondering how dehydrating GHB is compared to alcohol. It's hard to get a straight answer, as there are claims that virtually every drug dehydrates, but never specifics on how, or how much.

You say 1x per day or less- that seems generous if not reasonable!

2x4.5g per night is used in the treatment of narcolepsy, 1x per day is even more conservative than that

really, most of the horror stories come from people taking it 24/7 or from people taking unknown quantities

if you can avoid both of these it's quite safe as drugs go

 

[pasha]

GHB is essentially a salt. In my vast experience with this drug, it does dehydrate, it's listed as a side effect on the Xyrem data sheet, but not to the extent or the unhealthy manner that alcohol does. You may feel dried up and inclined to drink whatever is in your way. It can also stimulate my appetite to a significant degree. I get munchies on GHB more-so than on cannabis. Different people react to drugs in different ways though so this might not be the case for you.

The best thing to do on GHB is be around people, get a massage, engage in intercourse (best intercourse ever), or listen to music. Maybe do them all at the same time. This is where GHB outclasses MDMA for me, in that it suits any situation in any setting.