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GBL - Inexperienced - How to proceed?

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Background: Not your typical GBL user, I guess. I have only drank two alcoholic beverages in my life. The last time was 8 years ago. Also not using any other drugs (or medicines for that matter). I don't like alcohol, mainly due to it's toxicity and common effects (recklessness, aggression). But let's save that for another day. GHB/GBL has had major appeal to me for many years. Especially the mood enhancing effects, increased appreciation of music and of course, it being virtually non-toxic. After much research, I decided to finally test the waters and start with a low dose. Since I don't have any tolerance to alcohol and the compounds seem to share some tolerance, I felt I could be very sensitive to it's effects...

The closest thing to GHB I have tried is Phenibut. This didn't provide any noticeable effects to me. Only in high doses I'd tend to get confused and sleepy (the kind of feeling where you start bumping into walls etc.). No anxiety here (might be relevant for the rest of the report).


Attempt #1 (10PM): I measured out 0.8ml GBL using a syringe and put it in a glass. Then I proceeded to fill it with approximately 300ml of water and stirred it with a spoon. About 15 minutes passed before I could finally muster up enough courage to drink it. I drank it in one go and drank another ~300ml of water right after that. My last meal had been about 2.5hours ago.

Immediately I felt extremely anxious. I started thinking "oh fuck, what is going to happen to me?!". I put on some music. In an attempt to ease my anxiety, I started doing some grip exercises (squeezing). This took my mind off of the situation a bit, since I was focusing on exerting maximum force. Then about 10-15 minutes later I noticed I was starting to feel different. It was very unpleasant. I had real high anxiety at this point, putting my hands over my face just wanting to feel normal again. The effects were subtle and I can't even properly describe them now, but there was definitely something different. I guess I was actively trying to resist the effects, because I somehow got extremely anxious when I noticed (a drug induced?) change in the way I felt. Being afraid of falling asleep (I know, very unrealistic at such a low dose), I decided to move around a bit. The music playing started to annoy me. I decided to listen to something that I'm very familiar with (Metallica). I put it on and started singing along. I can't attribute this to GBL, since I like to sing along when I'm "sober" too. Again this took my mind off of the way I was feeling. At T+45 I had a sudden urge to go online and chat. I normally never go to a chatroom. So I logged in at some chatroom and was feeling pretty good (I even used the nickname "SUPER".. ;)). After 5 minutes I left because the urge had passed. Then I went to the bathroom for a good bathroom break and that was about it.

Conclusion: extreme anxiety and about 5 minutes of enjoyment (didn't feel like placebo).


Attempt #2 (11.30PM, a week after the first attempt): I measured out 1.1ml GBL using a syringe and put it in a glass. Again I proceeded to fill it with approximately 300ml of water and stirred it with a spoon. Having had the previous experience, I knew a little what to expect, so I drank it in one go with no problems. This time I decided to watch one of my favorite movies. My last meal had been about 3 hours ago. About 5 minutes after ingestion I decided to eat a sandwich because I was feeling hungry. About halfway the sandwich (T+10) I started to feel the effects. This was extremely unpleasant. Again extreme anxiety, dare I say panic? It was worse than the first time. I was sitting and started to move my arms around to distract myself, holding my head in my hands, thinking "OH FUCK WHAT'S HAPPENING. I DON'T WANT THIS!". I was starting to feel dizzy. But not like normal dizziness which is normally accompanied by nausea. It felt like inside my head things were spinning around, but the room appeared just normal. I felt really anxious. I ran outside and laid down on the cold pavement for a few minutes, which calmed me down a bit. T+20: I decided to go back inside and watch the rest of the movie which was still playing. I could feel the dizziness/anxiety getting higher again. But I decided to stay put and only run outside as a last resort. I was starting to feel sleepy now. I couldn't really focus on the movie. I started to talk along with the movie's dialog, to force myself to pay attention. At some moments I felt really "relaxed", but then quickly snapped back to feeling anxious and dizzy.

I decided to see if I had any impairment in my motor functioning by doing some bodyweight squats (a physical exercise). I could perform these fine. I decided to sit back down. At about T+50 I was feeling the most pronounced effects; started to feel very sleepy/sedated. I remember just dropping on to my knees, closing my eyes and supporting myself using my hands whilst laughing hysterically to myself (..?). Overall this experience was vastly different from the first try in that I experienced very pronounced dizziness and sleepiness/sedation. At about T+60 I was feeling pretty ok, since I knew the worst had passed and this was now semi-enjoyable.

