GHB/1,4-B/GBL Discussion and use

[MR Candyslut]

^ are you for real? "With responsible use it is very hard to blowout?"

How's that work when it is so difficult to gauge purity? Especially if you have already dosed?

 

[Splatt]

Some people are just lucky with sources. If you're a G fiend it's pretty easy to tell even with most street stuff on purity. Start with your normal dose on an empty stomach (and even empty bowels make a difference or tiredness), wait for effects... if they dont come like they should wait 2-3 hours.. dose again with a slightly higher dosage until you find your sweet spot.. It may not happen overnight (ifd the purity sucks), but it will happen.

 

[college_dropout]

^ are you for real? "With responsible use it is very hard to blowout?"

How's that work when it is so difficult to gauge purity? Especially if you have already dosed?

I got pure 1,4B off a mate. And since I'm pretty impatient I'd just wait until the peak effects of the first dose to hit, guage how fucked up I was then do another ml if I felt I could handle it. Wait about half an hour to see the results. And kept going along those lines alternating between taking 1ml to 0.5ml, or sometimes 1.5ml, until I hit the spot I wanted to be at in my high. That'd only be if the first dose didn't get me where I wanted. I couldn't stand waiting around another 3 hours to redose, it'd drive you nuts.

But yeah, it worked. I got so rotten many times without ever feeling like I was gonna pass out or throw up. In fact the only time I took too much was after dropping 5.5 hits of acid but the acid kept me up and moving, came close to vomiting however.


edit* - Sorry lil angel, should've included that it was a 1:1 ratio.

 

[lil angel15]

C_D - If you haven't already, I suggest reading the Final of the GHB/1,4-B/GBL FAQ.

I have noticed some of your posts regarding G recently and some of them are a little concerning to say the least. Don't end up as just another statistic.

 

[MR Candyslut]

Some people are just lucky with sources. If you're a G fiend it's pretty easy to tell even with most street stuff on purity. Start with your normal dose on an empty stomach (and even empty bowels make a difference or tiredness), wait for effects... if they dont come like they should wait 2-3 hours.. dose again with a slightly higher dosage until you find your sweet spot.. It may not happen overnight (ifd the purity sucks), but it will happen.

I don't care if someone is a g fiend or not. Re-dosing throughout the night is a sure fire way to G out, sooner or later. Regardless of how much experience you have had. And whilst I know that you have different opinions than mine on g'ing out, I am pretty surprised that people involved in harm minimisation forum can honestly advocate such practices as being safe.

Yeah yeah - I know that you once you get a bit of experience with G it is not so black and white. But seriously, for people who are just starting to experiment with the drug???

 

[thinkpink]

I had 2mls of my stuff on the wknd (after being out all night and at a recovery all day) and g'd out. Apparently some fun bed type things happened before my bf and I fell asleep, but I don't remember, this is the reason I tell anyone who is planning on trying it to dose low and be around people you trust.

 

[college_dropout]

Light --> 0.5 - 1.5 g
Common --> 1 - 2.5 g
Strong --> 2 - 3.5 g
Can induce heavy sleep --> 3 - 5 g
Overdose --> 5 - 10 g
Poisoning (Risk of Death)--> 10+ g

That chart reinforces that I was using it responsibly.

 

[Splatt]

I don't care if someone is a g fiend or not. Re-dosing throughout the night is a sure fire way to G out, sooner or later. Regardless of how much experience you have had. And whilst I know that you have different opinions than mine on g'ing out, I am pretty surprised that people involved in harm minimisation forum can honestly advocate such practices as being safe.

Yeah yeah - I know that you once you get a bit of experience with G it is not so black and white. But seriously, for people who are just starting to experiment with the drug???

Actually I've never recommended anyone take my doses or have as much as me. Thats just the way I do it. The "peak" effects for me are simular to ecstasy without the mind mush and actually more enjoyable without much of a comedown, except a headache from not drinking water.

I'd rather G be left to the people that know it well, for a beginner I'd never just hand out a dose I do. It also depends ALOT on weight, if you've had a shit that day, and natural GABA drug tolerances. I don't want to hand out any info. But when I see people telling ME, after I know my doses saying I could kill myself etc... it kind of gets to me. Any time anyone has ever had G for their first time, I always work out their weight and ask if they have eaten etc. Most don't seem to care so I pretty much push these rules to any newbies that I know are having G near me.

