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GBL Megathread: 3ml and Wobbling
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I hate when I write a long post and the window has expired so I lose it all 
Long story short, this thread has made me reexamine my own use and pull back. Last night was the first in months that I didn't have any to fall asleep and so far so good. I'm pretty tired as I'm writing this even. I definitely have the mental urge to have some but haven't noticed any physical withdrawals.
One thing I have noticed, when I do it a lot, is my back muscles knotting up. I have a few big knots in my lower back and I'm sure a lot more around my shoulder blades. Any idea what causes this? I'm trying to drink a lot of water and take regular vitamins and will probably go see a masseuse. Is there anything I can do to avoid this from happening again if I end up doing it a lot one weekend?
Long story short, this thread has made me reexamine my own use and pull back. Last night was the first in months that I didn't have any to fall asleep and so far so good. I'm pretty tired as I'm writing this even. I definitely have the mental urge to have some but haven't noticed any physical withdrawals.
One thing I have noticed, when I do it a lot, is my back muscles knotting up. I have a few big knots in my lower back and I'm sure a lot more around my shoulder blades. Any idea what causes this? I'm trying to drink a lot of water and take regular vitamins and will probably go see a masseuse. Is there anything I can do to avoid this from happening again if I end up doing it a lot one weekend?
Shambles
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The muscle spasms/cramps/knots are pretty shitty, Chrissie. I used to get them all the time. For me just a bog-standard multivitamin daily made a huge difference, but not for you by the looks of things
As far as HR goes, the advice would be to not use the stuff I guess, but back in the real world... I find a low (and I do mean low) dose of something with muscle relaxant properties can help. Before the vitamins I'd often use a benzo (usually diazepam) or alcohol for this problem. Clearly this is neither safe nor enjoyable (for many) in higher doses but at low dose (maybe 5-10mg of diazepam, a glass of wine or two or equivalent) I personally don't find it to be a problem and can help a fair bit. As mentioned, it couldn't be really described as truly safe by any means... but it helped me.
I'd always thought vitamin depletion (especially B vitamins) was the cause, along with more basic stuff like not stretching or generally moving about and the like - both can also help, in my experience.
Good luck with the re-examination
As far as HR goes, the advice would be to not use the stuff I guess, but back in the real world... I find a low (and I do mean low) dose of something with muscle relaxant properties can help. Before the vitamins I'd often use a benzo (usually diazepam) or alcohol for this problem. Clearly this is neither safe nor enjoyable (for many) in higher doses but at low dose (maybe 5-10mg of diazepam, a glass of wine or two or equivalent) I personally don't find it to be a problem and can help a fair bit. As mentioned, it couldn't be really described as truly safe by any means... but it helped me.
I'd always thought vitamin depletion (especially B vitamins) was the cause, along with more basic stuff like not stretching or generally moving about and the like - both can also help, in my experience.
Good luck with the re-examination
SA
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Watch out, chrissie. May not be your back muscles.
FUCKING HELL! I've maybe managed 40mls - tops, but there's something certainly strange about that. The fact you haven't even passed out. Madness. You are wired backwards, my friend.
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FUCKING HELL! I've maybe managed 40mls - tops, but there's something certainly strange about that. The fact you haven't even passed out. Madness. You are wired backwards, my friend.
Even 40ml in 24 hours would kick my ass!
You want to see Cbrox on the stuff though, now there is some seriously strange wiring!!!!
Shambles
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Cbrox is a freak of druggy nature - 7ml and still (sort of) conscious 8(
:D
Not to mention getting the munchies on stims. That boy's a medical curiosity
I still suspect tramadol may be affecting the guice for me. I seem to have some odd reactions to other drugs when I'm on it cos even I was shocked at the amount I got through. I've made a point of cutting back on it cos the kinda amount I somehow got through there is just plain stupid![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
:DNot to mention getting the munchies on stims. That boy's a medical curiosity
I still suspect tramadol may be affecting the guice for me. I seem to have some odd reactions to other drugs when I'm on it cos even I was shocked at the amount I got through. I've made a point of cutting back on it cos the kinda amount I somehow got through there is just plain stupid
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I know, I saw that boy munch a family bag of crisps while high on meph, when he stayed at mine too we were on meph and he ate sandwiched!
