Bojangles2.0
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I am not a drug counselor, or a doctor, or a spokesperson for NA.
I am not an professional writer, an actor, a comedian... I am NONE of these things.
So what am I? I am a person with a MESSAGE.
A message that needs some serious reconsidering by many of you opiate addicts. Sometimes I'd hear these stories. Stories about people getting off opiates, and it never made sense to me. I always thought there had to be something magical they were doing. There is always a damn secret I'm not being told. Or so I feel that way most the time. HOW do people just stop taking opiates.. and act like it was no big deal?
Maybe they were just the fortunate ones right? Maybe they weren't really addicted in the first place? Maybe they just wanted it more than I did? Or maybe I want it more than you do? I have gone through A LOT of bs over these past few years trying to get off opiates.
I have come to a realization so powerful, that I may just write a book about it. *May*
There have been VARIOUS times I've tried coming off opiates. Many times I've stopped and "succeeded" for a short time. Just to relapse and hate myself again. The withdrawals were too much and I always felt like a failure/pussy.
But as years passed by, I'd see people get off opiates like it was nothing. One rather recently who was a good friend of mine. He literally just tapered his suboxone slowly, then stopped one day. No paws, no serious depression, he said he felt a bit "off" and that was it. I immediately thought "his addiction must have been weak". But I knew in the back of my mind he'd been using for 9 years, and using A LOT MORE in 1 day than I'd use in a week.
This guys addiction was not a joke.
Its been 7 months now and he's still clean.
So that began to eat me up. I started obsessing about it every single day. "Something is not right, this is NOT genetics!!". I'm sure genetics play a role, but WHY is that the FIRST THING we always suspect when seeing stories like this? "Oh well its GOT TO BE genetics!"
Nobody ever tries to think of a second reason, or a third reason.
We always stop at the "genetics" explanation. Why? Well it makes it easier to live with our own failures.
Untill I realized something. MANY of these people who were stopping opiates/sub, and just getting on with life... for the most part, they were "healthy opiate addicts". They were those addicts who have families, work jobs, EAT HEALTHY, TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.. so I began to focus more on lifestyle.
Could it be possible, that you can make yourself SO HEALTHY **WHILE** on drugs... that coming off drugs becomes 1000xs easier?
I am here to tell you its not only possible, but its the only reason I am now skipping days w/out my sub. 4 days w/out sub, and I feel fine. I am NOT done with it yet (tommorow I'll dose again @ .125mgs) but THIS is the way to do it. I now know that for a fact.
I have tried stopping opiates so many damn times, and I have learned some very interesting facts.
Certain lifestyles, certain diets, DO NOT MIX with opiate wd.
Here is one clear example of that, SUGAR/CAFFIENE.
Sugar & caffiene play a very specific role in the body. They trigger cortisol & adrenaline. In fact, certain sugar/caffiene addicts screw up their hormones so badly they wind up with adrenal fatigue... or worse, diabetes. But there are many other things that can be caused by taking in too much sugar for too long a time.
Have you ever seen "Sugar - The Bitter Truth" on youtube. Watch that video, then tell me its a good idea to take in ANY sugar when coming off opiates. CAN YOU DO IT? Absolutely. Is it a wise decision? NO EFFN WAY.
Why? Well the math is simple.
Sugar STRESSES OUT your adrenal glands.
The SAME GLANDS that opiate withdrawl stresses out.
If you are taking in ANY SUGAR or caffiene during a taper, you lower your chances of success by a SIGNIFICANT amount. I have tried so many times with and without, it is simply 1000xs easier by avoiding all sugar. This includes high fructose corn syrup in your OJ and Apple Juice. Do NOT take in sugar during withdrawals. Avoid ketchup, BBQ sauces, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING with sugar!
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are vegetables and protien.
Think about this. Endorphins are made with protien. Hormones are controlled by both protien and veggies. Veggies help heal tissues, give you energy, reduce anxiety, and promote a positive mood. There are databases full of research that talk about the benefits of a healthy diet.
So WHAT is the problem with people on suboxone or other opiates?
Well I'm going to talk specifically about suboxone. Sub MURDERS your appetite. Its the number 1 side effect people have. When you're on sub, you don't want to eat.
So do you know what happens? You become malnourished. And you're not even aware of this fact. Teeth fall out, your piss begins to stink, blood sugar goes through the floor, you become shakey and strung out, many people have these symptoms while on sub (the teeth thing being the least common, but tooth decay DOES definitely speed up). Its because your MALNOURISHED!!!
So HOW IN HELL do you think you can taper off sub while you are so unhealthy? Just because sub numbs you from the fact that you are malnourished, does NOT mean you are ok! If you want to get off sub, you BETTER start EATING. And EAT RIGHT.
You must INFUSE your body with **HEALTH**. 4-5 servings of veggies a day. Don't give me excuses like "Thats too much work". You can buy frozen bricks of veggies by the pounds are your local supermarket. Put them in hot water for 10 minutes, and you're good to go.