Conclusion: PANIC, dizziness and sedation. Didn't get the effects I was looking for (mood enhancement, increased appreciation/change in perception of music etc.).


How should I proceed? Is GBL not for me? Am I alone in experiencing these effects? What especially worries me, is that I seem to get this from low doses, whereas others report very little effect from taking 1.1ml.

In my next attempt I will try 1.5ml, but this time I will slowly sip it over a 20 minute period. I hope this will reduce the dizziness and make for a more gradual onset of effects, thus making me less anxious.

Is it possible that I need to "get used to" GBL? I've read it takes a few tries for the body to metabolize it efficiently, but that doesn't seem like a problem in my case, seeing as how I'm getting pronounced effects from it, yet mostly undesirable.
Your input is appreciated.
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good report, sounds exactly like the beginnings of gbl for me. at first really couldnt see what the fuss was about.
id say it defo takes a few attempts before the real effects are felt. When they eventually hit you youll know why people love it, its an awsome high!

beware though, its like this drug was created to test your self control. If use can be kept under said control then its a brilliant life tool and superb party drug.

the problem when the rebound hit and i was waking up at 4am anxiuos as hell and wide awake, it was all too easy to have another whack. Anxiety gone in 10 mins replaced by total chilled out joy.

its probably been written a thousand times on this board but if rigid self control is not followed, this fucker will bit you in the ass.
i ended up pouring a botlle down the toilet because the rebound was getting terrible and i couldnt control redosing. also, by the time i had gotten to the stage where i could feel the good efects, i was already feeling that my body was getting a little dependent.
 
Are you sure you have GBL and not some other chemical?

I could see lower doses producing this kind of anxious state. I would think it would be rare for it to happen though.

Well. perhaps move along then? you're not missing out on much either way. Its kind of a shitty drug period when you get down to the negative effects. :\
 
Yes I'm positive it is GBL.

Basically what I'm really wondering is whether it just takes persistence for the positive effects to be achieved. Apparently the dizziness and panic reaction I'm having isn't common, but I sure hope it subsides eventually...
 
For me and others the first time is a good approximation of how your body is going to handle it (unless of course you mess up the dose and overdose on it).

Why not just ditch it? Its really not worth it and doesnt do anything good in the longrun.
 
BOYZ!!! You are all lightweights

1st time I did it I was too careful felt pretty dung.

2nd time I did it was the best feeling Ive had off any drung better than mdma!

Ive now done it 5 times in the space of a month and can tell you from my last two experiences the feeling is getting worse not better.

Friday night I did 3ml and rushing loving it still awake borderline going into unconciousness, then did another 2ml 2hours later and fell asleep for 2hours.

Saturday night must of did 7ml in total starting with a 2ml dose and didnt get the buzzy nice feeling just felt awake and hype. Then fell asleep towards the end of the night, which was very disappointing.

This is the one drug where I think your tolerance goes up insanely quick.

So how on earth any sucker can get addicted to it is beyond belief, I know for a fact if the effects carry on being stale I'll probably do this on a monthly basis to keep the effect being special.
 
oh rite I see what you mean.

So basically the more you use it the more fcuked up you get?

How often do you have to use it to start feeling weird/ craving it?

Is twice a week ok?

So you wouldnt recommend taking it on holiday for a week every night then (not in the day)?

cheers
 
bighooter said:
How often do you have to use it to start feeling weird/ craving it?
Is twice a week ok?
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I did it for a period of a month or so, almost bi-daily in a combo with weed.
I got a bottle and was all excited how it effected me. I did only weed before and I liked the combination of those two.
well i did (bodyweight 100-105 kg) approx 2-2.4g of GHB per dose, 1 dose per day and when i run out of it, i had problems with my sleep cycle. I got used to it as to an evening event, joint with a glass of GHB solution. I liked it a lot.
But then i was not able to fall asleep without my evening glass at a reasonable time of night and did not want to wake up in the morning. there was a feeling of anxiety and a general discomfort with mood changes but i did not knew then that those were the subtle addiction symptoms. i did more weed to relax and got some buspiron tbl for a month to get rid of the anxiety. i made a deal at work to shift my presence in the office to the afternoon 2x a week to get some sleep at those days and fixed it somehow.
i still like GHB but do it occasionally. and i went from a few joints a day to a joint once a week since then.

bighooter said:
So you wouldnt recommend taking it on holiday for a week every night then (not in the day)?
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Not every night.
If you'd like to exploit the relaxation potential, try an intense weekend cure. Starting friday afternoon with a dose, continue next day with a dose in the morning and redose after some 4-5 hrs. This should be a nice long lasting experience with the substance.

i consider myself experienced with GHB and i know how to dose it for my bodyweight ...
 
