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Getting off suboxone (0.25mg - 1mg a day)

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gh0stmAn

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(Updated: May 26th, 2015) So I have been on sub now for about 5 years and am now ready to just bite the bullet and jump off the 'sub-train.' I am basically down to 0.25-0.5mgs (average) a day for the past year (ever so often when stressed I up dose to 1-2mgs for a week once in a blue moon) but I find it still so hard to come off of, even at such ridiculous low doses, but i gotta do it, i just get scared of the sub w/ds as I hear they can be pretty shitty and last FOREVER. I have been building up a detox kit (everything from vitamins to supplements to nootropics to sleep aids).. Does anyone have any suggestions on any supplements, herbs, nootropics, drug (non-opioid) or anything else to help with the detox? I am thinking about trying to get some Tramadols as the last time I got off sub they helped A LOT...

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Advice/Help - Detox Kit - Supplements/Vitamins/Minerals/Phrams/etc.


Update sense 1st post in this thread (wrote TODAY 10/21/2014):


Does anyone have ANYTHIG else you can think of or tried yourself that I should add to my kit that may help?

DETOX KIT:

For sleep:
Valium
Xanax (Maybe?)
Melatonin
Diphenhydramine

For sleep/anxiety/energy/etc
Phenibut (I know not to use it everyday)
L-Theanine
Magnolia Bark Extract 95% Honokiol + Magnolol (helps to relax/sleep)
(Solgar Brand) Magnesium (Chelated Magnesium Glycinate - for leg cramps/mood/depression)
(Solgar Brand) Omega-3 Fish Oil (Not the Ethyl Ester form, the natural form)
L-Tyrosine
Multivitamin/mineral/phytonutrient (Solgar - Omnium)


What do you guys think? Anything to add??

Also is there ANYONE on here that has got off subs that have been on them for around the same amount of time as I have, around 5-6 years?? Please give me some advice... This is going to suck so bad as I have been on these damn subz so damn long.. :(
 
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I would continue to work down until you're at .25 every day. Then if you can, try every other day, or at least make it it 36 hours between .25 doses, until you can tolerate every other day. Some people will then continue to taper off subs by using loperamide.

From then it's just really the mental aspect of cravings. The want to "take" something to avoid withdrawls even tho it is such a low dose. Our minds tend to play tricks on us that we need to take what we have been taking in order to maintain that normal feeling. I think when you do find yourself ready to jump off though, there may be that time period of unsettlement which is probably what you've been experiencing when dropping in dosage.

I think it will be expected to feel a little off for a bit when you do jump off but you can push through it! And like I said before the tiniest amount of sub (like less than .1mg which could be you know the tiniest piece possible from a strip or just some residue of a pill rubbed on your gums) could help if you do need it. Some withdrawal is inevitable in some people, and especially with such a long time period of you being on it.

But congrats for getting near the point to get off! I'm sure you got the will power to continue your taper.
 
I would be careful with the diphenhydramine for withdrawals...for most people it makes the restless legs that is so bad during opiate/opioid withdrawal much, much worse...many antihistamines will cause this.
 
