Misc GHB to replace alcohol

[Bsiren]

< I'm a rather thin fitness model, so I don't have a problem getting the munchies. I can stand to pack on a few

It's amazing with how unsafe and how many deaths alcohol causes, that it's the legal socially acceptable drug.

I said to a friend the other day "why is everything fun dehydrating?!", and she laughed, but it's kind of true- almost all drugs decrease hydration in some form, as does dancing, having sex, working out, sweating...grr!

 

[crazycatman]

Drugs aren't legal/illegal based on safety but on public perception. And to the general public GHB is the thing rapists use to knock out their victims.

 

[Supeudol]

Yeah GHB is a way better thing to use then alcohol for sure. And Flipping Top is so right when it comes to daily dosing. Please be careful because it feels so good that you might be tempted like I did do and then I was dosing every 2-3 hours 24-7 for at least 6 months straight. It was hard not to be without that feeling and not caring about anything at all. It makes life and music so fucking amazing. But for me coming off of it is not any where near the withdrawl one gets from alcohol where alcoholics get the Delirium Tremors and could posssibly die when they detox off it.

On a side note - I went to a rehab in arizona back in 2000 and the doctor there when I mentioned the drugs I had been using stopped me when I mentioned I was drinking lots of GHB. He looked at me very seriously and said "You know GHB is good for you don't you?". I said yes because I knew Body Builders used it for Growth Hormone releasing benefits and to get solid sleep where their bodies repaired quicker after training. But it was pretty cool to hear a doctor actually tell the truth about something that has been so demonized by the government agencies.

I have not had a dose of G in 6 or 7 years. I might just have to try it again sometime because it is so much better when your out for a night dancing and having fun and interacting with people then alcohol ever was. I miss it alot. Especially the High Grade Powder GHB. Now thats the best!!!!!

Yeah the high grade NaGHB powder is the best. I always get that whenever I'm into G. The liquid G sold on the streets is just pure shit, and so is GBL. Much more toxic, and unhealthy compared to the pure powdered NaGHB. Way safer than Alcohol, and much better for your system.

 

[Supeudol]

Drugs aren't legal/illegal based on safety but on public perception. And to the general public GHB is the thing rapists use to knock out their victims.

Alcohol is far far more of a date rape drug than GHB is. That is the biggest crock of shit that the media tries to enforce on people about GHB. The media is so full of shit.

 

[Supeudol]

I fully agree with both aspects. However, I would like stress the fact that GHB can be quite habit forming and that withdrawal is very severe (some say worse than alcohol and/or benzos) and can be life threatening once you've developed a serious dependency. If you dose cautiously and stay very mindful of when and why you use it, I'd agree that it is definitely much less unhealthy for your body than alcohol. But then again, that goes for almost any substance...

GHB withdrawal is not way worse than opiates or benzo's or alcohol at all. Its the other way around, Benzodiazepine w/d and opiate w/d (severe habits) are incredibly painful and the benzodiazepines are the worst drug to detox from because the physical withdrawal lasts forever, it doesn't end... some say it never ends.

 

[FlippingTop]

The consensus is that the withdrawals are worse, but just in the short term.

The worst of it is over in 4 days, and I would rather face GBL w/d than a strung out WD but those first 24-48 hours are hell on earth.

 

[Bsiren]

The worst come down/withdrawals I've had in my life were from alcohol. < And I have a HUGE history with MDMA. I've suffered from depersonalization for weeks from alcohol, whereas with MDMA the brain fogginess and depression was just much more manageable, even though MDMA is infamous for miserable extensive come downs.

It's the illegality of drugs that makes them unsafe, not the drugs themselves- with prohibiting a chemical, comes 0 quality regulation, or accountability on the manufacturer..not to mention it means that it means that proper education on it is extremely hard to come by. This is a huge reason I am such a fan of Bluelight- though plenty of misinfo gets purported on here, certainly it gets debunked quickly and there are so many well informed people on here contributing.

GHB is actually a prescription for narcolepsy called Xyrem, but it's extremely expensive, not covered my insurance, and difficult to acquire because...it can be! I imagine many people suffering from narcolepsy are forced to acquire "street GHB" because of how expensive the prescription is.

