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Getting searched by the police...

Mr Blonde

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On Saturday night, my friends were walking along the street at about 10pm when they were stopped by the police. They were carrying a bag belonging to one of my friends, lets call him S. The bag had lots of beer bottles in it. The cops searched his bag, but didn't take any of the beer. They asked him if some dirt in the bag was drugs. The cops then searched all of their wallets, and asked one of them if he used his credit card to chop up speed. They asked where a party was, and apparently went and broke it up afterwards. I'm not too sure about that last one though...

Is this legal? I hope not! 8o

Edit: One more thing, they had to empty their pockets as well.
 
im not an expert on australian law,but alot of the time they trick people into 'letting' them look in the bag etc..?if they ask and you say yes they can have a look etc then they have every rite to, but if you either ask why/on what grounds or for what reason they want to search you they must provide a reason and tell you under what law!in most countrys the police have to have or be able to prove they had just cause to conduct the search....i.e smelled cannabis and searched under the misuse of drugs act..
 
All sounds legal to me. They can ask as many questions as they like, trick is you only have to answer certain questions, the others you can simply use your rights to silence. Always make sure you get the coppers information in situations like this, so if later you do find out they did something illegal you can report them.
 
The laws vary from state to state when it comes to searches. I'm assuming from your profile that this occured in QLD so I have included some information that may help.

POLICE SEARCHES

Protection of the individual rights of personal freedom, privacy, dignity and property is a central plank of the law. Clearly, police searches intrude upon those rights. The law of search and seizure attempts to strike a balance between the community interest in effective law enforcement and the maintenance of individual rights and freedoms.

A network of Commonwealth and State legislation sets out the specific circumstances in which the police may stop and search a person or vehicle, and/or enter a private place and seize evidence. As well as outlining the nature of police powers, the law also sets out the way in which the powers must be exercised.

In Queensland, the primary pieces of legislation which govern search and seizure are the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act 2000 (Qld), the Drugs Misuse Act 1986 (Qld) and the Criminal Code (Qld). The Crimes Act 1914 (Cth) also contains provisions relevant to search and seizure under commonwealth law.

In the event that you believe that your property has been wrongfully seized, there are a number of ways in which you can apply for its return at law. It is important to realise that searches without a warrant may be justifiable in certain circumstances.


SEARCHES - GENERAL PRINCIPLES

Legal Rights and Duties of the Police

The police have no general power to randomly stop and search people, or their homes. However, legislation exists that permits the police to search persons, places and vehicles when investigating crime. Such searches may occur either with or without a search warrant.

In certain circumstances the police can lawfully conduct searches on the spot without a warrant. Substantial penalties apply to persons who resist or obstruct a legitimate and lawful police search.


Types of Searches

Essentially, there are three types of police searches:

  • personal searches;
  • vehicle searches; and
  • premises searches.


Searches of Persons in Custody

Searches of persons lawfully detained in custody are the subject of separate rules. Persons in custody may be searched and re-searched as is necessary to locate, seize and retain items which may:

  • be evidence of the commission of an offence;
  • be used to facilitate escape; or
  • endanger anyone’s safety.

Whether or not the measures employed by the police during the search of a person in custody are reasonable will depend on the likelihood that the person may attempt to commit an offence, escape or endanger the safety of another, in all the circumstances of the case.


Unlawful Searches

In every case where an illegitimate search is being conducted, it is permissible for a person to use force to resist. Moreover, persons who suffer as a result of an illegitimate search may have a criminal action in assault, as well as a civil action in trespass, against the offending police officer(s).

One must always be very careful about resisting a search however, because the police have very wide search powers, and heavy penalties apply for obstructing a legitimate search.


POLICE POWERS OF ENTRY, INQUIRY AND INSPECTION

Entry and Search of Public Places

Police officers have general powers of entry, inquiry and inspection of public places. For example, an officer is permitted to enter any public place such as a nightclub, hotel, casino or show ground to:

  • serve a document, or
  • investigate an alleged offence, a missing person report, or a traffic incident report.