I'v found dramamine to work out better than benadyrl, thanks for the DPH causin RLS data MMY? ! I've quit bupe also at 125mcg a month ago (I was on patches at the time, but had been on it for almost 5 years on most preparations, abused it, didn't understand how it worked,understood how it works, what a heaven sent it is, wish there was something like bupe fir stimulant addicts, even though I'm totally a downer guy...but damn all that it could save, opioids aren't neurotoxic....though many doctors state they are cause you can OD and survive but having had your oxygen 'flux' to the brain interrupted so there can be cognitive consequences...but damn has a crackhead ever tried stealing your phone/wallet? or have you found yourself ghost busting or asking for change at the subway and then pawning stolen shit for criminals? I'm not gonna lie, I did awful things for my opioid addiction, like All sorts of Freud, but I had this ethical/moral issue about just damaging the corporations and this naive idea that the credit card users were all compensated by insurance no questions asked...maybe cuz I'm a pussy and I couldn't go and put a knife or a gun on a lady's throat, damn I did worse like selling my ex-ex-bf gold and stealing her savings, but what hurts me the most and still can't understand the mind frame I was on till today was once I hacked my mother's bank account and started doing ATM tours but reached the daily limit, so I went online and called to go to take the rest of it in person next day cause it was more than 5k so it needed to be done in the bank, and I got my mom's ID went wearing a dress a wig a cane (though my mom didn't use one at the time, I had this cool one that had a skull you could open and store pills/powders/cool shit and make up)....I spent it in H immediately after, and couldn't feel gulf till I was in rehab cause it went from the adrenaline of hustling for abundance to the euphoria of abundance to the guilt of overusing/running out/scheming again...my mom filed a complaint and they called the cops from the bank and it was gonna be a serious case, and in the vids my mom didn't recognized me....damn she was stressing out so much, I couldn't understand atm, all I could think was about was putting as much opies as I could inside of me to feel 'good/normal'...a few months later I had an OD and ended up in rehab and came clean to my mom, she hasn't forgotten me to this day for that, though she knows how much I've changed...and she even joked about how much effort and thought I put into int for being a junkie, she couldn't identify me and the cops thought I was a woman in the vid, but the paranoia she got thinking her identity had been stolen makes me feel so guilty, and karma is a bitch......a few years after both myself and my mother got our credit card numbers stolen and some amateur did fraud.....the insurance paid but all the paperwork and phone calls were a pain in the ass...though I had some empathy for the person that did it I can't believe how I'd have ended without bupe (like my homeboy...who died at 23).....well rant, I rant....I just wanted to say Loperamide is a heaven sent, especially for me with my damn IBS, and for RLS and other ailments cimetidine works great....it can make yoiu sleepy with all the benzos, so I only take 0,05mg and it works wonders, watch out your BP though, especially if you're excessing/taking other drugs cause clonidine cause really lower it....there are some days I'd tie it for the relief, but once it's summer, and a damn hot summer, down here I don't just in case my BP drops due to the heat....on the benzo dept. I found Alprazolam perfect for 'break thru anxiety' and diazepam for nighttime/muscle aches....I also take zolpidem which is nice with good buds (medical stuff like dance world and blue dream are so much 'medicinal' when in WD) and it makes me toss and turn way less before falling asleep and last but not least lyrica, before sleeping 150-225mg really helps with the RLS and other w/d aches.....though some people that never took it react badly to it, this person I know that has Neuralgia asked me for a 75mg one and she went blind, I ended up giving her Cannabis extracted in Everclear and Kratom, and to this day she asks me for some of the extracts a couple times a year whn she is sick....and she is a woman in her 60-70s....so if you don't smoke an extract help, I'd use glycerine instead of ethanol nowadays though, but ih well I still have a shit ton :) all the luck ion the world, and don't let the shitty days bring you down....make time for yourself, napping whenever you want and remembering your dreams feels like an orgasm after the first week :)
 
when I wrote cimetidine I meant clonidine

I take cimetidine for heartburn sometimes and I take alprazolam and pregaablin 45 mins after, but it really doesn't help with potentiating/wd's I just have bad acidity/heartburn
 
So do any of you guys have anything to add to my Sub detox kit that I may not have or know about??? Anything at all, from vitamins/minerals/supplements to pharmaceuticals to scheduled substances to anything at all that helped you or something you may thing help coming off a 4-6 year Suboxone habit (all years doses never exceeded 1-2mgs a day, mostly 0.5mg-1mg, so I wasn't a dumbass at least with it taking 8mgs a day :)
 
