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Getting off of opiates, with no withdrawals, and no Suboxone or methadone - using ONLY Vitamin C - NOT A JOKE! READ THIS!
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NY2soFlo
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I know this is a older post, but I think any anecdotal information is helpful to us, since detoxing outside of a rehab is a crapshoot and the fear of it all makes so many (including myself) put it off.
I've been a full out opiate addict for over 16 years- the classic story (oxy->dope->fent). Ive had some bouts of clean time, but nothing consistent or noteworthy. I've detoxed hundreds of times on my own, and 4 in detoxes. IMO- I don't mess with sub tapers anymore since all the fent I get these days stays in my system abnormally long, and I've gone into PW after waiting 4 DAYS! Needless to say, If I have to wait 4 days to start a taper, I feel I mind as well just push through it.
These days, I won't even consider a detox at home unless I have at least CLONIDINE. Preferably paired with the normal cocktail of detox PRNs, but I could do it with clonidine alone. But now... VITAMIN C.
For me- it has been absolutely fucking wildly affective. Hearing "vitamin C" for withdrawal is something I typically would write off. Kind of like hearing "hydrate, eat nutritious foods, rest, and have some sleepy time tea!" Yea... sure. LOL.
But seriously, a few detoxes ago I decided to just give it a shot. I bought a bulk container of Sodium Ascorbate powder. I mixed up 3-4 doses worth in a big cup with some gatorade or something with some flavor. I dosed it at 2g (2,000mg) per dose, and knocked one of those doses back every 2-3 hours or so. Obviously, this wasnt exact, but more or less. I cannot express enough how INCREDIBLY helpful it was. Sure, I was detoxing. I was not having a good time. But hell...it was NOT the minute by minute excruciating experience it always has been. It seemed like most of my symptoms were at least 75% reduced. It was bearable. Adding in some clonidine, a muscle relaxer, tylenol, and Imodium, and honestly there were times where I was kind of just chilling. Bored, honestly.
Outside of reducing the normal symptoms, One big thing I noticed is a slight bit more energy. Not a lot, but I was able to make and eat food, and clean up after myself. I could shower without it taking hours to get myself psyched up. Small things like that were much more doable. My mental state was not as wildly terrible. And because of all this, I think that also helped with my overall experience. Being able to move around a little, EAT and drink, all of it helped keep me out of the true hell we all know it could be.
The link in my signature is the log I did during the initial detox, and then another more recently. Theres a LOT of good info in there in terms of meds, supplements, and background info that a few others contributed.
I'm not up here trying to die on a hill to support vitamin C or anything. Just putting it out there that for $30 bucks, its at least worth a shot! why not!
Also- for anyone out there worried about poisoning yourself with vitamin C... its water soluable. Drink enough water and you'll piss out what you don't use. Obviously if you have liver or kidney problems, I'd be cautious and look into it more. But then again, do you hold that same level of concern with the $200 a day of dope you do? (lol). Good luck to all those struggling out there. I hope this finds at least someone in need, and I'm excited for your experience with it!
I've been a full out opiate addict for over 16 years- the classic story (oxy->dope->fent). Ive had some bouts of clean time, but nothing consistent or noteworthy. I've detoxed hundreds of times on my own, and 4 in detoxes. IMO- I don't mess with sub tapers anymore since all the fent I get these days stays in my system abnormally long, and I've gone into PW after waiting 4 DAYS! Needless to say, If I have to wait 4 days to start a taper, I feel I mind as well just push through it.
These days, I won't even consider a detox at home unless I have at least CLONIDINE. Preferably paired with the normal cocktail of detox PRNs, but I could do it with clonidine alone. But now... VITAMIN C.
For me- it has been absolutely fucking wildly affective. Hearing "vitamin C" for withdrawal is something I typically would write off. Kind of like hearing "hydrate, eat nutritious foods, rest, and have some sleepy time tea!" Yea... sure. LOL.
But seriously, a few detoxes ago I decided to just give it a shot. I bought a bulk container of Sodium Ascorbate powder. I mixed up 3-4 doses worth in a big cup with some gatorade or something with some flavor. I dosed it at 2g (2,000mg) per dose, and knocked one of those doses back every 2-3 hours or so. Obviously, this wasnt exact, but more or less. I cannot express enough how INCREDIBLY helpful it was. Sure, I was detoxing. I was not having a good time. But hell...it was NOT the minute by minute excruciating experience it always has been. It seemed like most of my symptoms were at least 75% reduced. It was bearable. Adding in some clonidine, a muscle relaxer, tylenol, and Imodium, and honestly there were times where I was kind of just chilling. Bored, honestly.
