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General Election 2015

Which party would you cast your vote for?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • Labour

    Votes: 8 16.7%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Greens

    Votes: 14 29.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • BNP

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • SNP

    Votes: 6 12.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • None of the above (feel free to post in thread)

    Votes: 11 22.9%

  • Total voters
    48
  • Poll closed .
I don't read the Daily Mail. I don't believe in reading newspapers when they're full of shite n the focus is around spoiling people's ljves. Ugh!

How do I find out what's going on in my constituency so that I can vote accordingly? If I remember rightly we had a labour seat for many years a Martin Jones.

Evey

Clwyd South Evey. If you want to keep the Tories out its a seat where its definitely worth voting Labour as they've had their majority cut over the years and only won by 3000 votes last time. That's less than 10% of the vote so counts as a marginal seat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clwyd_South_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
 
Nothing about this in the normal media: http://occupydemocracy.org.uk/ - it's not like it has anything to do with politics is it...

Occupy Democracy 1-10 May, Parliament Square...

We believe that:

our democracy has been captured by corporations, banks and the wealthy,
our political system works in the interests of the 1% and not the 99%,
nobody voted for NHS privatisation, fracking, TTIP, the tripling of tuition fees, etc,
our parliament is a corrupted and unrepresentative institution
ordinary people deserve a fair say in the decisions that affect them,
our votes, hard won by previous generations, have little value today,
there is an alternative!

We demand:

reform of party funding so that members of parliament act in the interests of those who elect them rather than the 1% who bankroll them,
major democratic reform of the media to break the stranglehold of vested interests,
a fundamental overhaul of lobbying and the way powerful economic interests inhabit the corridors of power within government,
the introduction of proportional representation so that everyone’s vote counts,
that MPs should not have conflicts of interests from either paid employment or corporate shareholdings,
a citizen-led constitutional convention for real democracy.

People who think there's much point in voting should look up the city of london office of 'Remembrancer' - he's the geezer that sits behind the speaker in parliament and keeps an eye out for any legislation that the city of london (the elite) don't like. He also has daily meetings with the prime minister to discuss legislation, and they even have an office in brussels to check over legislation there too. The office of remembrancer has existed since 1571 so predates our democracy (the city of london corporation itself dates back to the tenth century) - these ancient feudal institutions straddle our 'democracy' and are impervious to accountability - without dealing with this massive power centre which controls the majority of the world's tax havens and launders most of the worlds dirty drug money, we're not even close to democracy.
 
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Aye. I think more people should know about all that archaic nonsense.

George Monbiot: The medieval, unaccountable Corporation of London is ripe for protest
Working beyond the authority of parliament, the Corporation of London undermines all attempts to curb the excesses of finance

It's funny how all this completely necessary austerity never seems to affect all these wankers, or any of the outdated and pointless ceremonial pish they still carry out in Parliament.
 
"The UK Gold" - is a good documentary looking at the City of London Corporation and its control of most of the world's tax havens.

"Emperor's New Clothes" (russel brand's new film) also has some stuff about it, and is worth a watch generally (though it looks like russel has joined the dark side a bit and endorsed voting milliband)
 
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gerry adams' twitter account is a barrel of laughs with stuff like
Gerry Adams @GerryAdamsSF · May 1

2night Is The Night Im Gonna Bate The Stomach Bug B.......d. No Stomach Bug Is Gonna Break Me! Oiche Mhaith. Xoxozzzz

and 'going 4 a fish supper'
 
He has nearly 10 million Twitter followers; his YouTube interview with Ed Miliband received well over a million hits and counting; he is listened to by hundreds of thousands of disillusioned Britons, particularly young people who have been repeatedly kicked over the last few years. Russell Brand matters.

And however much bluff and bluster the Tories now pull – maybe more playground abuse from David Cameron, who called Brand a “joke” – his endorsement of Labour in England and Wales will worry them. More people have registered to vote than ever before: between the middle of March and the deadline to register, nearly 2.3 million registered, over 700,000 of them 24 years old or younger. In countless marginal seats, disillusioned voters who were either going to plump for a protest party or not vote at all could well decide whether we are ruled by David Cameron, George Osborne and Iain Duncan Smith for another half a decade.
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Naturally, Brand’s endorsement is being portrayed as a giant U-turn, and sure enough, he has abandoned his “no vote” stance. But Brand has been on a very public political journey, previously indicating his support for voting for Scottish independence and Syriza in Greece. He has been supportive of the Greens, and still calls on the people of Brighton Pavilion to return Caroline Lucas to parliament.