THEN you NEED a ton of protien. How much? Well consider this. Your body is in a traumatized state. Your hormones are all over the place as well as neurotransmitters. So do you think you just need the RDA? Or the recommend daily allowance? I say hell no. You need MORE THAN THAT.
Chicken, eggs, FISH, beans, whey protien, STOCK UP ON THIS STUFF.
I am telling you it matters MORE than any stupid detox med you feel like putting in your body. If your health is not where it needs to be, virtually NOTHING is going to HELP. The simple reality is drugs do NOT get PROCESSED and USED when you are DEPLETED OF FOOD. Once you start eating this way, your 1mg dose of sub is going to feel like 2mg of sub. I am NOT BS'n you people. You have to believe this!
This is precisely the reason this taper has gone so smooth. By infusing my body with health, it almost doesn't make sense how easy tapering became. IGNORE the g/damn vitamins. FOCUS ON FOOD. Your body is not using those vitamins anyway unless you're getting food in the first place. Same way your body isn't processing suboxone properly if you're starving yourself.
I am NOT just telling you to eat food, I'm telling you to eat the RIGHT FOODS, and eats LOTS OF THEM.
I have so much damn research I can show you people, so many experiences of my own, to prove how important this is.
There were weeks where I was eating perfectly and tapering. Then I began to veer off my diet. Out of NOWHERE I'd get slammed with wds. Anxiety, hotflashes, insomnia, it was terrible. So I'd stop my tapering, but wds continued to GET WORSE. When I wasn't dropping my dose anymore, wds were ESCALATING. The reason WHY is so damn clear to me. Without the right foods, my body was processing less and less of the doses I WAS TAKING, so I felt like I was taking less.. and I'd go into wds.
Here is a good way to look at it:
A non-healthy person can take 1mg of sub, and eat like shit, and that 1mg will feel like .5mg.
A HEALTHY person can take 1mg of sub, eat great, and that 1mg will feel like 2mg.
I have changed my diet so many damn times that noone can convince me this isn't true. Whine about genetics, whine about whatever you want. But if you ignore these basic facts of life, coming off suboxone is going to be hell for you.
Like I said, I can write a lot more information on this topic, and in a more organized fashion. My question is does anyone on here give a shit?
Thanks - Bo
I am not an professional writer, an actor, a comedian... I am NONE of these things.
So what am I? I am a person with a MESSAGE.
A message that needs some serious reconsidering by many of you opiate addicts. Sometimes I'd hear these stories. Stories about people getting off opiates, and it never made sense to me. I always thought there had to be something magical they were doing. There is always a damn secret I'm not being told. Or so I feel that way most the time. HOW do people just stop taking opiates.. and act like it was no big deal?
Maybe they were just the fortunate ones right? Maybe they weren't really addicted in the first place? Maybe they just wanted it more than I did? Or maybe I want it more than you do? I have gone through A LOT of bs over these past few years trying to get off opiates.
I have come to a realization so powerful, that I may just write a book about it. *May*
There have been VARIOUS times I've tried coming off opiates. Many times I've stopped and "succeeded" for a short time. Just to relapse and hate myself again. The withdrawals were too much and I always felt like a failure/pussy.
But as years passed by, I'd see people get off opiates like it was nothing. One rather recently who was a good friend of mine. He literally just tapered his suboxone slowly, then stopped one day. No paws, no serious depression, he said he felt a bit "off" and that was it. I immediately thought "his addiction must have been weak". But I knew in the back of my mind he'd been using for 9 years, and using A LOT MORE in 1 day than I'd use in a week.
This guys addiction was not a joke.
Its been 7 months now and he's still clean.
So that began to eat me up. I started obsessing about it every single day. "Something is not right, this is NOT genetics!!". I'm sure genetics play a role, but WHY is that the FIRST THING we always suspect when seeing stories like this? "Oh well its GOT TO BE genetics!"
Nobody ever tries to think of a second reason, or a third reason.
We always stop at the "genetics" explanation. Why? Well it makes it easier to live with our own failures.
Untill I realized something. MANY of these people who were stopping opiates/sub, and just getting on with life... for the most part, they were "healthy opiate addicts". They were those addicts who have families, work jobs, EAT HEALTHY, TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES.. so I began to focus more on lifestyle.
Could it be possible, that you can make yourself SO HEALTHY **WHILE** on drugs... that coming off drugs becomes 1000xs easier?
I am here to tell you its not only possible, but its the only reason I am now skipping days w/out my sub. 4 days w/out sub, and I feel fine. I am NOT done with it yet (tommorow I'll dose again @ .125mgs) but THIS is the way to do it. I now know that for a fact.
I have tried stopping opiates so many damn times, and I have learned some very interesting facts.
Certain lifestyles, certain diets, DO NOT MIX with opiate wd.