Hope you can get off this time, the trams will help but don't overdo them, I did my first dose of Tramadol (and only dosed once again since) on day 16 of bupe wd (day 32/33 now).....for Clonidine I just had it compounded by telling the truth but I know that besides for BP issues at some countries they sell them OTC mixed with diuretics, that's the last thing I'd want during w/d's but well dunno you can claim you need them for paruresis and that are already taking a diuretic, but yeah I know what having no insurance in America is like....bummer, and with the kava extract watch out once I mixed this kava extract tincture with benzos and I was on bupe at the time and made me puke a lot and kavalactones taste like total bitter shit....maybe they'll work better for you, I had tried caps in the past like about 15yrs ago when my tolerance to everything was away lower and I really enjoyed them/found them on pair with low dose benzos at the time....good luck! And yeah don't worry you have a good wd kit...if you could get something OTC for the restless legs (diazepam sorta works but the muscle relaxant effects wear off quite rapidly when taken for sleep) then you're great, and yeah I expect to feel like shit for a good while, but hey I already am going thru loads of shit, have to go thru a surgery (where I'll shortly go back to opies) and even more shit so I wasn't feeling that great on subs anyways...might not be your case, but well it's a good excuse, and yeah I tried to quit so many times only to go back on day 6/7 and use all the w/d meds to"potentiate" the bupe...I have boxes of the shit left for the post-surgery but have them well hidden and away from my residence, reminds me I also have a script for 20mg I might pick up to stockpile a little more just in case...lol I know you're supposed to flush them but I see them as commodities.....especially where I am that they are fucking rare and supply of imported meds can stop from one day to the other...damn don't want to go to veterinarians begging to bribe them for veterinary bupe never again, then hope the docs are understanding and give me something that will be able to hold my pain (which with my hernias and IBS and no opies in my system makes me wake up in such pain and anguish), was the same with bupe but it dulled away the anger/wasted time/boredom/hopelessness/lack of empathy about my medical conditions from almost everyone I knew/know of the situation and made me antidepressant like hypo manic so I laughed it off instead of being so pissed off at everyone and everything about my pain...if you have someone you can trust that won't take your subs or if you can store them at a location far away enough from your place to go and pick it up during the worse part of w/d's then I'd do that, but then again if you really want to quit you'll find some way, and remember to wait and try to space the Tramadol doses and never go above 400mg in 24hours...

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Advice/Help Needed please


Update sense 1st post in this thread:

Well I am still here and haven't REALLY actually tried to get off the subs yet. Every time I get ready to start I always say in my mind: "oh well I'll just start tomorrow I need a good sleep tonight or 'I have a backache.' lol which we all know is just BS the mind pulls on all of us trying to detox from sub... I still have my detox kit, plus i just recently added some new stuff plus replaced old stuff.

This time I am really really going to give it a 100% try and not just eat all my detox stash while still on subs.. lol, we've probably all been there... This time I got to do this for myself and to move on with my life without having to be a slave to buprenorphine (Subs) and always having to worry about getting them and all that nonsense. Plus I am just ready to get off em, i've been on them way to long (at least 4 years). Which scares the shit out of me, sense I have read other peoples posts talking about how they were on them for "x amount of years" and had a horrible time getting off them and once they psychical w/ds stopped they still felt 'not right' for a long time. I've ever heard some say that they have been clean from subs (and opies) for a year or more and still don't feel 100% right... That kinda shit right there scares me, I want to beat this and feel normal again without having to take a microscopic dose of a substance just to feel 'normal'.... I just can't believe even at such a small dose (avg 0.5mgs or less a day) its so hard to get off... Last time I tried I got to about day 5 or 6 and it just got so bad that I couldn't take the no sleep and restlessness/anxiety I went back to the sub. Thats What I hate about Sub, when detoxing off it each day gets worse and worse when it comes to symptoms of w/ds...Like on day 7-8 I am in a lot more pain then I would be on day 3 or 4... I assume this is b/c of Subs long half-life, which makes he w/ds last forever it seems....

Anyways on to my questions and what I plan to do for detoxing off Subox0ne.





Well ya see I can't get any Clonidine because I have no insurance.. That is why I did the best I could with 'my self built detox stash'.. Do you know how I could get Clonidine without telling a dr. I want them cuz I'm trying to detox off sub by any chance? Is it given out pretty easily w/o saying you want it for coming off subs? B/c that is the one substance I wish I had in my detox kit as I hear it works great for hot/cold sweats & blood pressure. So basically I am just trying to build the best Suboxone Detox Kit I can build before I jump off my about 0.5mg a day habit right now

Ok so my DETOX KIT -
Which now includes:

Supplements/etc:

- Chelated Magnesium Glycinate (To to help with RLS, anxiety, mood and muscle relaxation.)