Outside of reducing the normal symptoms, One big thing I noticed is a slight bit more energy. Not a lot, but I was able to make and eat food, and clean up after myself. I could shower without it taking hours to get myself psyched up. Small things like that were much more doable. My mental state was not as wildly terrible. And because of all this, I think that also helped with my overall experience. Being able to move around a little, EAT and drink, all of it helped keep me out of the true hell we all know it could be.
The link in my signature is the log I did during the initial detox, and then another more recently. Theres a LOT of good info in there in terms of meds, supplements, and background info that a few others contributed.
I'm not up here trying to die on a hill to support vitamin C or anything. Just putting it out there that for $30 bucks, its at least worth a shot! why not!
Also- for anyone out there worried about poisoning yourself with vitamin C... its water soluable. Drink enough water and you'll piss out what you don't use. Obviously if you have liver or kidney problems, I'd be cautious and look into it more. But then again, do you hold that same level of concern with the $200 a day of dope you do? (lol). Good luck to all those struggling out there. I hope this finds at least someone in need, and I'm excited for your experience with it!
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Note to OP- yes you CAN overdose on vitamin C (ascobic acid). I think you might mean that it's impractical to fatally overdose which isn't the same thing. When toxic symptoms appear - that's an overdose.
Diarrhea, nausea, and stomach cramps are the most common symptoms. Higher rates of kidney stones are associated with supertheraputic doses of vitamin C but I choose to say 'associated' because there aren't enough people taking stupidly high doses of ascorbic acid for us to have decent statistical values to know if other factors are also involved.
Most of the symptoms are easily treatable but the diarrhea will indirectly remove electrolyes such as sodium and probably more significantly, potassium. But because it's due to osmosis, you can't take anything to stop it. Only stopping the huge doses of vitamin C will help.
A first-time poster using an AI-generated text to do that classic thing. Saying one naturally occuring compound (so no legal requirements for safety and effacacy to be assured & no laws about making false claims) based on cherry-picked small studies is dubious.
Heck, the one that actually is about using ascorbic acid to treat the symptoms of heroin detoxification is from the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine (read about it) and was written by 'The Senior Director of Research AIBMR Life Sciences, one Alexander G. Schauss, PhD, FACN - but claims no conflict of interest when HE OWNS THE JOURNAL!
Oh, I checked,
His PhD? In Psychology.
FACN - Fellow of the American College of Nutrition and you tell me the qualifications needed to get that qualification. It says 'PhD in an appropriate field' so is psychology then 'an appropriate field'? It would seem so.
I DID note that when given parentherally, ascorbic acid was found to be opiate-sparing in two small human studies. It isn't stated but I can only guess that oral dosing was avoided for digestive issues I mentioned. So citing a nurse is... not ideal.
I think people should consider EXACTLY what the OP wrote. Hydration alone is probably going to help and decades of HR work mean I know malnutrition among addicts is usual rather than excpetional and when you consider where most ascorbic acid in our diet comes from, it isn't a surprise that something like 58% of long-term opiate addicts are known to have significaltly less ascorbic acid in their bodies than is required for good health. Lack of ascorbic acid can result in hinder the body in it's uptake of things like iron and calcium. The situation with magnesium is a bit more complex but lower ascorbic acid levels is also an issue with that. It's also involved in several critical cycles within the body so someone may feel quite unwell not because of the H but simply becuse the money goes into the hole in the arm, not into the stomach.
So using it if you ARE deficient could certainly make a person feel better.
I used the term addict which I normally avoid. The reason I used it in this case is because I have also observed that addicts always feel much happier if they are taking SOMETHING that is supposed to alter the AWS. The placebo effect is powerful and I don't mean that as criticism. If we could cure broken legs, snow blindness and male pattern baldness just using placebos, that would be safer than any actual medicine. But we can't and don't. But when self-assessment of wellbeing is carried out, a person actively DOING something will always be superior to just sitting there feeling rough.
