• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting RulesBluelight Rules
    PD's Best Threads Index
    Social ThreadSupport Bluelight
    Psychedelic Beginner's FAQ
  • PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe |

German drug legislation.

Anon0631

Anon0631

Bluelighter
Joined
Apr 22, 2012
Messages
711
Location
London, UK
Can someone point me to somewhere I can read about German drug law, particularly that which deals with phenethylamines and their analogues? I have searched high and low but can't find anything.
 
Last edited:
This site seems pretty comprehensive. Looks like they have Schedules (Anlage) and something akin to, though perhaps more limited than, the UK "catch all clause".
 
Cool thanks.

It looks like out of the 2c's, 2c-b, 2c-i, 2c-t2 and 2c-t7 are scheduled and all the others are legal. Can anyone confirm this?
 
Anon0631 said:
Cool thanks.

It looks like out of the 2c's, 2c-b, 2c-i, 2c-t2 and 2c-t7 are scheduled and all the others are legal. Can anyone confirm this?
Click to expand...
I´m not 100% sure, but i think so. 2c-p, 2c-e and 2c-c are definitely not listed.

Why are you that interested in the german drug law?
 
Abrad84's Link said:
die Ester, Ether und Molekülverbindungen der in dieser Anlage aufgeführten Stoffe, wenn sie nicht in einer anderen Anlage verzeichnet sind und das Bestehen solcher Ester, Ether und Molekülverbindungen möglich is
Click to expand...

That "Molekülverbindungen" part seems really hazy to me because it looks like it's trying to encompass all analogs ever, but I'm not sure what it's implications are in practice (again, my german is REALLY bad). It does seem like they do have an analog act though, so be cautious with whatever you're trying to do.
 
kidklmx said:
It does seem like they do have an analog act though, so be cautious with whatever you're trying to do.
Click to expand...

No, we dont have an analog act. But a lot of the new occuring RCs get/got banned very quickly.
 
This is the list of illegal psychedelics I have extracted from the above links. Note: I haven't included stimulants and ecstasy type drugs (MDA, FLEA, etc).


Tryptamines

N,N-DET
N,N-DMT
α-ET
5-MeO-DIPT
5-MeO-DMT
α-MT
Psilocin
Psilocybin
4-HO-DET
4-PO-DET
LSD

Phenethylamines

Allylescaline
2c-b
2c-i
2c-t2
2c-t7
MAL
Mescaline
DOC
DOB
2,5-DIETHOXY-4-BROMOAMPHETAMINE
2,5,DMA
DOET
DOM
TMA
TMA-2
 
Last edited:
kidklmx said:
That "Molekülverbindungen" part seems really hazy to me because it looks like it's trying to encompass all analogs ever, but I'm not sure what it's implications are in practice (again, my german is REALLY bad). It does seem like they do have an analog act though, so be cautious with whatever you're trying to do.
Click to expand...
that's right. the same vague formulation is also in the Austrian "Suchtmittelgesetz" ("SMG" for short, law about addictive substances) since many years. as far as I know, this vague formulation of also including "esters, ethers and molekülverbindungen [molecular compounds]" has never been used to sue someone. but unfortunately, Austria took a "pioneering" approach some years ago, adding the "NPSG" (neue psychoaktive substanzen gesetz, law about new psychoactive substances), but this law is also different: it targets only sellers of "new psychoactive substances" (which includes mainly "legal highs" like cannabinoid-containing "smoking mixtures", which were very popular in the German-speaking room several years ago, but also "bath salts", and, of course, "research chemicals"), but pure possession is not a crime (the substance in question will of course be taken away by the authorities).

@Anon0631: thank you for the list. this raises a point that is still unclear to me: Psilocin is illegal, and 4-AcO-DMT should be also illegal because it is an ester of psilocin. yet it seems to me that the law enforcement is too stupid to realize this, so when confronted with 4-AcO-DMT, they would most likely be confused in the first place. again, I know of no legal test case in the German-speaking room that would clarify this.
 
The fact that ethyl analogues of most of the banned substances appear on the list implies that someone decided that there wasn't much chance of securing prosecution for any substance that isn't explicitly mentioned so they made a half arsed attempt to cover bases in advance.
 
ungelesene_bettlek said:
@Anon0631: thank you for the list. this raises a point that is still unclear to me: Psilocin is illegal, and 4-AcO-DMT should be also illegal because it is an ester of psilocin. yet it seems to me that the law enforcement is too stupid to realize this, so when confronted with 4-AcO-DMT, they would most likely be confused in the first place. again, I know of no legal test case in the German-speaking room that would clarify this.
Click to expand...

didnt you just point out that the vague analogue laws that include esters are just targeting sellers and commerce? cannot imagine law inforcement doing molecule accurate subtance tests of rare chemicals (do they even have a reference of newest stuff?) for private possession of sub gram or therelike quantities. they might test with a reagent test quickly to confirm the group, but even that is not practical.

i think its the same as in most countries: as long as you dont wake the dogs by selling or moving large quantities of any substance law enforcement wount step on the toes of a little psychonaut, except you act really stupid (boarding a plane with a full zippie) and bring yourself and/or others in harm.

regarding internet ordered RCs the main question is: what does customs about it. i read scandinavian customs are badass in terms of confiscation. i wonder if they just burn the stuff and dont even notify the recipient or if they hand the interception over to law enforcement. since most online ordered stuff is not illegal in the country you order from, customs will most likely silently intercept and destroy your package. normally they have to notify the recipient, but then he could fight against their act of confiscation, because he aint doing anything wrong before the law. thats why you never get notified and also never know if your shipment was just lost, confiscated or a postman with a damn good nose took it for himself.
 
Obsidius said:
didnt you just point out that the vague analogue laws that include esters are just targeting sellers and commerce? cannot imagine law inforcement doing molecule accurate subtance tests of rare chemicals (do they even have a reference of newest stuff?) for private possession of sub gram or therelike quantities. they might test with a reagent test quickly to confirm the group, but even that is not practical.
Click to expand...
the vague analogue laws have been in the German BTMG and the Austrian SMG for years, without being ever legislated to the best of my knowledge. the new NPSG in Austria defines substance classes and what is considered as analogue pretty extensively and precisely.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top