Entry and Search of Other Places

Police officers are also permitted to enter business offices, home garages and backyard areas for the above purposes. Upon entry, officers may stay in those places for a ‘reasonable time’. A reasonable time to stay at a place is determined according to the time that is necessary for the officer to perform the function with which he or she is involved. The police may not use excessive force to enter a place.

The general powers of entry held by the police do not permit officers to enter a private dwelling without an occupier’s consent. An officer is required to obtain a search warrant to enter a private dwelling, other than in the exceptional circumstances discussed below.


Entry and Search for Arrest

Police officers are empowered to enter and stay on a private dwelling or other place, including a vehicle, to arrest or detain a person. An officer may only enter and search a private dwelling for arrest if holding a reasonable suspicion that the person being pursued is at the dwelling. Upon entry, the officer has the power to search the place for that person.


Entry and Search to Enforce Licensing Laws

Police officers also have a broad-based power of entry and search to ensure compliance with statutory licensing rules (ie, licenced premises serving liquor, second-hand dealerships, weapons licensees). For example, a police officer may enter and inspect a hotel to monitor compliance with the Liquor Act, or a licensed brothel to enforce the provisions of the Prostitution Act 1999 (Qld).


SEARCHES UNDER WARRANT

Issue of Search Warrants for Places

Under the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act 2000 (Qld) the police may apply for a search warrant allowing them to enter and search a place (including a vehicle) to obtain evidence of the commission of any offence. To obtain a search warrant, the officer must be able to show reasonable grounds for suspecting that evidence of the commission of an offence is at the place or is likely to be taken to the place within the next 72 hours.

A Supreme Court judge must issue a search warrant if the search will cause structural damage to a building. A justice of the peace may issue a search warrant in most other circumstances.

Importantly, a person searched under a search warrant issued by an inappropriate judicial officer may be able to challenge the validity of the search, and the admissibility of any evidence seized.


SEARCHING PERSONS, VEHICLES AND PLACES WITHOUT A WARRANT

Searching Persons without a Warrant

The Police Powers and Responsibilities Act permits police officers to search persons without a warrant.

The authority of the police to search a person without a warrant is dependent upon the existence of a ‘prescribed circumstance’. If a police officer reasonably suspects that a ‘prescribed circumstance’ exists. The prescribed circumstances in which an officer may search a person without a warrant includes circumstances in which the person is reasonably suspected to be in possession of:

  • a weapon, knife or explosive;
  • an item which the person intends to use to cause harm to any person;
  • a dangerous drug;
  • stolen, illegally obtained or tainted property;
  • evidence of the commission of an offence punishable by a minimum of seven (7) years imprisonment, which the police officer reasonably suspects may be concealed or destroyed if a search is not conducted;
  • an implement of housebreaking, motor vehicle theft or drug use.


Searching Vehicles without a Warrant

An identical set of rules apply to police searches of vehicles without a search warrant. A police officer may stop and search a vehicle, together with anything in it, if any of the above ‘prescribed circumstances’ exist.

When searching a vehicle, the police are allowed to enter, re-enter and stay in the vehicle as often, and for as long, as is necessary to properly carry out their search. The police also have the power to move a vehicle to an appropriate place for a search, in particular if it is impracticable to search the vehicle where stopped.


Searching Public Places without a Warrant

It is legal for a police officer to enter and stay on a public place, without a search warrant and for a reasonable time. If the place is accessible to the public when open, but is presently closed, the police officer may only search the place with the consent of the occupier, or by way of a search warrant. A cinema is an example of such a place.


SEARCH AND SEIZURE UNDER THE DRUGS MISUSE ACT 1986 (QLD)

The Drugs Misuse Act 1986 (Qld), gives the police wide-ranging powers of search and seizure in respect of vehicles, persons and places which may contain evidence of drug offences. Police powers of search and seizure under the Drugs Misuse Act compliment those already discussed. Importantly, the Act provides for searches both with and without a search warrant.


