GBL longterm use Question

[ShakeyShaker]

Hello alltogether,

I am an abstinent Meth addict and have recently discovered GBL. This little Molecule gives me back the euphoria and access to my feelings, I miss when not on Meth. It's totally everyday compatible which means, you're not tweaking your ass off on it and you sleep relatively normal. No Paranoia, no Serotonine, Noradrenaline and Dopamine depletion and no Neuroreceptor Toxicity (Maybe there is some through Gaba overstimulation ?).

I have read some horrible stories about people stopping excessive longterm use with Benzos or even Morphines. I don't like the Idea of having to take these in my opinion horribly addicting Drugs again.

So my Question is wheter it is possible to integrate moderate GBL use in your life or not.

I'm considering to use it 2-3 times a day in doses around 1.5 mL (on emty stomach) to 2 mL. I would not want to use it for inducing sleep and would not use it in the Morning (after waking up). I would wait 2-3 hours betwenn doses and even take at least 2 days off a week.

Do you think this is safe ?

Thanks in Advance

 

[effie]

Hey ShakeyShaker, welcome to Bluelight!

In terms of effects on the body, that would be fine.

In terms of potential for dependence - not fine at all. Not many people realise how addictive GBL is but I don't know a single person who has used it and not had some sort of problem (including myself). No one intends to slip into 24 hour dosing, but so many people do.. I didn't quite get that far, but I still found myself taking far more than I intended, and a very good friend of mine has been at a stage of 24 hour dosing many times.

Once you have a physical dependende you experience severe benzo-style WDs when you try to stop - and as with benzo WDs there is a risk for seizures and even death. Despite the WDs being so horrible, my friend found it really hard to stop slipping back into dependence. Regular GBL use is NOT something you want to get into in my opinion.

Take a look at the EADD GBL addiction/withdrawals thread..

If you do still want to use it regularly, you've got the right idea about not using it for sleep or when you wake, and limiting your doses - please do stick to that! I had to pour away 700ml GBL (yep) because of the hold it had over myself and my boyfriend.

 

[ShakeyShaker]

Thank You, Effie for the sincere Answer !

OK I will try not to let it get Overhand on me so I won't get physical dependence. 24/7 dosing doesn´t sound attractive to me either. The stuff tastes not that bad, but bad enough that I don't like tu use it around the clock.

 

[Allein]

I give thanks that both GBL and GHB just make me puke at any sort of active level, even still I gave both a good go, I would definitely have gotten into trouble with GBL as re-dosing is so easy.

Pretty much anyone I know who has used GBL has developed some kind of problem, in one case it required in patient treatment to detox.

 

[Supeudol]

I think Pure Pharmaceutical Grade GHB Powder is much safer than GBL personally. As I have experience with both, and the pure powder of GHB is much easier to dose, easier on your system, and causes no toxic metabolites, well neither does GBL but still easier to gauge your dosage. The withdrawals from GHB are not near as bad as Benzodiazepine withdrawals. As GHB withdrawal resolves much quicker than Benzodiazepine withdrawal, I have been down both streets, both with heavy usage.

Good luck bro!

 

[ShakeyShaker]

I Don't have access to pure Pharm grade ghb Powder :/ Well, converting GBL to GHB seems easy, considering one just needs an equal of (OH)- and initial heat for the reaction to start. Some stirring with a magnetic stirrer/hotplate combo would be nice for that. Then one could freeze and dry the stuff to have water free GHB Powder (Something like that :/ )

I have an Eppendorf Pipette, i can adjust from 100-1000 µL. Think my doses are pretty exact. But what you say about Bodyload makes me wonder. You're right, with GHB one gets rid of the Enzymatic step of converting GBL to GHB in the Liver. Which is a big improvement and I just notice some load on the Organs after 3-4 days moderate use.

 

[effie]

GBL is converted to GHB in the bloodstream, it doesn't need the liver to make that step.

GBL kicks in harder and faster than GHB, despite it being a prodrug, as it is absorbed more quickly (then converted instandly to GHB). It also wears off more quickly too - sharp up and sharp down, where as GHB is a bit more gentle. Generally speaking (have a read of the thread I linked) people feel that it is easier to keep GHB use under control and to taper off than with GBL.

GBL WDs may be nowhere near as bad as benzo WDs, I haven't experienced both myself, but they can be pretty horrific. Be careful! As I said, everyone I personally know who has used it (including a lot of people in EADD) have ended up with problematic use eventually.

It used to be a favourite of mine, it is a nice drug for what it is, but unfortunately daily use crept in, it was fucking with my sleep and I had to stop, along with everyone else I know who has used it. This definitely makes me biased, but I feel a lot of people underestimate it's addiction potential and how nasty the withdrawals can be.

 

[Help?!?!]

GBL is just a trick like other GABA agoinsts IMO. Eventually the days of nice sleep and euphoria will turn into constant thoughts of returning the strength of the euphoria and waking up every couple of hours to redose. GHB is an amazing drug as well and I agree its far easier to control, though it still needs to be watched.

 

[ShakeyShaker]

Hey Guys,
just wanted to tell my Experience with this Substance..
I tried to controll my intake. At first there was the need for higher doses. Then they got from 2 to around 2,5 to 3 mL. Event though sometimes the dose was higher. Euphoria sided away but the feeling of all people beeing beautiful and life is great is still there. It's nearly 2 Months now, an I have used around 600 mL. At this point now, I learned to know and Love Diazepam, Chlorazepam and Oxazepam. Tried even Zopiclon for more natural sleep (sleep through) with limites success. Getting to sleep is no Problem when ive done some G in the Evening. But waking and not beeing able to sleep again is a big fuck.. needles to say, there have been some 24/7 days. after those days of heavy use, when i try to stop using the next day completely, there is this feeling of my skin burning a bit and some shaking hands.. Now I try dosing down, with the help of longacting benzos I plan to use a few days. At first im gonna try just to use 10 mL max a day and somehow manage to sleep through. It's a mild addcition for now, but it has only been one and a half mont now, and I notice the developing bodily addiction. Gave most of the G away, which leafes me with a little stash

 

[effie]

I have not met anyone who has used G more than once or twice who hasn't developed a problem with it.. good luck with it and be careful coming off - as with all GABA-ergic drugs, the withdrawals can be pretty nasty and potentially dangerous, you'd definitely want to taper or use benzos.. the having G in the evenings then needing it to sleep was when it started to become a problem for me too. I tipped 700mls down the drain, hah..

Anyway. Thanks for the update, and good luck I'm going to close this as there's no question to be answered but do feel free to let us know how you are doing in the social thread and if you have any questions (or want this reopened) shoot me a pm