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Opioids Getting off opiates. Question and concern(s)...help wanted

NYCdude

NYCdude

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Okay, so I got f-ed up (jumped and robbed in Brooklyn) years ago and due to 4 surgeries to fix the damage I got R.S.D./C.R.P.S. which is a nerve pain issue. That shit has gone away mostly and I am all good injury wise. I decided to head to a family members house in FL as getting whatever in NYC is stoopid easy...

I was taking 80 mg of OC 3X per day (sometimes more) and AT LEAST 6-10 of the 30 mg of roxi a day for a while. I quit using the roxi (30's) a WHILE ago. I recently switched to morphine 100 mg which is equal to 60+ mg of Oxy three times a day. Finally I took Suboxone for about a month. I would take an 8MG strip once every three days. This (again) lasted about a month. I am now on day 5 of NOTHING and aside from the poo monster calling a few times and the inability to sleep without ambien and colonipin at night I am pretty much in tip top shape... did I become blessed by lady luck, or am I going to find myself in a world of hurt very soon? Oh yeah... I was taking 8MG subs, the last time I took them was 5 days ago and the day before I took a 2mg sub. I SUPER METABOLIZE opiates, so all I want to know is am I in for a shock or am I one lucky asshole that deserves to be shot for good fortune?

I went thru Oxy WD once and within a day was yucky. All I am is achy, lethargic, a little depressed, but other than that I am good.

I realize 8MG to jump off of is massive, but after taking it for a month and then taking a single 100MG morphene I got LIFTED! I have not had that low of a tolerance in YEARS. so will the jury please deliver their verdict?
 
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Every kick is different. Sometimes I can stop and the withdrawals won't be so bad, and other times I can quit the same habit and the withdrawals will suck. Therefore I try extra hard to stay away from opiates the times when the kick isn't so bad, because I know that the next time I won't be so lucky.

By day 5 you should be at the peak of withdrawals with suboxone, so it shouldn't get any worse but will probably be the same for a few more days before getting better.
 
I hope so, because as bad as I feel for some people and their experience (mainly because I had a bad WD once) I expected a LOT more and this is literally less inconvenient than allergies... I suppose I will know by Tue...

I came to FL expecting to stay for 3 weeks, it would be awesome if I got lucky and could go back to NYC in a week.

Thanks Tommyboy. MUCH APPRECIATED!
 
If you are taking klonopin then that's likely making it a lot more bearable. Some people find that benzos alleviate most of the withdrawal symptoms as long as their habit wasn't too big.
 
You would be feeling it by now for sure, so you're probably clear of any abrupt onset of acute w/d symptoms. Opioid withdrawl is a highly subjective experience, and is largely psychological, even the physical symptoms. Basically, mindset can have a tremendous impact on the overall degree of shittyness of the experience. Staying occupied and optimistic leads to a drastic reduction in the level of awareness we tend to involuntarily devote to the symptomatic misery that often dominates the psyche during withdrawl.

You didn't get lucky or anything though. Like Tommyboy mentioned, sometimes w/d can be intense and miserable, and other times it can be mild and very manageable, from the same drug, same dose and all. The severity of the phenomenon is dependent on a plethora of circumstantial factors. So be grateful that this time was mild, and don't go thinking you are invincible or immune from opioid withdrawl.
 
in my experience oral morphine at 100 mg is not nearly as strong as 60+ mg of oxycodone.
i personally think u managed to hype yourself up too much about how much w/d u were in because you had managed to lower your tolerance possibly. then your w/ds turned out to be lesser which is great. IV morphine is greatly stronger and sometimes poeple get mixed up about how strong the oral is compared to the IV.

i also think some people are just prone to get the damn job done easier somehow too. Be greatful and keep on truckin' !! %)

thats alot of suboxone to jump off at if u were still taking 8 mg at once. but u managed to wait 3 days in between, thats great. so i bet that helped too...

u just did a good job, and should keep up the good work trying to stay clean the hardest part may be yet to come and just dont realize it. make sure you realize you had an addiction and not just a physical addiciton. just stay active and positive... thats the best feeling in the world to wake up and be like, damn i made it a week! a month! and so on!
 
Thank you everyone for your input. It's a great weight off my mind. I in NO WAY feel I am invincible, the first WD I had was bad, goosebumps, cold sweats, bowel stuff, no sleep for days, RLS... I plan on joining the military after 6 weeks clean which will take me out of the situation of being able to get opiates easily. I am grateful I had an easy time this go and I don't see a relapse happening. I have too much of a plan for the future - the military thing is to give me the means to finish my Ivy League education and I will tell you that the burden of chasing and worrying all the time about meds/opiates was a big distraction. Again, thank you everyone.
 