Redosing is actually pretty silly, I can go through 15mls in a day of GBL or more of 1,4B and because I'm not redosing with big quantities, so it isn't having the full effect it is just keeping me at a level.. I know my body, my doses and times. Non experienced users, or sometimes even common users don't do this or ignore it. Another problem is G brings out a very MORE-ish personality, so G-out's can occur that way easily.. you think you're not high enough and you need another full charge only after an hour or 45 min.. I _try_ to not do that and would never let anyone in my company do it. But things like eating food and not using as much energy can help you from G'ing out... but for some it can actually increase blowing out.... lying on your back is a sure way to induce hypnotic shallow breathing and you will G out very easily from that, even on a moderate dose on an empty stomach.

If anyones interested in the drug, read the guide, read all you can, know your source as well as you can, and just start low with every batch.. and don't redose until its about 2-3 hours later. But I'd rather less people take it so it doesn't get so much bad publicity.

Used properly it can convert a comedown hell into a near complete repair. Used properly it can be a subtle mood enhancer or a very euphoric drug, just by knowing yourself, your dose and the G in general. Hell, it was even used as an anti-aging tool for older people when it was legal and quite successfully. It seems to stimulate repair on the body, cuts, gashes etc... (of course not directly applied, taken orally...) which I think is just amazing, while all other drugs seem to do the opposite.

 

[Splatt]

I had 2mls of my stuff on the wknd (after being out all night and at a recovery all day) and g'd out. Apparently some fun bed type things happened before my bf and I fell asleep, but I don't remember, this is the reason I tell anyone who is planning on trying it to dose low and be around people you trust.

I find a good way to find out how sensative you will be to it is how sensative you are to alcohol. And I don't mean the habitual psychological effects, I mean how quickly drunk you get, and if you feel smashed off a couple of standard drinks either steer clear or take 1m-1.5ml max, and wait 3 hours before u try again, or the next day even, this is a warning especially for the girls.

 

[ilikeacid]

With 1,4-b I find you have to be really carful because of the time it takes to FULLY convert into GHB in your body.

A few times I've dosed around 2.3ml (im pretty small so that does me nicely) and then gone about my day and generally felt fine, then BAM an hour after first dosing I can go cross-eyed and have head spins and all the other close to Ging out symptoms. And this can be on an empty stomach too!!

So be carful 1,4b users, depending on how enzyme rich your liver is can have a big effect on how long it takes to reach peak effects. This can be a VERY bad thing to figure out if your out or at work where lying down is really not an option lol ; )

 

[juice_soldier]

i take 3-5ml.. 5ml and after seem to cause sleep..

 

[thinkpink]

I find a good way to find out how sensative you will be to it is how sensative you are to alcohol. And I don't mean the habitual psychological effects, I mean how quickly drunk you get, and if you feel smashed off a couple of standard drinks either steer clear or take 1m-1.5ml max, and wait 3 hours before u try again, or the next day even, this is a warning especially for the girls.

When I was younger I could handle 15 standard drinks in an hour but now I get quite tipsy off 3 standard drinks, but its more to do with the fact that I only drink once every two months I guess, so I'm not sure how this advice would help... ? But I do think you are right, haha, if that makes sense. One friend was given 1ml on her bday and she ended up masturbating under a blanket in a room full of people 8) She's quite the cadbury when it comes to drinking. Needless to say she doesn't get g anymore.

 

[Splatt]

This is for the newbies that aren't reading the thread in full or the FAQ by apollo or other resources before trying this magical drug everyone is talking about...

The Stages of G:

Im not going to say doses because if you read the thread and FAQ doses and types of G can be quite dramatically different.. just have a back read and be safe.

Low dose : relaxing but very subtle. Simular to a clean small drink of alcohol if that makes sense but not as groggy. Hunger stimulation. Stress fades

Medium dose: Euphoric, Uplifting. Like gentle ecstasy without the thinking. Drunk co-ordination and forgetting problems. Can get pretty hungry.

Highish dose: Very euphoric but you can sometime be fighting to not lay down or close the eyes, which can lead to a bit of a sleep.