- RX Pharma Grade Fish Oil (pure EPA/DHA - Expensive shit)

- Vitamin D3 (good stuff; I figured I would get this stuff sense its winter and my vitamin D3 levels are for sure down (plus sense i'll be inside most the time during 1st couple weeks off sub = no sunglight = no vit. D3), plus low vitamin D levels can contribute to depression and feeling crappy.

- Zinc Picolonate (Great for sleep -, especially when mixed with the Chelated Magnesium)

- Gaia Kava Root Liquid 'phyto' caps (1 serving = 225mgs Kavalactones = 3 gel-caps; supposed to be good kava extract product) - which will hopefully help some with anxiety and sleep, i wonder if u can mix kava (Kavalactones) with a benzo? anyone know if they would work good together (synergy?) or would they work against each other for some reason?

For sleep:
Melatonin - .300 - 1mg = is what I usually take, good dose?
Diphenhydramine - 50mg-100mg as needed (probably use once i make it out of the first couple weeks of physical w/ds, after i stop using benzo's)

&

For the first week or two after getting off the "sub-train" i'll be using:

{Just to let you guys know; I've never been addicted to benzos so Ill be OK to use them when the anxiety and insomnia becomes TOO MUCH}
Klonopin 2mg - (day-time use / anxiety-restlessness)
Alprazolam 0.5mg each. - (night time use / Sleep)
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Thanks for the advice WarlordHarmony and everyone else who posted... BUT

Does anyone know of anything else I should add to my detox kit? What about like L-theanine and L-tyrosine? Anything else I should add?:) thanks!
 
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yo! Levo-Thyrosine will work with all the other things you have, dn by day 30 you'll be feeling 3x better than I do, and today at work I got 60 boxes of generic pregabaline to drop off to docs and a dmm strong summer storm came so I ended up keeping ~20 boxes with 5 x 150mg preabaline pills and since it's summer most docs are going on vacation so this one goes off and damn high dose lyrica (Or generic) is sooooo helpful, ok I drank a bottle and a half of Chardonnay took cimetidine before takignng ~1,8 gr of pregabaline 2mg alprazolam and a mate at work hooked me uo with a really nice fat dank eight of Dance World which is supposed to be a medicinal strain, he knows about my surgery coming y and I smoke him out amnd he ended up having way more sources than I do, and I payed the weed in btcs as change to get some dollars in his foreign account since having foreign currency here is more illegal than having cocaine....so bcuz of inflation/gov't restrictions so for being a yanqui/gringo I'm begetting loads of interesting offers of dollar, from paid trips to go and take them back to use my shitty empty socialist european state bank acct to funnel dollars at a lower value than market, whig is black market....lol what a rant, os really complicated, search 'inflkation venezuela, dollar black market' if you ware interested.....lyrica is easier o get than cklonidine, it's expensive without insurance, damn it's exoensuve with insurance but damn it really helps......I caan never drink and I have one if my hernias bulging and the weed and wine and regabaline blanket make kit all so 'good/mormal/the way things should be' but not like opioids, it feels more of a lucid fuck up minus the alcohol.....you seem to know way much more about supplements than do, so all I ccan recommend is pregabalone,clonidine and diazepam....you're fucking lucky to have alprazolam and trams....but remember to go easy and wait till you w/d badlyyyyy to dose trams, then 300mg will fuck you up and you can gauge your tolerance and without redo sing in about 10 dqays you're good....the alprazolam I'd taie it everyday, damn I di take it everyday, many time a day, way muh more than i am om PAWS/w/d's whatever.........I'm scandinavian so I get loads of fish byproducts and capsules with all kinds of omega oi;ls from home, they really help when you can't eat to get something onside your body, a toast or was a brod and kalles caviar and 4 omega 3-6-9 pills and you're way better....you can get it in the styes in IKEA in some states, burn it's an acquired taste, like marmite, I can eat it cause i ate it since I have memory but everyone else I know that's not rom where I'm from hated it with a couple exceptions.....I think that wiulkd go great with your supplements...it's called Kalles Kaviar and it's the best withdrawal food, it comes in a big toothpaste like thingie, that and gatorade keep me going pre-suregry oh and thje 11 drugs I'm scripted/my docs know I do....if I could tell the truth it'd be lie 17 buyt one thing is smoking weed and other is cooking and smoking crack...anyways sor of the rant, try to sind and omega oils to eat, dunno I hatee bananas but on w/d's I eat them like crazy something with proteins/potassium, you know way better....and hopefully don't have all the stomach problems I do, you'll make t thru though it'll hurt you're well prepared...I'd really watch out on hat trams....do them after week 2 of w/d's...that's my advice. Cheers!
 
