GBL Megathread - 2nd dose

[cherrycolouredfunk]

It's less harsh, not as dangerous (if used responsibly of course) and I prefer the effects.

 

[sundayraver]

GBL rocks. Saturday night I was in town not drinking, just taking G, spent a couple of quid on cokes and drank half a bottle of WKD that I found near the table!
Saved myself a few bob :D

 

[gezgin]

GBL rocks. Saturday night I was in town not drinking, just taking G, spent a couple of quid on cokes and drank half a bottle of WKD that I found near the table!
Saved myself a few bob :D

Ah mate that's disgusting xD

What's the high like on GHB compared to GBL? Does one still experience euphoria, chattiness ... and horniness? :D

WarmRushes: When you started again after the break, was there a come-down feeling, after it had worn off, at all? I used to get horrible come-downs if I had 2ml+ and after a while, even 2ml didn't touch me - Harsh tolerance, however it did take a month or so of multiple daily use to get to that point.

 

[WarmRushes]

Not as such, I was getting something similar too when I decided to have a break. I had a bit of a session on Sunday and felt pretty wank again on Monday (general shitty low mood) but have felt fine since, I reckon the best advice is just not to use too much or too often.

I'm very tempted to convert mine in to GHB at some point too. Obviously without going too in to specifics - Pontifex01,

What base did you use to make it? I dunno if I trust myself with sodium hydroxide, the baking soda method seems even more straight forward..

 

[brokenbrain]

Whats all this losing the magic business?
I admit that after some time of use,of who the fuck knows what duration,the wear off/withdrawals comes on a lot worse than before,hence why I end up going 24/7 everytime I get back on the horse.I don't think it has a comedown as such,its more to do with its mode of action,eg a combination stimulant/depressant for an hour,then gradually the depressant action starts taking over,till at +2 hours it becomes all depressant and I had quite a few bad times in 2007 when I would dose 1.5ml of a morning,go to work,and between +2 hours and +4 hours feel shit until the dopamine rebound kicked in and then feel stimulated all afternoon...that was when I would only dose once a day.
But its why I end up redosing somewhere between +1 hour and +2 hours...unless I've taken 2.5 - 3ml after 11pm to sleep in which case it might be between +4 hours and +8 hours before I redose again.
But I have never lost the magic.If I take 4 or more days off and get back on the horse its all good again:D,apart from going straight back into 24/7 dosing,but its far better for me on multiple levels,not least financially and guilt wise/self-hatred wise than me going back on ethanol related products.

 

[Shambles]

I tend to agree, BB. I've yet to "lose the magic" and don't really believe it as a concept cos "the magic" stays with me for all drugs. Just lucky maybe

I haven't had any real withdrawals from GBL either. Not physical ones beyond a bit of insomnia and moderate achiness anyway. I do feel tired, morose and generally low if I go without though. Feel tired if I stop dosing once I've started too.

 

[brokenbrain]

I haven't had any real withdrawals from GBL either. Not physical ones beyond a bit of insomnia and moderate achiness anyway. I do feel tired, morose and generally low if I go without though. Feel tired if I stop dosing once I've started too.

Considering your past histories of addictions I'm surprised you've never gone that way with GBL.Obviously its not much of a high compared to Heroin/Crack,but its so easy to get deep into it for some of us anyway.
I only control my (ab)use of it by never buying more than 125ml at once.I get in too deep with 250ml,and the twice I've had 500ml around it has become a real problem.I know that the only way I can stop it for 24 hours or longer is to have no more left.If I had a litre I'd have to do a reducing dose to come off or I'd end up eating all my benzo's till they ran out and no doubt drinking at least 30 units of alcohol every day for a fortnight

 

[Shambles]

I used to buy more than a litre at a time when eBay sold it, but mostly buy 500ml bottles now, BB. I use it most days and pretty much 24/7 for most of those days. Have the odd day off here and there and other times when I only use in the evening. Did feel much clearer of head when only dosing in the evenings - should probably stick to that or less. Is so tempting when it's just there though

I use it far too much, but any withdrawals I've had are either much less harsh than some of you folks have to deal with or I've been slightly underwhelmed compared to other withdrawals. I suspect the former so far cos the withdrawal-type effects I've had sound similar to what others report but don't seem that overwhelming to me so far. I also fully expect to come a cropper at some point - no complacancy here, just waiting for things to get worse before I start bitching too much

 

[brokenbrain]

I use it most days and pretty much 24/7 for most of those days
any withdrawals I've had are either much less harsh than some of you folks have to deal with or I've been slightly underwhelmed compared to other withdrawals.