High dose: Well, all of the above effects, but the come up is pretty damn intense but this WILL most likely happen. Kids, does that look fun? It may to some people. But a little bit higher and you won't be able to be woken up very easily. Sometimes when you are woken from a G sleep you canb be quite frightened, so I'm not sure how safe it is to be in a very low breath deep sleep and slow heart rate, and then get a scare. It normally causes people to do some pretty silly looking shit. Or just trying and forcing yourself to stay awake on it, naturally or using stimulants.

Just a warning for anyone thinking to try G because of this thread. I consider it safe if administered properly (which depends on so many things, source, type of G, body weight, stomach/bowel fullness, other drugs present in the system, how much sleep you got, your liver, and a lot more.. thats why u ALWAYS start low with every batch, as low as possible). But would you like to be like that guy in the video inside a club? Probably not. If you're going to try it please get someone sober to be around your first tie, or an experienced user, and make them hide the G from you to stop you redosing in G-Greed.

Party safe and look after yourselves.

 

[lil angel15]

Good post Splatt.

The majority of problems with 'G' come from four major areas IMO. These being;

1. Purity;
2. Re-dosing;
3. Poly use;
4. Actual substance.

PURITY - The purity of your substance may be different from batch to batch - even if it's from the same dealer within a short period of time. This can be due to a variety of reasons including supply, dilution and motive. For this reason, it is extremely important that you undertake test dosing until you are able to gauge the potency of your latest purchase, and then, dose accordingly until you purchase your next batch - whereby the cycle starts again. NEVER take the word of your dealer as to the purity of your product - it's your life we're talking about.

RE-DOSING - Re-dosing with 'G' is a dangerous practice which should be avoided if possible. The problem with re-dosing is that there is no 'safe' way of doing it. The main problems that arise from re-dosing are doing it too early or not taking into account your previous doses. If you are going to re-dose ensure you have waited at least 2 hours and that each subsequent dose is smaller than the last. There is no chart that will show how much you should decrease your dose or how long you should wait. If in doubt, don't re-dose.

POLY USE - The use of other drugs with 'G' can either potentiate or dull the effects. The use of 'G' with CNS depressants can dramatically increase the chances of 'blowing out', suffering respiratory depression and possibly even death. Something that is often overlooked is the fact that alcohol is a depressant and should never be mixed with 'G'. The use of stimulants can often counteract the effects of 'G' with larger doses needed than when not under the influence of a stimulant. This obviously needs to be taken into account if 'G' has primarily been used with stimulants and then doses are to be taken without them.

ACTUAL SUBSTANCE - The actual substance people have is often unknown. A great deal of people refer to GHB, GBL and 1,4-B as simply 'G', whether this be because of ignorance or laziness, and this can cause numerous problems. 1g of GHB is equivalent to 1ml of 1,4-B whereas 1ml of GBL is equivalent to 1.6g of GHB - which are simply approximates whilst in their pure form. What else needs to be considered is the time it takes the body to process each of these substances, which in turn relates directly to how long it takes the substance to reach full effects and also how long it takes them to leave the body. A new user who has been taking 3ml charges of GHB with no problems then gets a new batch of 'G' which is actually GBL, doesn't test dose and then doses 3ml of GBL could face some problems. There are numerous other problems that can be encountered between the different substances but most can be overcome by test dosing.

The four problems described above are not an exhaustive list of the problems encountered with 'G', rather, it is my opinion of what causes the majority of problems associated with its use.

The dose/response curve of 'G' is extremely steep with desired effects and undesired effects closely located in regards to dosage.

Know your substance, know your limits and be smart.

 

[Splatt]

Not exhaustive but informative enough for thread/post skippers looking to jump straight into this "new" drug. Peo0ple might actually look at the headings and read instead of listening to their dealer. An example of what can happen believing dealers is shown in this post

I don't think re-dosing is actually needed at all even after a few hours if you are seeking for that same buzz you had earlier, it just doesan't happen. The tolerance is just there until a sleep, or a few days even. Anyone looking to get into it be aware that the addiction potential is very high. When I go through every day dosings for a few weeks or a month or so, I basically need to convert for benzos or alcohol to stop myself from feeling sick. GABA drug addictions are really bad, but not as bad as heroin and other opiates ofcourse. I find if you push yourself hard enough (or your source doesn't have any) it only takes a day or so to stop the sick feelings where you think you NEED G. But the cravings will stay for a long time, in that meth type of way.