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yo! Levo-Thyrosine will work with all the other things you have, dn by day 30 you'll be feeling 3x better than I do, and today at work I got 60 boxes of generic pregabaline to drop off to docs and a dmm strong summer storm came so I ended up keeping ~20 boxes with 5 x 150mg preabaline pills and since it's summer most docs are going on vacation so this one goes off and damn high dose lyrica (Or generic) is sooooo helpful, ok I drank a bottle and a half of Chardonnay took cimetidine before takignng ~1,8 gr of pregabaline 2mg alprazolam and a mate at work hooked me uo with a really nice fat dank eight of Dance World which is supposed to be a medicinal strain, he knows about my surgery coming y and I smoke him out amnd he ended up having way more sources than I do, and I payed the weed in btcs as change to get some dollars in his foreign account since having foreign currency here is more illegal than having cocaine....so bcuz of inflation/gov't restrictions so for being a yanqui/gringo I'm begetting loads of interesting offers of dollar, from paid trips to go and take them back to use my shitty empty socialist european state bank acct to funnel dollars at a lower value than market, whig is black market....lol what a rant, os really complicated, search 'inflkation venezuela, dollar black market' if you ware interested.....lyrica is easier o get than cklonidine, it's expensive without insurance, damn it's exoensuve with insurance but damn it really helps......I caan never drink and I have one if my hernias bulging and the weed and wine and regabaline blanket make kit all so 'good/mormal/the way things should be' but not like opioids, it feels more of a lucid fuck up minus the alcohol.....you seem to know way much more about supplements than do, so all I ccan recommend is pregabalone,clonidine and diazepam....you're fucking lucky to have alprazolam and trams....but remember to go easy and wait till you w/d badlyyyyy to dose trams, then 300mg will fuck you up and you can gauge your tolerance and without redo sing in about 10 dqays you're good....the alprazolam I'd taie it everyday, damn I di take it everyday, many time a day, way muh more than i am om PAWS/w/d's whatever.........I'm scandinavian so I get loads of fish byproducts and capsules with all kinds of omega oi;ls from home, they really help when you can't eat to get something onside your body, a toast or was a brod and kalles caviar and 4 omega 3-6-9 pills and you're way better....you can get it in the styes in IKEA in some states, burn it's an acquired taste, like marmite, I can eat it cause i ate it since I have memory but everyone else I know that's not rom where I'm from hated it with a couple exceptions.....I think that wiulkd go great with your supplements...it's called Kalles Kaviar and it's the best withdrawal food, it comes in a big toothpaste like thingie, that and gatorade keep me going pre-suregry oh and thje 11 drugs I'm scripted/my docs know I do....if I could tell the truth it'd be lie 17 buyt one thing is smoking weed and other is cooking and smoking crack...anyways sor of the rant, try to sind and omega oils to eat, dunno I hatee bananas but on w/d's I eat them like crazy something with proteins/potassium, you know way better....and hopefully don't have all the stomach problems I do, you'll make t thru though it'll hurt you're well prepared...I'd really watch out on hat trams....do them after week 2 of w/d's...that's my advice. Cheers!
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No offence but are you on stimulants by any chance? lol your writing seems kinda a little sporadic...
 
