Gay hook-up sites such as Grindr and BBRT blamed for worsening ice epidemic

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Gay hook-up sites such as Grindr and BBRT blamed for worsening ice epidemic

EXCLUSIVE

Warning, graphic content may upset some readers.

GAY hook-up sites have become the online equivalent of a sprawling red-light district, with ice traded for sex on every interactive corner and doors opening to rooms where men are filmed injecting meth and having sex.

Contact sites such as Grindr and BBRTS operate without regulation as federal authorities admit they need more focus on the online drug activity.

Jay Morris, 24, a recovering addict who from 2012 became a gay escort trading sex for the drug, is calling on authorities to shut gay hook-up sites until they enforce better moderation.

“These sites need to be monitored and shut down,” said Mr Morris, who has been in rehab in Wagga Wagga since October after two intense years on ice.

“The gay scene is out of control on ice. It’s a complete free-for-all. You can watch people shooting up live on camera.”

On Grindr, codes such as “T” (for Tina, or ice) or a symbol showing a puff of smoke, indicates the person is seeking an instant liaison and has ice to trade for sex, or to sell.

Chris Dawson, the Australian Crime Commission, Chris Dawson, agreed the internet was “a largely unregulated community”.

Cyber expert Dr Gregory Urbas from the University of Canberra said the sites, and the participants, were on the wrong side of the law.

“Pretty clearly people are breaking the law,” he said, pointing to Commonwealth telecommunications law that prohibited phones and the internet being used to distribute a prohibited drug.

To read Paul Toohey’s full story, click the picture below.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...ing-ice-epidemic/story-fneuzlbd-1227497113039
 
Was it a slow day at news.com.au?

Most people both LGBT, and hetero/non LGBT know all about the whole PNP/party hook up while on meth, but it is nothing new as people have been doing it for decades long before hook up apps and the internet were around.

Crystal meth can lower someone's inhibitions and they'll have unsafe sex but so can other drugs like alcohol and cannabis, or some people do it by choice and are not on illegal drugs at all.

People being forced into prostitution to pay or acquire drugs is not new either. Shutting down hook up apps and hook up sex sites isn't going to stop this or stop people from using drugs.

Can you please post the text from Paul Toohey's story? It says you have to subscribe to read it.
 
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i think its a sign of mental illness when you blame everything outside of yourself, and want to change things externally in order to feel safe.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Was it a slow day at news.com.au?

Most people both LGBT, and hetero/non LGBT know all about the whole PNP/party hook up while on meth, but it is nothing new as people have been doing it for decades long before hook up apps and the internet were around.

Crystal meth can lower someone's inhibitions and they'll have unsafe sex but so can other drugs like alcohol and cannabis, or some people do it by choice and are not on illegal drugs at all.

People being forced into prostitution to pay or acquire drugs is not new either. Shutting down hook up apps and hook up sex sites isn't going to stop this or stop people from using drugs.

Can you please post the text from Paul Toohey's story? It says you have to subscribe to read it.
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Sorry, I can't access it either. :(
 
This is one gay dudes account of what happened to him. He was on the facebook post of this news site saying it's just what he saw and knows, his story kind of thing.
 
So we should close the inTernet because one guy has no self control? Yes there is a lot of PNP, ParTy guys online - doesn't make me want to watch them shoot up or hook up with them to score meth. Not just on gay apps either - the likes of Tumblr is full of videos showing far worse than guys shooting meth.
 
Timeline of an ice addict: From the cradle to the needle

JAY MORRIS knows he’ll be repairing himself for the rest of his life. That’s just the mental recovery.

Last week, he came out of an operation to repair a heart-valve that doctors believe was damaged due to chronic ice use.


Jay, 24, who’s lived in NSW, Queensland and Victoria, is in rehab at the Calvary Riverina Drug and Alcohol Centre in Wagga Wagga after two years of extreme ice abuse that ended for him in late 2014.

Jay was a hustler, trading sex services for ice on gay hook-up sites such as Grindr and BBRTS, where people who have ice and want sex use symbols such as a puff of smoke or a “T” for Tina (ice).

Other code terms such as “wird”, “wired”, “long sessions” and “PnP” (party and play) to indicate they have ice for sex.


“The gay scene is out of control on ice,” says Jay, a proudly gay man who condemns the sites for failing to moderate the illegal behaviour that fuelled his addiction, including “gay slam” sites where men film themselves injecting ice and have sex.


“It’s a complete free-for-all. You can watch people shooting up meth live on camera. These sites need to be monitored and shut down,” says Jay.

Asked about these sites, the head of the Australian Crime Commission, Chris Dawson, agreed the internet was “a largely unregulated community”.


“It is a very challenging space to be in. It’s not the sort of regular policing I’ve been used to. We have specialists, but I would be the first to say there’s a lot more effort (to be put) into it. It’s a very difficult space to police.”

Jay’s addiction saw him wearing hats or headbands branded “Dealer” or “Addicted” as he became a walking ice billboard.


Growing up in Seven Hills, Sydney, then moving to Queensland, he slipped a long way from the YMCA youth rep, living in Gladstone, being a role-model teenager.

