I apologize. Don't turn this into another 23 argument. I didn't bring it up for that although knew it might happen.
I am me, although I don't disagree with some of your arguments, I don't really recall anybody claiming empirical evidence on the side of gemstones having at this time proven "powers". Also, although my post came after yours, it wasn't to you. I thought about replying but you didn't really say much else other than something to draw argument... and I didn't feel like arguing exactly. I quote the beginning of this thread:
I'm hoping this thread will not invite a bunch of nay sayers
If you don't believe in stones having energy, I can respect that- but I am really interested in hearing about people's experiences with crystal/stone healing and energy clearing.
Clearly, this isn't a place to argue. If you want to argue your point, Science & Tech might be the place for it... but I might laugh, as I don't think.. I would know where to start. Science might
not be able to prove they are "magic"- but I doubt that science can prove that they're
not- one way or the other.
Also, the movie... came out years after I began "seeing", and by seeing, I mean in part seeing 23. Mine didn't to my knowledge start by hearing what others said, though others might have said it, and I might have heard it.
Everything can be related somehow. I've heard your arguments by too many to not consider.. but I don't know. I'd feel it would hold more weight coming from someone who has had similar experience to me and many others- with seeing it. Also, yea any number might be found to do similar things, but it's especially easy to do it with 23. That should still give it more respect than I see you giving it. You seem to go a to b and just fall asleep or something. I hear the argument a lot-
but have not once seen an example of another pulling a number out of their bum and relating it. If you're going to argue it, argue it.
I do agree that it's easy to go off the deep end and ... just bring irrelevant stuff up- in context, destroying myself and this in talking about this. I tend to tie myself in knots much of the time, and most of my talking about 23- trying to bring what I have seen to light so others can see, gets wiped... deleted. One thing about it though, is that it does sort of defy explanation, anyway, and likes to hide. It seems the only people that get it are others that get it (or perhaps their own "mystical" or unexplainable... stuff. You have to have it to get it... and you might not have it. It's my fault for bringing it up, easily.
But you weren't being nice. If you read my post you could have, but it could have been my fault- you know... uhh. You could have caught that I was just talking. It's a very common number for me. In a lot of places that I don't dig for. In ways this confirmation bias does definitely play a part, too. One might ask why, though? Why so commonly 23? Have you seen the number in movies? In a lot of places. Why?
Tonight, while discussing this thread on my phone, at work- I had to change an order and discard the first- which was order 23. I've never had to do that. There was more than I'll say. It seems talking about it increases how frequent it is seen, in a way. It
is heavily "user-dependent"- the "programming". I have found other numbers become common... but it seems they have to be connected to something already in. The mind is powerful. But it might not all be contained in the brain. In ways it might be an instrument, not unlike at all, a musical instrument... so. Right. A song- everything. Or noise, depending on you at the time. And in one song, there are other songs... and interpretations.
Just before surgery on 8/4, a doctor said 23 loudly and clearly as some number on a chart and just about at that same time I was given nerve drugs which really made me not care. It's probably the last number I heard. On my check-up about a month later I sat across from a Hispanic guy with a number 23 something jersey. He had what looked to be gang related tattoos but I'm honestly not familiar... and talked like he was from Indiana. There's more about Thomas Jefferson, too. I ended up intersecting them at the parking garage after being separate for at least 40 minutes in our appointments.. holding the door open for them. He was with a woman, and a small child-girl. It turned out we parked with one space in between us, just as inside, facing one another... a common aisle-the one space. Beginning and end on that, hopefully. Just the night prior to this, I had looked up and taken an interest in tattoos, for the first time... ever. I'm 29 and I don't have interest, but I saw a sample of Somoan tattoos, and found the style really attractive. It often happens like this. I'll focus on something the night before- read about it... become interested, I'll notice it blatantly the next day. Not that this was somoan, but something about his tattoos were interesting as well, and in the context- perhaps. Again, the mind... Might we really have the ear of the universe? Or might it just program/lay in our anticipating actions? I would gather the latter, but it might as well be the former, as well, for use-ability. And then, it is.
Sometimes I don't think it moves at all. In some sense, the entirety of our universe- the multiverse might be crystalline or at least semi in structure, throughout the dimensions. It might have to be... as so much of "it" is already. Why would this not resonate-self-resonate? Although the stone itself might not have so much "energy" of it's own... in their presence, certain things within us.. things science hasn't yet grasped, might happen to resonate, react, absorb/expel Etc as a result of some received information. Perhaps we process things in ways we don't understand. Like animals fulfill parts of living ecosystems, to say humans are completely out of this equation is kind of presumptuous. We just can't understand ourselves, like a hive of bees can't understand in the way we might, that their work is going toward humans... One difference is that we might destroy all of the other layers for whatever is taking advantage of us, and hell, it might be in it's programming to do the same thing, in a sense, just as stars die, and the center of the galaxy is one huge starcrushing singularity.. uhh.
So maybe that's magic. Maybe we're that, as far as the animals go. We have the most potential for singularity, so at us is some center of gravity- to the universe. In a sense, it favors us. In this sense, prayer might work, as it's our minds functioning, focusing on something, and hopefully becoming in tune with somethings... resonating at those frequencies. ... We tend to think we're outside of what we perceive in believing that we can truly really error in a system that favors competition and growth, and forward movement. We think conflicted... so in this sense, we should listen more, and choose arguments wisely, as we're already there, in opposition with ourselves.
We- having intelligence, came from "the universe", which we seem to assume doesn't have what we have. That we are somehow responsible for and in control of "intelligence" and can understand with our science what we couldn't understand last year yet we argue the entirety with "science" when we should [maybe] only look for it, listen to and only try to be open to it. If not. Maybe another time. It's ok.
Perhaps though, your entry here was for more than argument. Maybe in your argument you want the opponent.
But in a sense, at least how I perceived the word placebo, I would say that much of this stuff
is that if by placebo it means the mind "makes" the effect, not the perceived medicine- the belief. I know that's not the literal definition but I feel like that's what it means. If by that, I believe it still may be possible... as I don't know the limits of the "mind."
"Placebo"- the word implying differentiation is implying the psychological/mental and whatnot being outside of the realm of the physical, where the physical could actually be within more of an "intelligence", or something resembling us- our minds, our existence in ways, just on a different level(s).
Very cool.