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WarlordHarmony said:
yo! Levo-Thyrosine will work with all the other things you have, dn by day 30 you'll be feeling 3x better than I do, and today at work I got 60 boxes of generic pregabaline to drop off to docs and a dmm strong summer storm came so I ended up keeping ~20 boxes with 5 x 150mg preabaline pills and since it's summer most docs are going on vacation so this one goes off and damn high dose lyrica (Or generic) is sooooo helpful, ok I drank a bottle and a half of Chardonnay took cimetidine before takignng ~1,8 gr of pregabaline 2mg alprazolam and a mate at work hooked me uo with a really nice fat dank eight of Dance World which is supposed to be a medicinal strain, he knows about my surgery coming y and I smoke him out amnd he ended up having way more sources than I do, and I payed the weed in btcs as change to get some dollars in his foreign account since having foreign currency here is more illegal than having cocaine....so bcuz of inflation/gov't restrictions so for being a yanqui/gringo I'm begetting loads of interesting offers of dollar, from paid trips to go and take them back to use my shitty empty socialist european state bank acct to funnel dollars at a lower value than market, whig is black market....lol what a rant, os really complicated, search 'inflkation venezuela, dollar black market' if you ware interested.....lyrica is easier o get than cklonidine, it's expensive without insurance, damn it's exoensuve with insurance but damn it really helps......I caan never drink and I have one if my hernias bulging and the weed and wine and regabaline blanket make kit all so 'good/mormal/the way things should be' but not like opioids, it feels more of a lucid fuck up minus the alcohol.....you seem to know way much more about supplements than do, so all I ccan recommend is pregabalone,clonidine and diazepam....you're fucking lucky to have alprazolam and trams....but remember to go easy and wait till you w/d badlyyyyy to dose trams, then 300mg will fuck you up and you can gauge your tolerance and without redo sing in about 10 dqays you're good....the alprazolam I'd taie it everyday, damn I di take it everyday, many time a day, way muh more than i am om PAWS/w/d's whatever.........I'm scandinavian so I get loads of fish byproducts and capsules with all kinds of omega oi;ls from home, they really help when you can't eat to get something onside your body, a toast or was a brod and kalles caviar and 4 omega 3-6-9 pills and you're way better....you can get it in the styes in IKEA in some states, burn it's an acquired taste, like marmite, I can eat it cause i ate it since I have memory but everyone else I know that's not rom where I'm from hated it with a couple exceptions.....I think that wiulkd go great with your supplements...it's called Kalles Kaviar and it's the best withdrawal food, it comes in a big toothpaste like thingie, that and gatorade keep me going pre-suregry oh and thje 11 drugs I'm scripted/my docs know I do....if I could tell the truth it'd be lie 17 buyt one thing is smoking weed and other is cooking and smoking crack...anyways sor of the rant, try to sind and omega oils to eat, dunno I hatee bananas but on w/d's I eat them like crazy something with proteins/potassium, you know way better....and hopefully don't have all the stomach problems I do, you'll make t thru though it'll hurt you're well prepared...I'd really watch out on hat trams....do them after week 2 of w/d's...that's my advice. Cheers!
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Hey guys does Gabapentin (or Lyrica) really help with sub w/ds?? & Yes I am still on subs :( But i am really gonna try hard this time, i almost made it last time but didn't quite make it...
 
^ Yes it helps opioid wd better than anything else I've ever tried
Totally relieves rls, anxiety, and helps with the insomnia

They prescribed me gabapentin in rehab during and after my sub taper and I haven't used since Jan 2
 
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^ Yes it helps opioid wd better than anything else I've ever tried
Totally relieves rls, anxiety, and helps with the insomnia

They prescribed me gabapentin in rehab during and after my sub taper and I haven't used since Jan 2
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unfortunately I don't have access to that. The worst part of the w/ds is the no sleep (at night is where I always fail) and the anxiety/lethargy/low-mood is what gets to me. I have bad insomnia whenI know sub w/d's aren't extreme like full-agnoists but sub w/ds last so damn long, even after you get past the first 2 weeks (the worst part) the lethargy/anxiety/low-mood seem to last along time. I've heard PAWS from sub can last a year - if not longer. I just realized how long ago I made this thread and here I am still sitting here on 0.5mgs. I really don't even look forward to when its time to dose, which actually works out as its helping me get used to 'every-other-day dosing. Once I get down to dosing every-other-day EVERYDAY for about a month is when I will make that jump..
 
