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Heroin Getting black tar into my system...

e_rep

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I recently moved to the Seattle area from the east coast, New Jersey, so I am used to power where I can load an entire dose into one IV shot, and I could do two bundles a day. Now that I'm on the west coast, all I can get is black tar, which is destroying my veins. Because it gets so thick, you can't draw an entire dose for me and I have to literally shoot up around 5 to 7 times just for one dose. It's killing me. I am so sick of digging into my arms looking for a vein to hit, and the pain that comes with it. I am looking into rehab I'm so sick of it, but until I get in there, I know I'm going to use. I don't know what to do anymore. Injecting into my feet is not only difficult, but extremely painful, unless I can get a suggestion on how to do that more easily. Is there anything I can do to purify this crap? Like re-cook it, so I only have to dose once? Anything I can do? I can and have done 6 grams in one setting, and I recently tried smoking it, but with the amount I do, it is not reasonable. I'd like to avoid hitting the large vein in the upper goin area like my dealer does.
 
Yeah smoking it is a waste if you are used to i.v.....you're gonna hate to hear this but....quit heroin?
I'm from AZ and there is HIGH HIGH quality black here (better than powder on the east...for real...) but states like oregon and seattle it's been cut to shit....switch drugs or quit
 
Damn tar in Seattle sucks! Like LOGan1314 said about tar in AZ 6 grams would be enough to kill a half dozen junkies at least. Closer to what you had in NJ. But it's still hard on the veins. Usually they end up shooting into their neck, groin or muscles. None are safe. You could accidentally hit an artery with the neck/groin veins(bad) and could get an abscess or infection with muscle shots(also bad).

You can
1.Quit
2.Find a better connect
3.Switch to something else(dilaudid, opana, even methadone or suboxone)
4.Move

I have wonder if there's something like the acetone wash for coke/meth that could purify tar. But I've never tried or heard of anyone who has.
 
Don't inject into your feet. It's too easy to get an infection down there if you miss a little due to there being less circulation there. It's probably even worse during summer months due to sweat down there. I suggest getting on methadone or suboxone in the meantime while waiting on getting into rehab.

I have wonder if there's something like the acetone wash for coke/meth that could purify tar. But I've never tried or heard of anyone who has.

If you look around you can find a method, but I wouldn't bother since the last time I read the method it seemed like too much work. I just found it here, and it looks like the same method I read a year ago or so.

I read this quote in reply to one of your other threads on doing a lot of tar at once.
You shouldn't be shooting that much in one go it could very potentially wind up fatal. Unless you know perfectly the strength of your current tar and how you felt during your last shot I would seriously not recommend shooting 3 grams at once. Just because you can handle a 2 gram shot without a nod doesn't mean a 3 gram shot wont kill you.

I know heroin is at least more soluble in water than 500mg/ml. I imagine to shoot up 3 grams you would need to use at least 4mls of water, so get yourself a terumo spring-lock 5ml syringe and choose an appropriate gauge needle tip and you're good to go. If the mixture is still thick (i honestly wouldn't shoot it...) but a thicker gauge like a 26 would make it easier to draw up.

Seriously make sure you are micron filtering because I can only imagine shooting that amount of black tar could cause one huge mother fucker of an abscess...

As for how to determine good black from weaker black... You cant really except by doing a test dose.

It's all good info, and I bolded the part that may help you get that much into you at once.
 
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Have you thought about getting your hands on some micron filters and larger syringes? That way you could filter out the gunk, the micron filter will remove anything except the heroin so you have a clean shot, and if you use a 3ml or 5ml barrel you can do your entire dose in one shot.

It's how I used to shoot up oxy and MScontin, it's impossible to prep large pill doses into a single 1ml syringe, but with the larger ones it's no problem and with the micron filter I could remove all of the binders and wax so I'm left with only the active ingredient, I don't see any reason the same couldn't be done with tar.

Call around to local needle exchanges to see if they distribute this stuff, and if they don't you can easily buy it online. It'll save your veins a ton of damage.
 