I don't have the time or energy to totally assess that one citation. If peer-reviewed, the excessive number of weak citations would have been criticized. In people with serious illnesses such as cancer, you have other groups where malnutrition would be expected yet this is never mentioned. It's all open source articles and I hate to say it but while a qualification is indeed just a bit of paper, I think the point of further education is to hone one's skills in critical thinking and the basis is scepticism. So don't just assume that the prenom 'doctor' or 'professor' or a string of letters after a name confirs domain expertise. Epistemic trespassing is the formal term but put simply, it's the belief that mastering one domain of knowledge magically makes a person equally well informed in another field.
BTW if someone has ascorbic acid deficiency, even when supratheraputic doses of ascrobic acid are consumed, it can take three months to correct but people will start to feel better within 1-2 days so if it helps, be aware of the side-effects and good luck!
Diarrhea, nausea, and stomach cramps are the most common symptoms. Higher rates of kidney stones are associated with supertheraputic doses of vitamin C but I choose to say 'associated' because there aren't enough people taking stupidly high doses of ascorbic acid for us to have decent statistical values to know if other factors are also involved.
Most of the symptoms are easily treatable but the diarrhea will indirectly remove electrolyes such as sodium and probably more significantly, potassium. But because it's due to osmosis, you can't take anything to stop it. Only stopping the huge doses of vitamin C will help.
A first-time poster using an AI-generated text to do that classic thing. Saying one naturally occuring compound (so no legal requirements for safety and effacacy to be assured & no laws about making false claims) based on cherry-picked small studies is dubious.
Heck, the one that actually is about using ascorbic acid to treat the symptoms of heroin detoxification is from the Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine (read about it) and was written by 'The Senior Director of Research AIBMR Life Sciences, one Alexander G. Schauss, PhD, FACN - but claims no conflict of interest when HE OWNS THE JOURNAL!
Oh, I checked,
His PhD? In Psychology.
FACN - Fellow of the American College of Nutrition and you tell me the qualifications needed to get that qualification. It says 'PhD in an appropriate field' so is psychology then 'an appropriate field'? It would seem so.
I DID note that when given parentherally, ascorbic acid was found to be opiate-sparing in two small human studies. It isn't stated but I can only guess that oral dosing was avoided for digestive issues I mentioned. So citing a nurse is... not ideal.
I think people should consider EXACTLY what the OP wrote. Hydration alone is probably going to help and decades of HR work mean I know malnutrition among addicts is usual rather than excpetional and when you consider where most ascorbic acid in our diet comes from, it isn't a surprise that something like 58% of long-term opiate addicts are known to have significaltly less ascorbic acid in their bodies than is required for good health. Lack of ascorbic acid can result in hinder the body in it's uptake of things like iron and calcium. The situation with magnesium is a bit more complex but lower ascorbic acid levels is also an issue with that. It's also involved in several critical cycles within the body so someone may feel quite unwell not because of the H but simply becuse the money goes into the hole in the arm, not into the stomach.
So using it if you ARE deficient could certainly make a person feel better.
I used the term addict which I normally avoid. The reason I used it in this case is because I have also observed that addicts always feel much happier if they are taking SOMETHING that is supposed to alter the AWS. The placebo effect is powerful and I don't mean that as criticism. If we could cure broken legs, snow blindness and male pattern baldness just using placebos, that would be safer than any actual medicine. But we can't and don't. But when self-assessment of wellbeing is carried out, a person actively DOING something will always be superior to just sitting there feeling rough.
I don't have the time or energy to totally assess that one citation. If peer-reviewed, the excessive number of weak citations would have been criticized. In people with serious illnesses such as cancer, you have other groups where malnutrition would be expected yet this is never mentioned. It's all open source articles and I hate to say it but while a qualification is indeed just a bit of paper, I think the point of further education is to hone one's skills in critical thinking and the basis is scepticism. So don't just assume that the prenom 'doctor' or 'professor' or a string of letters after a name confirs domain expertise. Epistemic trespassing is the formal term but put simply, it's the belief that mastering one domain of knowledge magically makes a person equally well informed in another field.
BTW if someone has ascorbic acid deficiency, even when supratheraputic doses of ascrobic acid are consumed, it can take three months to correct but people will start to feel better within 1-2 days so if it helps, be aware of the side-effects and good luck!
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going to go on record and say that vit c did not work for me. id take gabapentin and valium over vit c any day of the week for opioid withdrawal
going to go on record and say that vit c did not work for me. id take gabapentin and valium over vit c any day of the week for opioid withdrawal
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