Search of Persons without a Search Warrant

If a police officer reasonably suspects that a person is in possession of:

  • a dangerous drug;
  • evidence of a drug offence;
  • a chemical used, or a piece of property contaminated by a chemical used, in the manufacture of a dangerous drug; and/or
  • any property or funds associated with a drug offence

The officer may stop and search the person, together with anything in possession of the person. If it is not practicable for the officer to conduct a search of the person where stopped, the officer may take the person, together with anything in possession of the person, to another place to be searched.

Any evidence of a drug offence, and/or thing liable to forfeiture, may be seized.


Body Cavity Searches without a Search Warrant

A police officer of the rank of inspector or higher who suspects that a person has a dangerous drug hidden within a body cavity, has the power to require that person to submit to a body cavity search.

The search must be conducted by a person of the same sex as the person being searched, or a nominated medical practitioner and assistant. The search may be conducted using such force as is reasonably necessary. A machine, instrument or device may be used for the purpose of the search.


Searches of Places with a Search Warrant

A police officer may apply for a warrant authorising the search of a place in connection with a drug offence. A justice of the peace may issue the warrant if satisfied that the officer has reasonable grounds to suspect that a search of the place may reveal evidence of a drug offence.


Searches of Places without a Search Warrant

The police have wide powers of search and seizure in respect of private dwellings and business premises under the Drugs Misuse Act. An officer may enter a place and search without a search warrant, if the officer has a reasonable suspicion that either:

  • evidence of a drug offence; or
  • anything liable to forfeiture

is in the place, or in the possession of a person in, or about the place, and it will be concealed or destroyed unless the place is immediately entered and searched.


Searches of Vehicles without a Search Warrant

Similarly, a police officer may stop and search a vehicle, as well as anything in it, if the officer reasonably suspects that the vehicle contains:

  • evidence of a drug offence; or
  • anything liable to forfeiture.


STATUTORY SAFEGUARDS FOR SEARCHES

Safeguards for Personal Searches

The law requires that police officers do everything possible to protect the dignity and privacy of persons being searched. Accordingly, the police must take measures to:

  • ensure that the search causes minimal embarrassment to the person; and
  • restrict searches conducted in public to an examination of outer clothing.


Personal Searches involving the Removal of Clothing

A police officer may require a person to remove some or all of their clothing for the purpose of a lawful search. In such circumstances, the officer must inform the person that they will be required to remove their clothing and why the search is necessary, as well as asking the person for their co-operation.

Unless an immediate search is necessary, the officer conducting a search involving the removal of clothing must be the same sex as the person being searched, or a doctor. Moreover, such searches must be conducted in a way that provides reasonable privacy for the person being searched.

Finally, the search must be conducted as quickly as possible, with the person being allowed to dress as soon as the search in completed. No officer is permitted to make contact with the genital or anal areas of the person, but may make a visual inspection. If clothing is seized during the search, the person must be given appropriate clothing to wear.


Personal Searches near Video Cameras

If the area in which a person is being searched is monitored by a video camera, that camera must be turned off, or the search conducted out of view of the camera. The rule applies unless the person viewing the monitor is a police officer of the same sex as the person being searched.


Special Requirements for Searching Children & Impaired Persons

A “support person” must be present at the search of a child, or at the search of any person who may not understand the purpose of the search. A support person for a child is usually a parent or guardian of the child, or a lawyer acting for the child. However, a police officer may conduct a search of a child or intellectually impaired person without a support person given a reasonable suspicion that to delay the search would endanger the safety of a person, or result is evidence being lost, concealed or destroyed.


