GBL + Bromocriptine Combination?

[Renz Envy]

In my opinion, GBL has no place in bodybuilding full stop. It's a recreational drug, and a poor one at that.

I'd also add that I ended up in hospital quite a few times from GBL overdoses. At the beginning it's easy to avoid but once you get addicted and are constantly dosing 24/7 it's easy to do once you become complacent. I remember one time I ended up spending a week in intensive care and almost died. It really is a miracle I'm still alive really, but that's besides the point.

How do you almost die from GHB/GBL by themselves unless you're trying to commit suicide? I've had instances where I couldn't maintain consciousness for longer than about a minute for 6 hours. I basically would pass out for an hour, wake up, move and fall on my face. but the drug by itself is safe, it just has a steep doseage curve that can give the illusion of a serious ovderose, when in reality you're just having a nice involuntary nap. As far as I know one would need to consume around 10-20g of GHB (having no tolerance) to need medical help, and that's about 10 times the dose you need. Other risk factors might be... Well, choking on your own vomit and seizures, which is worth calling emergency services.

But G is something you sip on and wait an hour before considering a redose.

Believe it or not many doctors really don't know a whole lot about GHB; especially in the US. It has been studied that GHB actually aids in preserving oxygen around internal organs, so even if your breathing is 'dangerously shallow' your body is in less danger than other overdoses, though a person operating on you may think they saved your life.

Now as for body building, GHB is good with AAS post work out. GHB can help get oxygen to muscles post work out and aid in protein synthesis. For someone off any AAS, I can't promise GHB will build a lot of muscle, though I noticed gains, but it is a great non-stimulant fat burner and will help conserve muscle mass.

Now I agree with you as far as addictiveness goes. It's really easy to keep sipping it when its available, but the withdrawals are probably the worst I've ever had. It's like a combination of opiate, alcohol and benzo withdrawals.

 

[Titus]

I will keep on updating this thread as much as possible, I have cut my GBL dosage down as I was beginning to use more than necessary for the cycle, I can confirm that I have seen gains already and I have also managed to start lifting heavier weights. In terms of sleep I always found that if GBL was used at an amount which would aid you to sleep but not actually knock you out, you would not get the extreme dopamine rebound. This in turn would enable you to sleep throughout the whole night (AND get some of that deep anabolic state sleep) instead of waking up around the 3hour mark after dosing. Thanks for your interest.

Great to know! Thanks and good luck. Interesting on the 'g rage' comment you made in an earlier post, where you get increased ability to move weights. I've never used ghb/gbl for bb'ing purposes but do know from personal experience that in low doses it did give me heightened euphoria and motivation, although I was using it pre-sex as an enhancer for that. Wasn't paying attn to stamina and can't recall if there was increased stamina but there was for sure enhanced desire/motivation to get on with it! Again, good luck with the cycle and continue to look forward to updates.

 

[CoReCoNTAX]

How do you almost die from GHB/GBL by themselves unless you're trying to commit suicide? I've had instances where I couldn't maintain consciousness for longer than about a minute for 6 hours. I basically would pass out for an hour, wake up, move and fall on my face. but the drug by itself is safe, it just has a steep doseage curve that can give the illusion of a serious ovderose, when in reality you're just having a nice involuntary nap. As far as I know one would need to consume around 10-20g of GHB (having no tolerance) to need medical help, and that's about 10 times the dose you need. Other risk factors might be... Well, choking on your own vomit and seizures, which is worth calling emergency services.

But G is something you sip on and wait an hour before considering a redose.

Believe it or not many doctors really don't know a whole lot about GHB; especially in the US. It has been studied that GHB actually aids in preserving oxygen around internal organs, so even if your breathing is 'dangerously shallow' your body is in less danger than other overdoses, though a person operating on you may think they saved your life.