Was it 7 or 9 ml he had Shammy? Either way he was still concious (ish). That boy is amazing!!!!
75ml is a lot mate. I don't see how the tramadol would make it less effective though? G seems to potentiate opiates so surly would just add to the sedating qualities?
Was it 7 or 9 ml he had Shammy? Either way he was still concious (ish). That boy is amazing!!!!
75ml is a lot mate. I don't see how the tramadol would make it less effective though? G seems to potentiate opiates so surly would just add to the sedating qualities?
Shambles
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Tramadol isn't really an opiate, Wahslab. Well, it sort of is, but it has a number of other effects including SNRI action. It's a very strange drug indeed and has all sorts of weird interactions. Odd stuff and one to be careful with used in conjunction with any other drug.
It's far from sedating with G for me - speedy as fuck. But tramadol is also speedy anyway. It affects the uptake of norepinephrine/noradrenaline which would be my prime candidate for the weird increase in speedy effects of G. I really don't know about such things though so pure uneducated conjecture on my part. Maybe f&b would have some ideas if he pops by and sees this
It's far from sedating with G for me - speedy as fuck. But tramadol is also speedy anyway. It affects the uptake of norepinephrine/noradrenaline which would be my prime candidate for the weird increase in speedy effects of G. I really don't know about such things though so pure uneducated conjecture on my part. Maybe f&b would have some ideas if he pops by and sees this
Full Effect
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The only time I combined Trams and G it knoked the crap out of me, not a combo I'll be trying again, was bad enough for me to be a little worried for a bit, so yeah i don't recommend that one..
SA
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Hi chrissie. What I meant was that, especially when taxing the kidneys is involved, back pain is often mistaken as muscular, when it is in fact kidney related. GBL or alcohol, no difference, you are taxing your kidneys and liver. The stressed former (kidneys) is likely what gives you the "knots in back" feeling, while the stressed latter (liver) plays havoc with your blood sugar levels. Once those are out of balance, there goes your metabolism and mood and the ability to recover from mood down-spirals and negative, volatile, impulsive (sometimes perceived as psychotic) expressions of self.
Whatever else drugs you're having fun with, chrissie, GBL adds, exponentially, to the negative side effects. So, for instance, if your body was, under normal conditions, able to cope with limited intake of meph, taking GBL taxes the liver to the extent that meph now becomes a much faster acting "poison". Interesting... what do we usually take to ease meph along, or ease off a meph comedown? GBL.
Same thing with most drugs. We stack and mix, then, coupled with crappy diets and minimally assimilable vitamin pills, wonder why our bodies aren't keeping the health. Our body is mostly water. Fill it with such. That's under normal conditions. If you tax the body, then enrich that water with as easily assimilable nutrients as the water itself. Enter fresh squeezed juice (carrots+green_apple, primarily). Those vitamin pills... they're likely not doing you much good. Not only are they not assimilated to any great extent normally, the case is even less so with a taxed liver. Get some milk thistle caps at least as a daily supplement to help regenerate the liver. Eat (or drink; freshly squeezed only, though, not that store shelf garbage) lots of vegetables. Take a tablespoon of cod liver oil every day, especially now that we're heading into winter.
SA
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'negative, volatile, impulsive (sometimes perceived as psychotic) expressions of self. '
Can you expand on that statement please?
You know how someone acts when drunk sometimes? "Impulsive, negative, irrational, volatile"? Same can happen when sober, from simple dietary or blood sugar imbalances. We stress the liver and it hits back at us with cumulative ills upon ills. We then start looking for ways to cure the symptoms of those ills, meanwhile the only thing needed was to take better care of the liver. If you're going to have that alcoholic drink or GBL tonight, drink plenty of water before bed and tomorrow morning, don't let a coffee be the first thing you drop on your tired, dehydrated liver. Not only is your liver and body and mind going to be happier, but you'll probably stop wondering "why isn't one/two/three doses not having an effect on me any more?". Zat ist all.
(Quick question, does using it to sleep after stims have the same waking up effect, benzos seem to have stopped working
Hate to repeat myself but this might just gelp my diaz problem if its smethin that makes you slrrp proprtly after sums, unlike on its own