Jay came from a “normal family” and didn’t get into crime and drugs as a kid. But as he became aware he was gay, he says: “Drugs offered me an escape to be who I wanted to be.”


The first time he tried ice was with a needle after a bloke asked him back to his place, telling him it was good for sex. “To be honest, it was the most amazing experience I’ve ever had in my life.”

He never found that intensity again. “I’d have a shot and two hours later I’d need another one. I’d be up 24 hours on end. I was 22, shooting up and selling myself.

“I felt like a king. I felt wanted, in charge, powerful.”


Jay’s vanity allowed him to keep up appearances: he never scratched off his face like some users. A brief stint in rehab didn’t help and by October last year that he realised his problem was worsening.

This time, he’s stuck at it for nine months. Part of the journey means cutting ties with his old scene and avoiding triggers that might make him want to use again.


That includes staying away from Hungry Jack’s, because he so often used their toilets to shoot up. Any association with places he used ice can bring on a serious craving.

“This is the best thing I’ve ever done,” says Jay, who like many young users on the way back, wants to work with ice users.

In a sense, Jay already is, as he talks to young people coming through the rehab centre, where he has now progressed through to their residential section.


“Lived experience is important,” he says. “It’s hard to speak to someone who has not experience. To speak to somewhere who’s been there is majorly different.”

When we spoke to Jay, it was the day of his 24th birthday. He received a text from his big brother, who’d previously disowned him and was now finally making contact.

His told Jay he was proud of him for sticking it out. And so is his mother, Colleen, who lives in Miriam Vale, Queensland.


“This is his second time in rehab, but he was the one who put himself into the clinic,” says Colleen. “He realised he needed help. It takes courage.”

Proud as she is, she’s not completely sold on the new Jay. “You start trying to get trust back because they lie so much, and you know they’re lying,” she says.

“I believe in Jay, but I can’t say yes or no that it will work this time. The Jay I knew before this (ice), I would have said I would have had full confidence.


“But I know how quickly they can fall down. I’ve been reading up on them. When he’s been clean for 12 months, then I might relax.

“I love him to death. Of course I’ll support him. Somebody has to. They can’t do it alone. Without family and love, how will he get through it?”

She know it could be years before she truly stops worrying. “He’s getting back to the old Jay, with the happiness he shows, he’s just not through the tunnel yet.”


SYMBOLS FOR ICE:


* A puff of smoke

* A “T” for Tina

* A rocket

* A syringe

TERMS FOR ICE FOR SEX:


* “wird” or “wired”

* “long sessions”

* “PnP” (party and play)

With some pictures of him -
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...le-to-the-needle/story-fntzoymh-1227497139473
 
I feel like this is one guy advocating for a particular service that helped him, but the media can't get past the "TEH GAYS ARE DOING STUFF!" angle.

There are plenty of straight people (including women) taking ice and having sex.
 
poledriver said:
Timeline of an ice addict: From the cradle to the needle

JAY MORRIS knows he’ll be repairing himself for the rest of his life. That’s just the mental recovery.

Last week, he came out of an operation to repair a heart-valve that doctors believe was damaged due to chronic ice use.


Jay, 24, who’s lived in NSW, Queensland and Victoria, is in rehab at the Calvary Riverina Drug and Alcohol Centre in Wagga Wagga after two years of extreme ice abuse that ended for him in late 2014.

Jay was a hustler, trading sex services for ice on gay hook-up sites such as Grindr and BBRTS, where people who have ice and want sex use symbols such as a puff of smoke or a “T” for Tina (ice).

Other code terms such as “wird”, “wired”, “long sessions” and “PnP” (party and play) to indicate they have ice for sex.


“The gay scene is out of control on ice,” says Jay, a proudly gay man who condemns the sites for failing to moderate the illegal behaviour that fuelled his addiction, including “gay slam” sites where men film themselves injecting ice and have sex.


“It’s a complete free-for-all. You can watch people shooting up meth live on camera. These sites need to be monitored and shut down,” says Jay.

Asked about these sites, the head of the Australian Crime Commission, Chris Dawson, agreed the internet was “a largely unregulated community”.


“It is a very challenging space to be in. It’s not the sort of regular policing I’ve been used to. We have specialists, but I would be the first to say there’s a lot more effort (to be put) into it. It’s a very difficult space to police.”

Jay’s addiction saw him wearing hats or headbands branded “Dealer” or “Addicted” as he became a walking ice billboard.


Growing up in Seven Hills, Sydney, then moving to Queensland, he slipped a long way from the YMCA youth rep, living in Gladstone, being a role-model teenager.

Jay came from a “normal family” and didn’t get into crime and drugs as a kid. But as he became aware he was gay, he says: “Drugs offered me an escape to be who I wanted to be.”


The first time he tried ice was with a needle after a bloke asked him back to his place, telling him it was good for sex. “To be honest, it was the most amazing experience I’ve ever had in my life.”

He never found that intensity again. “I’d have a shot and two hours later I’d need another one. I’d be up 24 hours on end. I was 22, shooting up and selling myself.

“I felt like a king. I felt wanted, in charge, powerful.”