Was it 8 mg taken all at once every 3 days, or 8 mg spread out in separate doses over 3 days? I think in this situation it comes down to how the Suboxone is effecting you more than anything. For some people it gets them a mild opiate high, other people think its no more than stops w/d's. I would guess you are in the latter category, so that might mean you don't have such bad w/d symptoms when you stop it. For me I take 2-3 mg a day of Sub and will be sick the next morning, but I have never stuck it out at a dose that high to quit. I have tapered down to about .1 mg and when stopping that I didn't even notice a difference. I do feel I get a decent buzz from Subs. This is all jut speculation on my part, but with the intricacies of how Suboxone/Subutex work it could be an issue in how your brain reacts to it. I mean its probably the same for powerful opioids like oxy or heroin, everyone's brain reacts differently. Hence why one person may think the worst part of w/d is RLS and another nausea/vomitting and another insomnia/anxiety.
 
It was 8MG all at once. I never cut the strips up. I NEVER got a buzz from Subs. Tried to take 32mg a few years ago and nothing.... so for me it was all about keeping the withdrawl at bay. That's crazy you would be sick the next day - the half life on that stuff is crazy long, but everyone is different obviously especially with this stuff. For me the bad WD I had, the worst part was the combo of cold sweats RLS and lack of sleep. This go around is a completely different story. I can deal with the sleep stuff.
 
^Good for you, I'd just stick with it and you should be out of the wood chipper in 4-5 days. I doubt it gets any worse than it is at this point, if so very marginally.

32 mg, dang, after 4-6 mg there is no added value. Except you would be w/d free for like 1-2 weeks with the half life. Its too bad that the ceiling effects stops any positive feelings past the 4-6 mg range.
 
I had always read that the ceiling was 32 mg. I'm not sure they would make 8mg strips/tabs otherwise. The literature could be wrong though. Thanks for the input Rtrain. Appreciated!
 
Yet another day and no WD symptoms that are of any significant consequence. I feel a sense of impending doom and the hammer is going to come down, but given the math of 6 days off and still nothing is nothing short of crazy good fortune. Has anyone else detoxed only to have the WD come WAY later than it "should have"???
 
I went thru REALLY bad ones when I was taking OC 80's 3 to 6 times a day plus handfuls of dilaudid 8mg's. This time nada. I've been on opiates for 4-5 years with a single 4 day break (the bad WD). So who knows. It's another day and while I am tired as shit from the klonopin and ambien to sleep at night, otherwise I am MINT! I wonder if I will even have to deal with PAWS to a significant degree - the only theroy I have behind that is the intense work I did at the Ivy League I attend (possibly I created a new network of neurotransmitters with all the hard ass work I have been up to for the past few years. This is just a guess, but I kind of need to find rationale for how well things went and I am clueless as to any other explanation. It's another day and I feel good. Thanks BennyZA for the input.
 
Everyone is different when it comes to withdrawals. Suboxone is only a partial agonist so at least on paper the withdrawals will be a lot easier than w/d from something like oxycodone.

Staying physically and mentally active also helps a huge amount, by helping restore natural production of endorphins.
 
Tuesday... been a week. I'm seriously looking forward to being able to pass a drug test so I can go ahead and join the military. I'm a natural with a gun and feel the structure would be awesome. Three or four more weeks to go and off to the enlistment office I suppose.
 
Dude try Clonidine for withdrawals it's f*cking amazing. It helps in a million different ways. I'm sure everyone on here agrees with me that its the best thing you can take for wd's and or to get off opiates.

That's awesome though that your not wd'in. The first time I got off pain meds and benzos for the first time AT the same time I had absolutely no withdrawals from the klonopin or from the opiates and I was on them both for 2 years. I was on about 60 mg of oxy and 5 mg of klonopin and yea man no withdrawals
 
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Dude try Clonidine for withdrawals it's f*cking amazing. It helps in a million different ways. I'm sure everyone on here agrees with me that its the best thing you can take for wd's and or to get off opiates.

That's awesome though that your not wd'in. The first time I got off pain meds and benzos for the first time AT the same time I had absolutely no withdrawals from the klonopin or from the opiates and I was on them both for 2 years. I was on about 60 mg of oxy and 5 mg of klonopin and yea man no withdrawals
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Clonidine can definitely help, but it only really makes you feel any better if you have a relatively small habit IME. Every time I had to kick a large habit, clonidine wouldn't touch the withdrawals.
 
tried clonidine before once, all it did was make me woozy. I had a pretty large intake of opiates at the time too (3 to 6 80mg oxy's and maybe 10-15 8mg dilaudid). Worked it down to 100 mg morphine 3-ish times a day and then the suboxone 8mg for a month and today is day 8 off and I still cant sleep without the ambien and klolopin mix. But with time I will be cool I'm sure. Thanks!
 
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