Now as for body building, GHB is good with AAS post work out. GHB can help get oxygen to muscles post work out and aid in protein synthesis. For someone off any AAS, I can't promise GHB will build a lot of muscle, though I noticed gains, but it is a great non-stimulant fat burner and will help conserve muscle mass.

Now I agree with you as far as addictiveness goes. It's really easy to keep sipping it when its available, but the withdrawals are probably the worst I've ever had. It's like a combination of opiate, alcohol and benzo withdrawals.

You hit that right on the head there! (only difference is I don't sip GHB I just have a shot of GBL!)

I have also had my fair share of GBL/GHB addiction and been through many bottles of the stuff (German and Chinese) I was admitted to psychiatric help because of the withdrawals and it was definitely the second worst
withdrawals I have had after opiate withdrawals.

- And to Artificial Emotion:

Like I said before, every time I have used this for workouts and recovery I have seen a huge boost, maybe it doesn't work for some people but it sure does work for me.
I have proved this to myself with the increased weights I have pushed and increased muscle mass which I have gained.
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However for maximum results I think GBL/GHB must be used in the context of a cycle so that the body doesn't build a huge tolerance towards it (just like for example, creatine etc)

 

[Titus]

I've noticed (not meaning to call anyone out) that Renz Envy and Artificial Emotion have provided what seems to me to be almost conflicting info on GHB/GBL and it's potential dangerousness. This concerns and also interests me b/c both have lots of posts and both have been around on BL for a while.

This thread might not be the right place to consider trying to hammer this out, so to speak, but I'd like to have a better understanding of the substance. I've used it recreationally and believe it can help in BB'ing at least in that it induces/enhances good deep sleep which is when muscles repair and grow.

Seems like the OP has some detailed knowledge about this as is shown in his reply to my question above, which I then quoted.

Don't want OP's thread to get muddled up in debate/discussion about ghb/gbl potential dangers but any thoughts guys on trying to sift through to asertain accurate info when it comes to this substance and potential dangers? I know I would benefit, and can do my own research if no interest between you two trying to hash out wherein lies the accurate info re: it's potential danger, but would love ot see a new thread on this substance where you 2 guys (or at least 1 of you) start an OP about GHB/GBL with a focus on it's potential dangers/risks (and if the thread mophs so be it).

Hope neither of you feel slighted or attacked by this post of mine. In NO WAY is that my intention. But when 2 sr bl'ers have kind of opposite info to share on risks of a drug it's enough for me to take notice. Not pointing fingers, can't stress that enough. I"m not that kind of guy. I'm not a shit starter so hope no one sees this post of mine that way. I'm just a guy in search of the truth and have been wrong about understanding of risks/non risks of plenty of drugs or other stuff before.

Just a suggestion. If either of you decide to start a thread I'd appreicate a link posted here or a head up via pm or something. And this is something that could benefit other BL'ers both current and potential new members yet to arrive. Just thinking that a thread to sort this out would benefit the community as a whole. And if someone is feeling called out I'm more than happy to make threads or a blog post saying a bunch of stuff about myself where I did wrong stuff or had wrong info or whatever... It's very important to me to be seen as a positive member on BL, it's the only forum of this nature that I read or participate in b/c of the level of maturity of the mods which leads to a high quality site IMO. I'm in my mid-40's and bail from other sites that are similar b/c of bickering, mods on power trips, cliques where it's more important it seems for ppl to be part of the 'in crowd' so accurate info suffers and takes a back seat to personality stuff between members, etc...

Just a thought. If I'm out of line, apologies in advance. And to the OP, apologies for this off topic post. I want to see you do well with your cycle and life in general just like I want for myself and everyone else here.
Peace,
Titus

 

[CoReCoNTAX]

Great to know! Thanks and good luck. Interesting on the 'g rage' comment you made in an earlier post, where you get increased ability to move weights. I've never used ghb/gbl for bb'ing purposes but do know from personal experience that in low doses it did give me heightened euphoria and motivation, although I was using it pre-sex as an enhancer for that. Wasn't paying attn to stamina and can't recall if there was increased stamina but there was for sure enhanced desire/motivation to get on with it! Again, good luck with the cycle and continue to look forward to updates.