I know many body builders/fitness models who really enjoyed the benefits of GHB on muscle recovery, not to mention it's enjoyable to them and they don't suffer the effects that alcohol takes on their body.

I've done a ton of trip report reading, and it's clear many people DO suffer after abusing GHB, GBL and 1,4 Butanediol. I think there certainly has to be a down side with every drug, but with this one it seems that perhaps if you use it responsibly and have a good product, it's quite lovely and can be void of a dark side/come down. Maybe I'm wrong, everyone is different- I hope I get to find out soon though, I'm confident it could be a really sensual, fun experience!

 

[Valkyrie]

I use speed and G instead of alcohol at pretty much all social events - clubs, pubs, parties, weddings, barbecues, football etc. I just use a dose 3/4 of what I would do home and less frequently to avoid going under, the speed stops this anyway. Instead of getting the full on twattedness of a full dose it just makes me happier and more sociable.

I knew Body Builders used it for Growth Hormone

Both me and my OH have quite toned muscles. I do sit ups and he's a builder but we don't do any proper exercise or work outs. It can only be the G that's done it cos we never used to have them. Just gotta watch the munchies (gb greedies) though

It's use as a "date rape drug" was wildly exaggerated by the media in the 90's.

Unfortunately that was all the authorities knew it as. When we went to court the prosecutor's opening line was, "GBL, a date rape drug." We interrupted her, got it adjourned and had it withdrawn. We hadn't even been charged for the GBL as it was legal at the time. She was using it to paint a nasty picture of us.

GHB/GBL is only neurotoxic/excitotoxic during withdrawal. Many sources suggest that it can actually be neuroprotective.

There was a study about 10 years ago with GHB in rats. The web site has disappeared but Shambles quotes from it HERE. The GHB rats also devoloped fewer tumours, if I remember right.

^ The problem with GHB, is it's probably the most drug were an individual can become addicted to it and lead a sustainable, and improved lifestyle. When you have a drug that diminishes anxiety and depression, while also improving sex, focus, and drive, with limited toxicity it can become very easy to fall into a 24/7 dosing cycle. Especially that as a psychological fix, it's superior to anything in the world IMO. Many people argue that anyone can survive the 'take it or leave it' test with GHB, but it's not really a craving for me that causes the addiction, but rather an inner satisfaction and desire to continue taking this drug that significantly improves quality of life, until you approach withdrawal.

This is so true. I take it for a few days at a time and at low doses it makes me so efficient and enthusiastic that I can get loads done. But it's very easy to get side tracked and spend all day posting on the web cos it makes everything so interesting! I don't dare to do it more than a few days at a time so I don't find it a problem stopping. I take phenibut to help me sleep on the first night.

 

[xxxyyy]

yes i would agree that it is very easy to get a habit with the stuff. especially since GBL is still legal here and dirt cheap, i just bought 2.5l because that could change soon. i'm unfortunately out of both benzos and pregabalin and GBL/GHB also works great for anxiety. it was either GBL or etizolam, and the former is definitely more fun.
also on the withdrawal issue, cold GBL withdrawal after several months of 24/7 dosing habit was way, way worse than any alcohol WD i ever suffered, and i was dependent on alcohol for years. can't comment on the benzo WD though, since i never really developed a full-blown physical addiction to them. i've overused them in the past, and in consequence had horrible rebound anxiety, insomnia and worsening of depression, but i've never used them daily so that's one bullet i somehow managed to dodge. fuck knows how though.

oh and on the date rape issue i remember reading some study years ago that showed that of suspected date rapes most were just drunk, only in marginally small number were any drugs involved. flunitrazepam, which is widely believed to be popular for this purpose, was almost never found. i mean it's a schedule 1 drug just because of media hype. it's recently been rescheduled here too, but because it was by far the most popular and widely abused benzodiazepine. which is a pity, as it is by far the most fun benzo i ever tried.

 

[electrodevo]

Drugs aren't legal/illegal based on safety but on public perception. And to the general public GHB is the thing rapists use to knock out their victims.

In the 1990s, I remember that GHB had a horrible reputation at least among the circle of ravers I encountered, this is because of the potentially deadly GHB + alcohol combination (respiratory depression).

But yes, as long as you avoid alcohol, GHB is better for your system. Then again, I think most other GABAergic drugs are better for your system than alcohol (phenibut and kava for instance).