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Hey guys, so i am still on sub :( ... But I have recently heard about this stuff called Tianeptine.. Would that be a good thing to add to my detox list... Yeah I know I have been putting this detox off for over a year now.. But now i am really getting ready to get off.. any advice or anything that may help please let me know..

Thanks guys,
- gh0stmAn
 
gh0stmAn said:
Hey guys, so i am still on sub :( ... But I have recently heard about this stuff called Tianeptine.. Would that be a good thing to add to my detox list... Yeah I know I have been putting this detox off for over a year now.. But now i am really getting ready to get off.. any advice or anything that may help please let me know..

Thanks guys,
- gh0stmAn
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Tianeptine is a great anti-depressant, but it's a piss poor mu-opioid agonist, so I doubt that it will help with w/d, but it may be useful afterwards.
I understand what you mean when you say w/d lasts forever.
A few years ago I was going on 30mg Lorazepam a day and when I managed cold-turkey with non-GABAergic anticonvulsants, after 2 weeks of HELL I felt immediately better. However, when I tried to cold-turkey Librium, it was nowhere near as bad as Lorazepam, BUT, it was more torturous and more pressurizing and lasted for over 6 weeks.
During Lorazepam withdrawal I actually used Nicomorphine (aka Vilan / MorZet) but i muscled it (because I couldn't even hit a vein), just to get a little bit of relief.
Opioid withdrawal is nowhere near as bad, but I can see your problem. Have you considered rapid detox? Rapid detox is where you're put under anesthesia and they use naltrexone to immediatly and painlessly skip w/d. It's pricey, but it's worth it.
 
gh0stmAn said:
Hey guys, so i am still on sub :( ... But I have recently heard about this stuff called Tianeptine.. Would that be a good thing to add to my detox list... Yeah I know I have been putting this detox off for over a year now.. But now i am really getting ready to get off.. any advice or anything that may help please let me know..

Thanks guys,
- gh0stmAn
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dude, are you still on .25-1MG!? because xanny ALONE w/ get you off that dosage, lol. nevermind all the other stuff you added to the list; hell, you wont even feel the withdrawal w/ the way you have it planned out.

did you even attempt yet? Phenibut and benzos alone w/ get you off such a small dosage; you really have NO NEED to worry, man.

people tend to always think the worst when it comes to withdrawals; I've withdrawn from a 2G/day dope habit many times w/ nothing to fall back on besides a toiler seat and a bed, so to think of .25-1MG bupe being a problem is quite laughable. although, I know we withdraw from EVERYTHING; I've been there, done that.. I am on bupe again, but 16MG/day at this point because I always end up getting stuck and going back to the dope - HOPEFULLY, never again, but we'll see.
 
I kicked subs last year (I relapsed and am back on again though), Its gonna be tough with the cravings and the zombie feeling for 2-3 weeks. I highly suggest addy's. They turned me from not wanting to walk to the fridge to cleaning the whole house and not even feeling sick, But I'd wait until you atleast 1-1 1/2 week into detox to start taking them. To ease my WD's I took kratom first 5 days then took the jump. Kratom really helped a lot as well as immense amounts of loperamide hcl (big bottles of it) which you can find at like a sams club or costco for like 10$ for a lot. Also, benzo's,remoron(will knock you out good for sleep),gabapentin 300mg x4 a day or more if needed....Pretty much what I used....stayed clean 2-3 months then took the jump again because of the cravings which are sopposed to go away around 3-6 month's. Best of luck to you!!!
 
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