 

[who_can_say]

^ Those last few posts are ace.

I think re-dosing is fine if youre doing it sensibly (i.e. not mixing it with other depressants, not having too much in the dose, spacing it out at least two hours, etc etc). Maybe because I dont use G all that often, I still get the high from re-dosing.

And again, great posts.

 

[ilikeacid]

I had a bottle of pure 1,4-b with about 50ml in it. Because of the cold weather it always froze pretty easily, fixed simply by puting the bottle in front of the heater for a few mins or in the sink with hot water.

Now very recently I was sold some 1,4-b that I suspect has been watered down at least 10%. I suspect this because I put the new stuff in the same bottle with the frozen stuff, which was obviously all frozen at the bottom, and the new stuff froze to an extent, but the very top layer there is about 10-15ml of what I suspect is water from the dealers mixing of the 1,4.

I know 1,4-b will have a freezing temp of 20-21 degrees (its colder than that where I am so my stuff is always frozen) so what would the freezing point be of say 70ml 1,4-b with 10ml of water added? Would a layer on top of unfrozen product in an otherwise compleately frozen bottle suggest that my dealer has in-fact watered down my apparently "pure" 1,4-b?

 

[Chesai]

Am going to refer back to Splatt.

Sensitivity is the key.

I have 4 drinks and am fairly well smashed or very much on my way. (unless it's that pixie piss beer!) So that tells me my body has little tolerance.(try as i have to train it, it fails) I may try to push it, and it kicks me in the ass.

So if you find that you (or a friend) have a small tolerance for other things - alcohol included!!!! Reel it back for a while, it's pretty sneaky. IE: you may think you're all good, and then 2 hours (or 8-10!) later, kaboom. For persons who have to watch intake.... just wait..... it might not happen this hour, but it will happen. Wait fora re-dose. Chances are you don't actually need it - your body is playing silly buggers with you.

So let it settle........ see how you go.... and monitor it! oh, and don't redose on the proviso that 'ya got nuthin' cos chances are you did..... it just may take a bit.... safe fun is good fun.

 

[juice_soldier]

I had a bottle of pure 1,4-b with about 50ml in it. Because of the cold weather it always froze pretty easily, fixed simply by puting the bottle in front of the heater for a few mins or in the sink with hot water.

Now very recently I was sold some 1,4-b that I suspect has been watered down at least 10%. I suspect this because I put the new stuff in the same bottle with the frozen stuff, which was obviously all frozen at the bottom, and the new stuff froze to an extent, but the very top layer there is about 10-15ml of what I suspect is water from the dealers mixing of the 1,4.

I know 1,4-b will have a freezing temp of 20-21 degrees (its colder than that where I am so my stuff is always frozen) so what would the freezing point be of say 70ml 1,4-b with 10ml of water added? Would a layer on top of unfrozen product in an otherwise compleately frozen bottle suggest that my dealer has in-fact watered down my apparently "pure" 1,4-b?

If you check MSDS sheets, it seems to vary from around 16degrees to 21degrees c.

If what you have on top is indeed 'water' how about putting the bottle in the fridge and seeing if the rest of the sample freezes - water won't freeze at a temp above 0, and water/1,4-b freezing points jump around unbelievably depending on the dilution ratio. basically proving that if it does indeed freeze at a temp above 0, that its highly unlikely what you have is water.

 

[Immortal Teknique]

Good thread, props to all have contributed. GHB was something i said i'd never try, i guess you could say the media hype had me convinced for a while that it was deadly stuff but i can see through that now.

I plan on trying it for the first time this weekend. Some experienced mates are saying it will probably be 1,4-B. Ive read this thread but i would like to know, im 6"3', 95kg's and was wondering if it would be dangerous to maybe start with a 1-1.5ml charge, rather than something like a 0.5ml. From what ive read in this thread redosing needs to be done several hours afterwards however i wanna get trashed at the same time as all my mates, not have to wait 2-3 hours til i can join them.

I know its very dependant on purity, but in any case, pretty weak or relatively strong (i highly doubt it will be pure) would i find myself in any trouble if i was too take 1.5ml at the start?

This may be seen as dosage advice and in a way it is, but i want advice on a decision ive already made. I want to take 1.5ml but would like opinions so i think maybe this doesn't bend any rules?