There is a relatively easy way to at least clean up your tar some to make it a bit easier on your veins............but it takes patience, which isn't always easy when you really need that morning wake up dose...Put the amount of tar you're planning on doing into your cooker and put your normal amount of water onto it..................Usually 50-70 units in a 1cc syringe...................and then instead of immediately cooking it down to get it to melt..........allow the tar to dissolve itself. You can help it along by agitating the water by swishing it around or using a stir to help it break down faster since waiting fucking sucks...........but it will usually take anywhere from 10-20 minutes to fully dissolve on it's own without heat. Once the chunk of tar is fully dissolved, give it one last stir, then take your lighter and very slowly start to apply a little bit of heat...................as it starts to heat up, you will start to notice a cloudy mass in the center of the water, it will literally start to separate, you will notice a darker cloudiness of whatever the dope is cut with start to form in the center of your shot. DO NOT HEAT IT UP TOO FAST OR YOU WILL JUST DISSOLVE THE CUTS RIGHT BACK INTO THE SOLUTION! After about 30 seconds to a minute of heating, you will see a lighter colored-usually yellowish solution sitting underneath a whole bunch of random gunk that looks like coffee grinds or whatever it is your dope is cut with. The nasty shit will be floating on top, while the cleaned up solution sits underneath it..............usually considerably lighter in color than your normal shot would be if you had just cooked it from the start. Put in a decent piece of cotton to pick up all the gunky bullshit and draw up the cleaned up tar into your syringe. Find a vein and fire away. I know it sucks waiting, but your veins will thank you for it in the long run, and since you don't have to heat the dope up for as long............since sometimes it can take a reasonable amount of heat and time to get tar into a decent solution...............you will also end up with a slightly stronger shot since excessive heat destroys dope. This method obviously doesn't get rid of every cut they put in the shit............but it REALLY REALLY helps, and having a lighter colored solution makes it a bit easier to see blood when you register............cuz a big shot of tar can be so fucking dark an muddy, it can be hard to even tell if blood is coming up into your rig.
This method should help you at least be able to do a bigger shot in one go without it being so thick that you can barely draw it up..........and getting rid of a decent bit of the cuts will really save your veins, cuz tar can be wicked on them QUICK. I also recommend ALWAYS using a new syringe for every shot with tar........the shit is hard enough on your veins without the added damage of old rigs beating you up as well. It sounds like the tar you're getting is pretty damn cut...........sorry to hear that man............hope this method at least save your body some, if you can stand to wait for your shot to dissolve. Not all tar is that shitty though.......................I've had every variety of tar and powder of every color and consistency that you can imagine, and point for point............some good tar is EVERY BIT as good as some east coast powder, it's just a slightly different kind of high..........but you can still get your nod on.
Best of luck OP, I wish you the best in life's opiated adventures...........be safe.
 
Ugh... I know that there are some types of tar which are less hard on the vein and demand less water. It's usually of a flakier texture and you can draw it up with under 40 units which is nice. (I'm from the East Coast, but I've been going back and forth between Brooklyn and Oakland the last few months, and the tar did a lot of damage to my veins, so I feel your pain. Eventually you're going to end up shooting into insanely "not-worth-it" veins and blowing out the tiny ones after one shot or developing Deep Vein Thrombosis...).

I'd look into Methadone personally. Black Tar at least gives you a real quick physical glimpse of how ugly addiction can get. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I think it's a pretty universally shared oppinion that spending up to an hour in a bathroom jabbing your self with a syringe filled with thick goo, dripping blood all over the place, and crying out of frustration (or the pain that is induced when you actually do get a proper hit) is fucking sad and grotesque.
 
Damn meow fish, punctuation and paragraph breaks my friend! I've never corrected anyone on BL before, but your post is really hard to read!

Back to topic...I live in Seattle so hopefully I can be of some help. When I used to shoot the shitty tar we get, NOT the "pure" or "raw" I had 2 problems, both tie in with yours. These are what worked for me, not necessarily will fix your probs but lets hope!

1st Problem: Tar was super sludgy. Hard to even draw back.
1st Solution: I had to add more water and cook up the shot longer.

2nd Problem: Running out of room, having to use multiple full needles, killing any hope for a rush.

Before I switched to our "pure/raw" I was shooting about 2 gram shots. Thats how shitty of tar we CAN get here. I would have to use 2-2.5 full syringes. I eventually got a 3cc needle. But I wouldn't recommend this. Because that one time you get some good dope and shooting a big ass shot like this will possibly kill you...quickly.

2nd Solution / Solution to Both your Problems:
A safer solution, would be ask around for gun powder, which is a light brownish powder. Its a little bit better quality and its a smaller, more water soluble dope. Your shot will ultimately be smaller AND "thinner" no longer sludgy and completely ruin your veins.

Just remember, if you get the GP it is normally better quality so be careful. Don't take these measurements to heart but just so you get an idea...In the past 5yrs here in Seattle, everytime I've gotten dope its been like this in terms of shot measurements/types of dope: 1g of regular shitty tar or 0.6g of gun powder or 0.15g of pure/raw.