Here is one clear example of that, SUGAR/CAFFIENE.
Sugar & caffiene play a very specific role in the body. They trigger cortisol & adrenaline. In fact, certain sugar/caffiene addicts screw up their hormones so badly they wind up with adrenal fatigue... or worse, diabetes. But there are many other things that can be caused by taking in too much sugar for too long a time.
Have you ever seen "Sugar - The Bitter Truth" on youtube. Watch that video, then tell me its a good idea to take in ANY sugar when coming off opiates. CAN YOU DO IT? Absolutely. Is it a wise decision? NO EFFN WAY.
Why? Well the math is simple.
Sugar STRESSES OUT your adrenal glands.
The SAME GLANDS that opiate withdrawl stresses out.
If you are taking in ANY SUGAR or caffiene during a taper, you lower your chances of success by a SIGNIFICANT amount. I have tried so many times with and without, it is simply 1000xs easier by avoiding all sugar. This includes high fructose corn syrup in your OJ and Apple Juice. Do NOT take in sugar during withdrawals. Avoid ketchup, BBQ sauces, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING with sugar!
And this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are vegetables and protien.
Think about this. Endorphins are made with protien. Hormones are controlled by both protien and veggies. Veggies help heal tissues, give you energy, reduce anxiety, and promote a positive mood. There are databases full of research that talk about the benefits of a healthy diet.
So WHAT is the problem with people on suboxone or other opiates?
Well I'm going to talk specifically about suboxone. Sub MURDERS your appetite. Its the number 1 side effect people have. When you're on sub, you don't want to eat.
So do you know what happens? You become malnourished. And you're not even aware of this fact. Teeth fall out, your piss begins to stink, blood sugar goes through the floor, you become shakey and strung out, many people have these symptoms while on sub (the teeth thing being the least common, but tooth decay DOES definitely speed up). Its because your MALNOURISHED!!!
So HOW IN HELL do you think you can taper off sub while you are so unhealthy? Just because sub numbs you from the fact that you are malnourished, does NOT mean you are ok! If you want to get off sub, you BETTER start EATING. And EAT RIGHT.
You must INFUSE your body with **HEALTH**. 4-5 servings of veggies a day. Don't give me excuses like "Thats too much work". You can buy frozen bricks of veggies by the pounds are your local supermarket. Put them in hot water for 10 minutes, and you're good to go.
THEN you NEED a ton of protien. How much? Well consider this. Your body is in a traumatized state. Your hormones are all over the place as well as neurotransmitters. So do you think you just need the RDA? Or the recommend daily allowance? I say hell no. You need MORE THAN THAT.
Chicken, eggs, FISH, beans, whey protien, STOCK UP ON THIS STUFF.
I am telling you it matters MORE than any stupid detox med you feel like putting in your body. If your health is not where it needs to be, virtually NOTHING is going to HELP. The simple reality is drugs do NOT get PROCESSED and USED when you are DEPLETED OF FOOD. Once you start eating this way, your 1mg dose of sub is going to feel like 2mg of sub. I am NOT BS'n you people. You have to believe this!
This is precisely the reason this taper has gone so smooth. By infusing my body with health, it almost doesn't make sense how easy tapering became. IGNORE the g/damn vitamins. FOCUS ON FOOD. Your body is not using those vitamins anyway unless you're getting food in the first place. Same way your body isn't processing suboxone properly if you're starving yourself.
I am NOT just telling you to eat food, I'm telling you to eat the RIGHT FOODS, and eats LOTS OF THEM.
I have so much damn research I can show you people, so many experiences of my own, to prove how important this is.
There were weeks where I was eating perfectly and tapering. Then I began to veer off my diet. Out of NOWHERE I'd get slammed with wds. Anxiety, hotflashes, insomnia, it was terrible. So I'd stop my tapering, but wds continued to GET WORSE. When I wasn't dropping my dose anymore, wds were ESCALATING. The reason WHY is so damn clear to me. Without the right foods, my body was processing less and less of the doses I WAS TAKING, so I felt like I was taking less.. and I'd go into wds.
Here is a good way to look at it:
A non-healthy person can take 1mg of sub, and eat like shit, and that 1mg will feel like .5mg.
A HEALTHY person can take 1mg of sub, eat great, and that 1mg will feel like 2mg.
I have changed my diet so many damn times that noone can convince me this isn't true. Whine about genetics, whine about whatever you want. But if you ignore these basic facts of life, coming off suboxone is going to be hell for you.
Like I said, I can write a lot more information on this topic, and in a more organized fashion. My question is does anyone on here give a shit?
Thanks - Bo
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Thank you for sharing your findings, Bo, yes we do care. You can count the amount of methods for "treating" opiate/sub addiction and tapering on both your hands. This information is very useful. You are obviously very passionate about sharing your successful findings as I can see the enthusiasm and belief in your words, so please, do continue