Safeguards for Vehicle Searches

A police officer has the power to move a vehicle to any place for the purpose of a search. However, before moving a vehicle, the officer must consider whether the search will be more effective at the other place. The person from whom the vehicle was seized has a right to be told where the vehicle is to be taken, and to be present during the search.


Obstructing Searches of Persons or Vehicles

It is an offence to obstruct a lawful police search, or to fail to comply with a lawful police direction. A police officer must warn any person who does so. The person should then be given a reasonable opportunity to comply with the warning. After this point, the police officer may use force to overcome the person.

Importantly, an attempt to conceal, destroy or dispose of evidence of an offence to which a search relates falls within the meaning of “obstructing a police search”. This does not mean however, that a suspect must positively help police during a search by locating items, or answering questions, etc.

Ryan & Bosscher Lawyers - Brisbane.
 
Mr Blonde said:
On Saturday night, my friends were walking along the street at about 10pm when they were stopped by the police. They were carrying a bag belonging to one of my friends, lets call him S. The bag had lots of beer bottles in it. The cops searched his bag, but didn't take any of the beer. They asked him if some dirt in the bag was drugs. The cops then searched all of their wallets, and asked one of them if he used his credit card to chop up speed. They asked where a party was, and apparently went and broke it up afterwards. I'm not too sure about that last one though...

Is this legal? I hope not! 8o

Edit: One more thing, they had to empty their pockets as well.

Sorry Mr Blonde, but everything they did seemed legal. All the police need is a reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed in order to be able to stop and search you without a warrant (although the standard of proof and rules are different if they wish to strip search you).

If a police officer stops and asks to search you, the best thing is to politely question them on what grounds they are conducting the search. Because, if they simply ask to search you bags (but not necessarily telling you that they are going to search your bags), and you consent, that is then fully legal (because of the consent given). Often police officers attempt to intimidate people by simply asking. And, further, if they so happen to search you and find drugs/ underage possession of alchohol etc, this is grounds to keep searching.

Really, it is a matter of challenging them in the first place. This should at least force them to clarify if they are simply asking or if they do believe a crime is being committed, and thus are actually requesting to search your bag on this basis. A fine line, but probably a nuance that you should be aware of. A lot of people assume that simply because police have authority to search, that they are exercising this same authority when they ask to search your bags. This is not necessarily the case. And, note, withholding your consent when they are simply asking to see your bags is not grounds for reasonable suspicion that crime being committed under the Act.

In relation to what they ask, they can ask whatever questions they like. It is up to you what answer you choose to give them, truthful or not. With questions that are obviously loaded (ie do you chop speed with that card?), you should always reply in the negative. You never know what the legal repercussions of answering truthfully may be.
 
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^Very sound advice MR candyslut :)

It's too bad most people have no idea of what their rights are in situations like this. Knowing your rights is only half the battle, sadly. It would be extremely difficult to talk down an angry copper that was hell bent on conducting a search. "Reasonable grounds" is a very flexible term open for interpretation..
 
I would like to define what constitues resonable suspision


Can i be forced to submit to a search because I appear stoned in the officers opinion

Or as I have been searched for before driving out of a location the i have no resonable reson to be in
(for example coming out of a bush trail)

I have been searched before after officers found us sitting in a car under a bridge they found nothing (luckily really)

another time we were pulled up leaving an aera of bush that really we had no reason to be there for we had a bowl of chop under the set with the billy 2 ozs of bud and scales so we were somewhat worried

The cop comes over and asked what we were doing tovwhich my bro answers theres a back entrence to our property down here (not really)

anyway he poked over the car and ended up defecting the car for a few things as he left he warns my brother not to go ripping it up in the bush anymore

thats when we relized he suspected we were just hooning about in the forest (well we were too) and suddenly thanked fuck the car was muddy as hell and a few dents n shit as really the only other reason we would be down there would be to smoke drugs lol

So whats resonable suspusion



Personally i just try to have a good reason to be where I am
Even if it means he busts me on being a hoon etc
 
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