People downplay GHB/GBL addiction way too much. As soon as you start finding yourself dosing again every couple of hours, flush it all down the toilet. I know whoever reading this won't listen to me, but don't come back crying about how you feel like 10000v current is passing through your body, how your heart is about to explode, and how you lost your sex-drive for more than a year after finally stopping. That is, if you lived to come back crying.

As for the OP: GHB is NOT an "acquired taste" kind of drug like Heroin. If you didn't like it the first couple of times, you simply aren't one to like GHB, and certainly not the only one. I'd say half of the people who try GHB don't like it. The other half love it. Half of those find its effects more like alcohol, and don't use it much. The other half of those feel like they've found the Elixir of Life (and I'm one of this quarter) and they get stuck in a horrendous addiction.

Incidentally, most G addicts I have known were queer in one way or another.
 
bighooter said:
Is twice a week ok?
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Hey, notice how your use has already creeped up to twice a week. You said originally you would only use once a week. Easy how rules change when you start to become addicted to the substance, isn't it?

Take care of yourself. GHB addiction is nothing to mess around with.

Jamshyd said:
People downplay GHB/GBL addiction way too much. As soon as you start finding yourself dosing again every couple of hours, flush it all down the toilet.
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I flushed the rest of my G down the toilet in a state of misery one evening, 3am, shaking and hallucinating.

Good riddance to that stuff. No good would come of it.
 
staycalm, I wouldn't take ANY drug if I was afraid as hell of doing it. And obviously you were. Totally wrong mind set. Leary was right about "drug, set and setting". Because of your mind set, your body probably released all kinds of hormones and substances before you took GBL and that messed everything up.

I take GBL, too. But I was really looking forward to it, even though I don't like alcohol much, just like you. my experience was/is great. Just was at a party last night, I was the only one not drinking alcohol, but had taken a dose of GBL before, which I found out works best for me. That's another thing with GBL, start low, find out your own dose. No one on the web can tell you how much that will be.
 
I said I'd update and here I am :) It took me a little longer than promised, but last night I tried GBL again. Here are my findings:

1.5ml dissolved in 300ml of water, sipped over the course of an hour. I put it in a glass bottle with a small neck. At first I was disappointed by the small sips I had to take due to the small bottle opening, but eventually I started to appreciate it :)

The come up was really gradual and the experience didn't send me rushing with anxiety like before. Instead I got headspins and a bit of confusion... albeit somewhat pleasant. I also had some difficulty with focusing my eyes every now and then. It reminded me of what a mild overdose of Phenibut feels like (especially the confusion). However, there was NO noticeable euphoria, appreciation of music or any other positive effects of GBL... Mind you, I was feeling good, but I was already feeling good prior to taking the GBL.

I think I'll do 1.5ml again tomorrow but drink it in 30mins instead of the hour I did today. Rests me to say that the short duration was a bit of a let down (approx. 1-1,5hr).
 
look forward to your update :-)

I am planning on purchasing abit of this soon, altho having read how addictive it is im not 100%. I would say i have an incredibly adictive personality... luckily ill have a close friend living with me to catch me if i trip up hopefully =D
 
It's very addictive because it's cheap and easy to use. I would advise the OP to titrate up by a ml every 15 minutes until you feel the effects. You might get a mild "overdose", but it's just going to make you fall asleep. Once you have found your dosage, then it's smooth sailing :)

You can use GBL twice a week, seeing as it has a very short half-life (about 2 hours I think).

I usually took about 1.4-1.6ml to get the desired effects. If I took more than 1.6ml I would fall asleep.
 
sounds like you just had anxiety attacks every time. I think the euphoria is very set-depending, like alcohol. my dad used to love the stuff to help make him calm, mellow, and enjoy social situations until it was banned in the USA.

I expect the dizziness and sedation will become comfortable or tolerable with continued use. But your anxiety is well-purchased, I think. GBL is serious stuff.
 
I'd advise to make GHB from your GBL, the lactone is just so dirty. It gives such an unhealthy feeling, and it's easy to convert to GHB which is much nicer. All you need is some NaOH.
 
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