Pure/raw is the best dope as far as "cleanliness" and most pure, its "point for point" but its also insanely more pure than the tar you are used to now. SO BE CAREFUL! Its literally 4x stronger (on avg) than GP. Which in itself is about probably twice as strong as your tar you are getting. Meaning overall, the pure/raw will be roughly 8x stronger than the average street tar you get in the greater Seattle area.

Another word of caution, once you go to pure its almost impossible to go back to reg tar/GP. So make sure the pros outweigh the cons. Yes, this can be solved with getting better dope like the pure I mention, you just have to ask for it. But if you are cold copping be careful cause guaranteed they will simply tell you what you want to hear.

One more time because I can't stress this enough because of the purity difference...if you end up finding the pure or even GP, do significantly less!

Another solution aside from upgrading your dope (and probably the only other solution - another being using a 3ml syringe but that is NOT safe I encourage no one to use that) would be to QUIT or at least take a break.

Feel free to PM me if you want any further info or want to pick my brain about Seattle dope.
 
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i know dont know what scene is like up north, but down here the tar is pretty good. and theirs almost no youd surrvivie a 2g shot. qual varies alot but for the most part its never so bad youd need that much
 
Tommyboy said:
If you look around you can find a method, but I wouldn't bother since the last time I read the method it seemed like too much work.
I have my doubts about the tek on erowid/heroin helper. First it's pointless to extract tar with hydrochloric acid. It's already the HCl with lots of residual acetic anhydride, pointless at best but could cause some H to break down or even extract more impurities. Second basing tar might not be as straight forward as it appears. Sometimes the major opiate in tar is 6-monoacetylmorphine, sometimes with a lot of unreacted morphine. Black tar with it's impurities might not precipitate as readily as say cocaine and if the ph is too high it will stay in the water or break down. I think with morphine at least it takes awhile to precipitate. Lastly I'm not sure that baking soda will work for freebasing the acid solution.I know that impure cocaine often doesn't precipitate quite that readily with baking soda. And boiling off the water like on the erowid tek will ruin you dope.

An acid/base extraction might go a long way in purifying tar, just not as described.Here's two on bluelight that used that tek.http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/446878-Clean-up-cut-heroin and http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/512887-Waaay-too-much-excess-salt-after-purification
django47 said:
I studied and studied it, had it printed and went out and bought all the ingredients needed, including a chemistry set(that alone cost £200). It was expensive but I reckoned it was a good investment. I'm 63 years old and been on the gear for over 40 years so I remember what smack should be like. Sadly though it was not to be. It didn't bloody well work for me. Maybe if I was a qualified chemist it might have worked. I tried three times but couldn't get it to work for me. I would love to read about any one who had used this method with any degree of success. If any one has, they are a lot cleverer than me.
Like I said I haven't heard of anyone who's succeeded in purifying black tar.

Even with a simple acid/base extraction, will it get rid of the vein destroying impurity? I know that making china white isn't as simple as those teks. Maybe start a real "Heroin Purification Thread" as good as Le Junk's cocaine purification thread? I have ideas but I won't be trying them out anytime soon.

Shit will a micron filter filter out the vein-destroying impurity?
 
^ Ahh, it was erowid where I first read it. I couldn't remember so I was searching around for it yesterday and ended up finding it on heroin helper and opiophile. I wouldn't even attempt that method though, and I think that a micron filter is the easiest way to clean up the dope. If the solution comes out through the micron filter clear, then it's obviously filtering out a lot of crap, so it's worth a try.
 
Using a micron filter with BT is almost certainly better. At least it'll filter out the germs and insoluble shit. But what I wonder is if the vein-destroying shit is something water-soluble? If it's insoluble shit that would be great. I could tell someone about it. But if it's soluble tar might not ever be safe IV, not that heroin's ever safe.
 
Using a micron filter with BT is almost certainly better. At least it'll filter out the germs and insoluble shit. But what I wonder is if the vein-destroying shit is something water-soluble? If it's insoluble shit that would be great. I could tell someone about it. But if it's soluble tar might not ever be safe IV, not that heroin's ever safe.

I wonder if something could be added to neutralize the pH of the solution, without changing the solubility. It seems that tar is more acidic than powder heroin, and I know that with heroin base in the UK and elsewhere the acid they add can cause more vein damage if they put too much in, so I think that the vein damage from the tar may be from the acidity, which wouldn't be solved my micron filtering. I still highly suggest using a micron filter, and I'm sure it would help with preserving veins more than cotton filters.
 
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