And it isn’t quite as big a U-turn as you might think. Brand has thrown his support behind grassroots struggles, particularly over housing. He believes that change “comes from below, movements putting pressure on governments”, but if those in power are resolutely hostile, then there are limitations to what such pressure can achieve. He’s not advocating a vote for Labour because he’s become a born-again Milibandite, but because he believes Labour are far more amenable to pressure than Tories who will happily shred the welfare state, the NHS, social housing and workers’ rights. When Ed Miliband met Brand, the comedian-cum-activist explained, he made it clear he “welcomes and wants pressure from below”.
Russell Brand changes mind about voting and urges support for Labour
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Brand is sometimes bizarrely portrayed as the cause of voter disengagement: obviously, it’s our political and media elites who are responsible for that. But actually he is a symptom. He achieved such traction because he summed up how millions of people already felt. He has won the ear of a section of the population that practically no other public figure has.

Brand is sometimes bizarrely portrayed as the cause of voter disengagement ... But actually he is a symptom

And he is now directly appealing to those citizens with a clear message, which I will try to faithfully sum up: yes, what you’re being offered in modern politics is simply not good enough. But the Tories are already building a fractured nation of food banks and falling living standards and tax cuts for the rich, and another five years of this is unconscionable. Labour are the only means to evict them in three days’ time, but the real struggle begins on 8 May, when we will keep Ed Miliband to his word and pile pressure on him over housing, low wages, workers’ rights, public services, and whatever else. I would not so publicly shift my position so dramatically unless I believed this was a real emergency, an imminent threat to the futures of millions of people, and to the struggles for justice that we so desperately need.

In three days’ time, millions will be voting. A Tory-led government propped up by the DUP and the “scapegoat immigrants while cutting taxes for the rich” Ukippers is one option. It will be a bleaker Friday morning than any of us currently imagine if so. The other outcome is a Labour minority government actively held to account every single day by those of us who want a country run in the interests of working people. Time is running out. But in recognising the gravity of the situation, Russell Brand has done his bit to stave off disaster and defend the struggles for justice that now beckon.

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...rand-endorsed-labour-tories-should-be-worried

Owen Jones. Who I do respect.
 
gerry adams' twitter account is a barrel of laughs with stuff like
Gerry Adams @GerryAdamsSF · May 1

2night Is The Night Im Gonna Bate The Stomach Bug B.......d. No Stomach Bug Is Gonna Break Me! Oiche Mhaith. Xoxozzzz

and 'going 4 a fish supper'

I would not vote for any cunt that has a twitter or facebook account - especially if they say 'lol'..

(Not that the previous post mentioned 'lol', but the sentiment was implied..)
 

How long does this cycle have to go on? We give in in fear of the tories to a 'centrist' (trans:right wing/neoliberal) labour candidate who makes noises that sound sort of ok if you really try and hope, but in reality are pretty right wing (stop benefits for immigrants; make all young people go on workfare for benefits; cut spending to create growth (complete economic lunacy); sounding like business as usual over interventionist foreign policy) - then the gullible left becomes demoralised over time from having to try and justify the government not doing what we bloody well know they won't do - and then he right wing tories get back in and the cycle restarts. This might be cynical, but it's wearily earned cynicism.

Obviously i'd rather have a labour government than a tory one if i'm forced, but lesser evil-ism still results in evil (that's not hyperbole when we remember iraq) - when do we get to vote for non-evil? I fear that only by having tories back in will the proper left grow some balls and ditch neolabour, replacing it with an actual people's party - but it would be difficult/impossible for me to help the tories on purpose, or advise anyone else to - this fear is what they rely on, on both sides of the divide.

I'm not going to insult my own imagination by thinking 'maybe miliband is really a socialist in secret, and once he's in he'll be like the sandinistas' - i wasn't fooled by blair, but i know many who actually believed this shit of him quite a way into his stay. Don't forget that ed balls worked for goldman sachs before joining labour; as did whiny-nasal rachel reeves (the one who said labour shouldn't represent the unemployed); and also look at jim murphy who is lauded by the labour machine, and is a card carrying member of neocon Henry Jackson Society (and is actually insane). Miliband's people may be less blairite than the blairites, but they're not really much different in the grand scheme (they're still just as scared/enamoured of the city).

Jones and brand's argument is just get labour in now and then hassle them to be more left wing, but i think it's naive to think this will work any better than under blair (i have got hope i'm wrong about miliband, but it's quite small and withered from decades of experience of labour).
 
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