jambabomba
Bluelighter
Well my thread (my experimental withdrawal from gabaergics) had been moved to ADD ahcieves and I couldn't reply there. This maybe isn't very advanced but if you like to move it to ADD and that original thread that is fine to me. Just a short update of my thoughts about GHRP:s and GH roles in recovery from withdrawals.
Well last time I stopped my many months benzo usage very fast (at the beginning of summer) and didn't taper much but it went very smoothly compared to year 2008 when I last withdrew. Well what was different I had lyrica and phenibut (allthough I have builded tolerance to most of their effects because I have been using lyrica three years and phenibut a year) and I was fasting and using GHRP:s. That how well it went supprised me. I speculated that one reason was because of ketogenic diet and GHRP.
About month after I had quite benzos this summer I started using them again only two or three weeks everyday. I knew I would have again withdrawals because there was only about month break from last withdrawals so I was still recovering and thinking that I would have withdrawals again BUT I thought also that it wasn't so bad last time so I would go through it again.
And this time I did it without GHRP and not as intensive fasting/ketosis. And this has been such a shit now! Last time I did about the same regimen: after last xanax I took two days valium, 10mg and 5mg and stopped. This time I did allmost identically rapid tapering with xanax and temazepam and took last two days valium 10mg and 5mg. Differences has been:
1) Last time my withdrawals lasted about one week after last valium and then my mood brightened very well along with the symptoms disappeared. Now it has been 15 (fifteen!) days and I have still bad withdrawal symptoms ex. my eye is still constantly twitching, muscle have tremors, hands are shaking and now I have become allso extremely fatiqued. Allso my panics and anxietys have been much worse and frightening.
2) I have lost weight about 10lbs. Last time I did loose 0lbs!
3) My strenght has gone very down about 30% decrease. Last time it didn't.
4) My sleep has been much worse even though I had been taking phenibut 10g wich I didn't need last time.
Overall this has been much worse experience without GHRP. It is allmost similarly to year 2008 experience when I also didn't had that extra GH. I have still headache wich I had only minor then.
The difference has been so HUGE that it is hard to believe anymore this is placebo. Tomorrow I'll propably start taking GHRP again and if you don't delete this I can update if that is going to make difference.
I think it's logical to assume that GH would help and shorten withdrawals as it does shorten recovery from any kind of physical traumas as well. After all brain is allso a physical organ wich has receptor to GH. It has been shown to speed up process of fracture or muscle healing and it has been used for burn victims. GHRH dosing has been allso shown to prevent and/or reverse dementia. Also speaking of PAWS.. Now I have a feeling I might get (or might have allready) PAWS, last time I didn't get absolutely nothing. Maybe there really happens some damage to brain cells during withdrawals and that is what causes PAWS and if there is a powerful neuroprotectant like GH that will eliminate the cause of PAWS.
- Young people has more growth hormone and they recover better than older
- Bucklecroft Rudy pasted this link in opiates and brain damage thread: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=can-hgh-reverse-brain-dam
"The team isolated developing nerve cells from a mouse fetus in petri dishes and bathed them in morphine for a week; they added synthetic growth hormone to some of the cultures. Their findings: cells exposed only to morphine began to die off, but those also infused with HGH persisted and, in some cases, increased."
It would be very interesting to see studies done with recovering addicts given GHRP. I bet results would be very good even better than with synthetic GH because of natural pulsatile secretion GHRP:s create.
If someone else here is soon going through withdrawals AND has done that before (so know what to compare) I would be very interested to hear what experience other people have with GHRP. If someone is interested to try those during withdrawals?
Well last time I stopped my many months benzo usage very fast (at the beginning of summer) and didn't taper much but it went very smoothly compared to year 2008 when I last withdrew. Well what was different I had lyrica and phenibut (allthough I have builded tolerance to most of their effects because I have been using lyrica three years and phenibut a year) and I was fasting and using GHRP:s. That how well it went supprised me. I speculated that one reason was because of ketogenic diet and GHRP.
About month after I had quite benzos this summer I started using them again only two or three weeks everyday. I knew I would have again withdrawals because there was only about month break from last withdrawals so I was still recovering and thinking that I would have withdrawals again BUT I thought also that it wasn't so bad last time so I would go through it again.
And this time I did it without GHRP and not as intensive fasting/ketosis. And this has been such a shit now! Last time I did about the same regimen: after last xanax I took two days valium, 10mg and 5mg and stopped. This time I did allmost identically rapid tapering with xanax and temazepam and took last two days valium 10mg and 5mg. Differences has been:
1) Last time my withdrawals lasted about one week after last valium and then my mood brightened very well along with the symptoms disappeared. Now it has been 15 (fifteen!) days and I have still bad withdrawal symptoms ex. my eye is still constantly twitching, muscle have tremors, hands are shaking and now I have become allso extremely fatiqued. Allso my panics and anxietys have been much worse and frightening.
2) I have lost weight about 10lbs. Last time I did loose 0lbs!
3) My strenght has gone very down about 30% decrease. Last time it didn't.
4) My sleep has been much worse even though I had been taking phenibut 10g wich I didn't need last time.
Overall this has been much worse experience without GHRP. It is allmost similarly to year 2008 experience when I also didn't had that extra GH. I have still headache wich I had only minor then.
The difference has been so HUGE that it is hard to believe anymore this is placebo. Tomorrow I'll propably start taking GHRP again and if you don't delete this I can update if that is going to make difference.
I think it's logical to assume that GH would help and shorten withdrawals as it does shorten recovery from any kind of physical traumas as well. After all brain is allso a physical organ wich has receptor to GH. It has been shown to speed up process of fracture or muscle healing and it has been used for burn victims. GHRH dosing has been allso shown to prevent and/or reverse dementia. Also speaking of PAWS.. Now I have a feeling I might get (or might have allready) PAWS, last time I didn't get absolutely nothing. Maybe there really happens some damage to brain cells during withdrawals and that is what causes PAWS and if there is a powerful neuroprotectant like GH that will eliminate the cause of PAWS.
- Young people has more growth hormone and they recover better than older
- Bucklecroft Rudy pasted this link in opiates and brain damage thread: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=can-hgh-reverse-brain-dam
"The team isolated developing nerve cells from a mouse fetus in petri dishes and bathed them in morphine for a week; they added synthetic growth hormone to some of the cultures. Their findings: cells exposed only to morphine began to die off, but those also infused with HGH persisted and, in some cases, increased."
It would be very interesting to see studies done with recovering addicts given GHRP. I bet results would be very good even better than with synthetic GH because of natural pulsatile secretion GHRP:s create.
If someone else here is soon going through withdrawals AND has done that before (so know what to compare) I would be very interested to hear what experience other people have with GHRP. If someone is interested to try those during withdrawals?