Haha it sure is great for sex! and yeah I think the enhanced motivation X G RAGE!) plays a massive part in the absolute shredding of those muscles every session!

All the best

 

[CoReCoNTAX]

Yes. These days I'm not into bodybuilding (in fact I'm overweight but am looking to get back into it soon), but when I was younger I was experimenting with everything. AAS, GBL, insulin, HGH and even IGF-1. Not only was the GBL/bromocriptine dangerous but I didn't make any gains in lean body mass or loss in fat at all, so I wouldn't recommend it. In my opinion, GBL has no place in bodybuilding full stop. It's a recreational drug, and a poor one at that.

I'd also add that I ended up in hospital quite a few times from GBL overdoses. At the beginning it's easy to avoid but once you get addicted and are constantly dosing 24/7 it's easy to do once you become complacent. I remember one time I ended up spending a week in intensive care and almost died. It really is a miracle I'm still alive really, but that's besides the point.

To be honest I think Artificial Emotion needs to provide more information on why he think the GBL+Bromocriptine combination is dangerous as it seems to lack substance and as this is one of the main reasons I started this thread.

Also going back to what Artificial Emotion has said about GBL overdoses, the only way this can happen is if you have put yourself in such a position through absolute lack of self control, I myself would be a hypocrite to say
that my self control is on top form, but I have never ended up in hospital because of too much GBL. I also think that you are confusing people on this thread by involving your purely recreational use of GBL and if it wasn't
recreational how did you end up dosing 24/7?!

 

[belfort]

ive used alot of Ghb/Bdo in my day and i cant imagine lifting after taking these drugs..i do remember the G rage though and se how it could be useful but i would think my mind would be on other things besides lifting if i were under the influence of ghb..

i have passed out and ended up in the ER but i didnt overdose..i took alot of Ghb that night so i cant imagine how much gbl u would have to take in order to almost die..

Ghb may help you feel leaner but it made my appetite go thru the roof..Ghb munchies were much worse than pot munchies

 

[jhjhsdi]

Ghb may help you feel leaner but it made my appetite go thru the roof..Ghb munchies were much worse than pot munchies

This is a good thing...as long as you don't stuff your face with crap! Have a couple cooked chickens at hand or some pre-boiled eggs in the fridge to munch on...just be prepared.

If I was going to be doing G, in the morning when I make my 4 boiled eggs,I'd just put 8 in instead and put the other 4 in the fridge. Or when making dinner put 2 chickens in the oven instead of one... etc.

The whole added hunger thing is going to be a BIG benefit imo. Just make sure you don't have a load of crisps, cakes and pizzas lying around haha

 

[-Guido-]

Honestly, GBL and GHB have no place in bodybuilding. It's a recreational drug that makes you feel good so you are going to want to redose and then you are going to get sloppy. Aside form that, long term use is going to create dependence.

If you want to increase growth hormone levels, invest in GHRP-6, Imaporelin, similar peptides, or an HGH kit. You could get better results with a 20 week cycle of Imaporelin that will run you less than $250.

 

[-Guido-]

If you are having trouble sleeping during a steroid cycle by all means go to a doctor and get a prescription for some kind of short acting benzo but only take it as directed or as needed.

I won't lie, there are nights once or twice a month where I take 1mg of Etizolam to get me to sleep when I am amped up from Trenbolone, Helios (Clenbuterol and Yohimbe injectable solution), and T3.

 

[CoReCoNTAX]

Just to let you all know, I made some good gains from this cycle. I am now able to push more when I go to the gym, however I am taking a break from the bromocriptine and GBL for a little while as I dont want to become to used to it. I will be making this cycle again in the near future.

Guido, I will look into those peptides.