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GBL Megathread: 3ml and Wobbling

Shambles said:
Discussion is always a good thing and if you read back some of the replies here you can see that having a modstick doesn't necessarily mean we (meaning us staff wiv sticks) all automatically agree with every aspect of the site rules. This may not be the best place for such a discussion as it's not specific to GBL/GHB but feel free to argue away :)
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I wasn't arguing mate, just trying to understand why, after reading your second reply I can understand why the ban is in place. It is still, in my mind, a grey area though and the discussion for both ways could never end so I will accept your answers and leave it. :)

Evad: - You use the ket example as both forms being illegal as though that is better? If this rule is in place then it should cover all chemicals, legal to illegal, illegal to legal or illegal to illegal.
 
The point is that to convert GBL to GHB is committing a crime. To cook up some ketamine is not (possessing the ketamine is the crime, and one which BL also bans the discussion of how to commit)
 
That wasn't intended as a sarcy reply, Wahslab - I really meant "argue away". It's the only way of knowing if there are ways to improve BL so it's a good discussion to have. I only meant that buried in a GBL megathread is perhaps not the ideal place for such discussions :)

As for the ket example, if you just left liquid K open to the air the water would still evaporate so the user isn't doing anything "more" illegal than possessing ket. There is definitely a difference between a natural occurrence (like water evaporating to leave a powder) and actively changing a substance from a legal form to an illegal one, in my opinion.
 
if someone did a tiny bit of H an hour after gbl would it be safe? Is that enough time for the GBL to wear off to do opiates?

cheers
 
It wasn't taken as a sarcy reply mate. I just didn't want you guys thinking I was arguing and being awkward.

After talking to Evad on MSN I understand it more now and agree that the rule should stand. Although it could reduce harm it also directly tells someone how to break the law.

Cheers guys for explaining and apologies if I came across as being awkward, I was genuinly only trying to learn and improve what I saw as a grey area, :)

I'll make Mod one day!!!!
 
^ This is why discussion is good :)

bignbrown said:
if someone did a tiny bit of H an hour after gbl would it be safe? Is that enough time for the GBL to wear off to do opiates?

cheers
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I'd leave it longer than an hour myself. Even codeine fucks me up in a big (and not entirely pleasant) way with GBL. I'd avoid combining G and opi's entirely if possible but if not give it 3-4 hours - or more - ideally.
 
bignbrown said:
if someone did a tiny bit of H an hour after gbl would it be safe? Is that enough time for the GBL to wear off to do opiates?

cheers
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no not at all, give it 2 hours at the very least this is a very dangerous combo you don't want to take any risks with
 
I'm also not a fan of the mild opi's and G, not had much experience with the strong ones.
K and G is also not recommended. It's the reason that I passed out half on the bed with my toes curled around a hot water pipe. Took 3 months to heal. I was probably lucky.
 
I barely made it home without collapsing in the street combining G and K once. I quite like the combo (in moderation) but it's not a great one to attempt to function on. G + opi's would be far more immediately life-threatening though, in my opinion.
 
Shambles said:
I'll second that, Evad. G and opiates is a potentially lethal combo (yes I know many things are but G + opi's really is). It "feels" far more dangerous than combining other downers and also just isn't any fun.
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even if hes sobered up from the G? Im pretty sure it leaves your system pretty quick.
 
Yeah, it may well feel like you're sober after an hour or so with G but you're really not. I'd go with a two hour gap as an absolute minimum but would recommend 3-4 hours really. The longer the better cos you really don't want to combine G and opi's unless you have a deathwish.
 
Shambles said:
It does if you're the carpet, which given enough ket becomes a very real possibilty.
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Sort of related: Has anyone who drinks GBL tried using it as a cleaning agent? I have a superglue stain on my jeans from building a child's jet and neither IPA nor limonene or naptha will shift it. Assuming I am not wearing them at the time, does anyone reckon GBL will dissolve the glue without melting my pants?

I UTFSEd but every reference on BL to GBL as a debonder was a bit theoretical. One thing GBL does do well is remove hard water stains from toilet bowls, not as well as HCl does, but HCl freaks me out with invisible smells. It can also remove ink from paper, even permanent marker.
 
it cleans the colour off of wallpaper hah, deals with spray paint no problem. It's sold/used as glue debonder and shouldn't effect the fabric of your jeans but could maybe effect the dye? I'm not 100%.
 
Carsick said:
The point is that to convert GBL to GHB is committing a crime. To cook up some ketamine is not (possessing the ketamine is the crime, and one which BL also bans the discussion of how to commit)
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Yes... I get that. All I said was that GBL has (past tense) been converted to GHB and that I had the GHB powder. I wasn't asking any synth advice but dosage advice on how much water to add to GHB to drink it orally safely for portable use. I didn't want drink 5x too much, I thought this was a harm reduction forum? :\
There's plenty of discussion about adding water to 2c-i/other things so why not this?
 
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