Doesn't it totally fuck with the effects of other drugs for you though?I find that it wrecks all other highs by going over the top of them or the after effects fucking with anything that I take anytime within a day.The only use I ever found for the dopamine rebound was that at +4 hours after a single 11am dose if I were to start drinking beer slowly and not touch any other alcohol the buzz from the beer was hugely improved.I have a suspicion that its all because my brain hasn't ever been used to dopamine,hence my depression and general lack of attention span when I'm in clean and sober mode (and pretty much the way I felt most of the time my last 3 years in school).When it gets a smaller increase in dopamine it likes the feeling,but with a large increase (hello 24/7 dosing for 48 hours or longer)my brain and body don't understand and rebel,hence feeling fucking wank.Theres also the fact that I hate not being able to sleep or eat and the idea of not eating and sleeping for at least 36 hours following a final dose is too much for me to deal with,hence resorting to medication to improve the situation.

 

[Shambles]

I don't get the not eating thing myself, BB. A night of disturbed/little sleep and feeling a bit down the next day is about it really. I actually prefer drinking on G cos I don't really enjoy being drunk and G seems to keep me just the right side of idiocy. Mostly

Can fuck about with the effect of other drugs - psyches specifically - by making it more clouded, but if I've been dosing G anyway then have to keep dosing to avoid feeling crappy on the psyches. I don't tend to take huge doses in that situation - just enough to stop me getting too dozy. On stims I really like G so is less of an issue :D

 

[Tryptamite]

^You don't like psyches and G? I was thinking of trying it with lsd this weekend. I was thinking the GBL would make everything warm and happy like and give me the confidence to go to the park with the day-walkers around.

 

[Shambles]

I'd rather have psyches on G then G with no psyches but I'd rather have psyches without needing the G, Tryp. It's okay as a combo - does indeed make it all warm and fuzzy as long as you keep dosed up - but it takes away a lot from the special psyche magic and gives you more with a general fucked up feeling.

I'd say try the 'cid without the G - especially first time - cos it's plenty warm and fuzzy enough as it is. Walking about and interacting with other non-tripping strangerfolks on acid is great - even first time - just so long as you don't attempt it on a silly dose. Have fun and say hello to the pixies from me

 

[Tryptamite]

Lol - I've done acid before, but I've always felt really uncomfortable and taken xanax to make me feel ok. Which definitely takes away from the trip (visually and insightfully [yes I know thats not a word!])
Will say hello to pixies for you!

 

[Shambles]

Trying to relax into it without needing downers is ideal, Tryp. Not always easy though, I know...

I'd say a very low dose of diazepam would be better than Xanax or GBL myself. I sometimes take 5-10mg or so if I feel a bit too ragged - usually on the comeup or comedown if at all. It's not really enough to make much of a difference in most situations, but seems to work for me if I feel the need to turn the intensity down a bit without killing the trip dead

G can do similar things but messes with the effect of the psyche (all of them in my experience) more than low dose benzos do. I'd suggest maybe a small amount of G if you choose that option and top-up as necessary. Just enough to give a bit of perkiness - too much can send you spinning a bit or just be plain confusing, I find. Or send you to sleep, of course :D

 

[Treacle]

I love acid and G. It's nice and messy. :D

 

[Tryptamite]

Trying to relax into it without needing downers is ideal, Tryp. Not always easy though, I know...f the psyche (all of them in my experience) more than low dose benzos do. I'd

I end up feeling weird, not having a bad trip or anything but just really uncomfortable and talk myself into taking a downer. Some voice in my head says "why sit here feeling uncomfortable when you could eat a xanax and enjoy the trip". I suppose thats just come-up jitters and if I sat it out I'd feel alright. Might try persevere next time. Well, after my G and acid experiment

 

[Treacle]

Watch your G doses. I've passed out a few times at the peak. You do wake up still tripping, and feeling great, though.

 

[phillop]

I thought that I was getting GBL withdrawal after a 72 hour huge binge on the stuff (wherein about 60-100ml was consumed). After stopping and not using for about six hours I started having a pounding heart (140BMP) for about an hour, kept feeling faint, and just generally really anxious and fucking awful. Another sip seemed to relieve all the symptoms within a matter of minutes, so I just downed 3ml and crashed out. Was okay the next day, but felt REALLY hungover, and kept using it daily for a week or so afterwards as this helped the hangover.

Reading this thread though maybe this was more mental than definate withdrawal symptoms, judging from the length of time other members claim to have used.

Or maybe excessive binge use like this can produce withdrawal type effects? Maybe it would be more suitable to call it hangover symptoms than withdrawals. Though since GHB is naturally in our body anyway, one can imagine it could have unforeseen consequences. Though Xyrem seems proving very efficacious and with no side effects, and since its a pharmaceutical its been studied extensively. Though GBL could be slightly different in its (side) effects profile.

Better stop now before this turns into another meadering pointless waffle.

 

[gezgin]

Jesus Christ mate, 60-100ml? Why would anyone want to do that? Sure, the effects are nice, but that must have been more than topping up every hour for those whole 72 hours. Doing that with any drug isn't wise - were you not aware?

 

[Treacle]

Reading this thread though maybe this was more mental than definate withdrawal symptoms, judging from the length of time other members claim to have used

That was mild withdrawal. That was a warning. You can get mild withdrawals from just using all day, for one day.

Also, 60-100ml in 72 hours isn't uncommon for 24/7 use.