Jay’s vanity allowed him to keep up appearances: he never scratched off his face like some users. A brief stint in rehab didn’t help and by October last year that he realised his problem was worsening.

This time, he’s stuck at it for nine months. Part of the journey means cutting ties with his old scene and avoiding triggers that might make him want to use again.


That includes staying away from Hungry Jack’s, because he so often used their toilets to shoot up. Any association with places he used ice can bring on a serious craving.

“This is the best thing I’ve ever done,” says Jay, who like many young users on the way back, wants to work with ice users.

In a sense, Jay already is, as he talks to young people coming through the rehab centre, where he has now progressed through to their residential section.


“Lived experience is important,” he says. “It’s hard to speak to someone who has not experience. To speak to somewhere who’s been there is majorly different.”

When we spoke to Jay, it was the day of his 24th birthday. He received a text from his big brother, who’d previously disowned him and was now finally making contact.

His told Jay he was proud of him for sticking it out. And so is his mother, Colleen, who lives in Miriam Vale, Queensland.


“This is his second time in rehab, but he was the one who put himself into the clinic,” says Colleen. “He realised he needed help. It takes courage.”

Proud as she is, she’s not completely sold on the new Jay. “You start trying to get trust back because they lie so much, and you know they’re lying,” she says.

“I believe in Jay, but I can’t say yes or no that it will work this time. The Jay I knew before this (ice), I would have said I would have had full confidence.


“But I know how quickly they can fall down. I’ve been reading up on them. When he’s been clean for 12 months, then I might relax.

“I love him to death. Of course I’ll support him. Somebody has to. They can’t do it alone. Without family and love, how will he get through it?”

She know it could be years before she truly stops worrying. “He’s getting back to the old Jay, with the happiness he shows, he’s just not through the tunnel yet.”


SYMBOLS FOR ICE:


* A puff of smoke

* A “T” for Tina

* A rocket

* A syringe

TERMS FOR ICE FOR SEX:


* “wird” or “wired”

* “long sessions”

* “PnP” (party and play)

With some pictures of him -
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...le-to-the-needle/story-fntzoymh-1227497139473
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Thank you for posting this.

Agreed sixbuckets. I know gay men who have had issues with addictions to alcohol and spending/shopping but they said how it is because they have an addictive personality, and other factors not because they are gay that they wound up addicted.

Heterosexual people into meth PNP all the time.
 
While I don't think it has anything inherently to do with homosexuality (more with the psycho-social consequences of homosexuality in modern Western society), to deny that meth abuse is a big problem in the gay community (particularly their party scene) is sticking your head in the sand, imo. I agree that this article seems to be another angle on the "METH EPIDEMIC!!!" fear-mongering campaign the Aussie media have been carrying on for a while now, but that doesn't mean there isn't a real problem beneath the media frenzy.
 
Crankinit said:
While I don't think it has anything inherently to do with homosexuality (more with the psycho-social consequences of homosexuality in modern Western society), to deny that meth abuse is a big problem in the gay community (particularly their party scene) is sticking your head in the sand, imo. I agree that this article seems to be another angle on the "METH EPIDEMIC!!!" fear-mongering campaign the Aussie media have been carrying on for a while now, but that doesn't mean there isn't a real problem beneath the media frenzy.
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Yes indeed it is sticking your head in the sand when people pretend that among gay and bisexual men nobody has unprotected sex, and uses drugs.

I have seen gay men here on bluelight who were from the United States and who were in total denial that there's a huge bareback/PNP scene here among LGBT people, and heterosexual people, even though these gay men did PNP but just used other drugs like K or cannabis/alcohol instead of meth.
 
tomorrows headline. bluelight.org blamed for marijuana madness! the symbolism is real
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This is a little late to be in news articles now ha ha. Seriously, what the fuck? There's meth everywhere and drugs everywhere in America. There's bigger issues than lgbt hookup sites where people hook up for PnP. PnP is so Yesterdays news. I'm shocked they just NOW figured it out. Really? Yea theres always a few bad seeds but I have never heard of someone meeting up with a king pin via grindr. Harmless PnP, IF there is such a thing(probably not says my magic ball) , should not be in the news. Yea meth is big in the gay community, but its big everywhere and everyone who knows shit knows this already. big Duh
 
BananasAndOranges said:
This is a little late to be in news articles now ha ha. Seriously, what the fuck? There's meth everywhere and drugs everywhere in America. There's bigger issues than lgbt hookup sites where people hook up for PnP. PnP is so Yesterdays news. I'm shocked they just NOW figured it out. Really? Yea theres always a few bad seeds but I have never heard of someone meeting up with a king pin via grindr. Harmless PnP, IF there is such a thing(probably not says my magic ball) , should not be in the news. Yea meth is big in the gay community, but its big everywhere and everyone who knows shit knows this already. big Duh
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Exactly. PNP or using meth and other drugs and having unprotected sex with friends, random people, whoever has been happening for decades ever since people first started using amphetamines/meth, or going to bars and getting drunk and hooking up with people.

In the United States at least, some sociologists/sexologists seem to think that PNP means only using meth, and that it's mainly only done by LGBT people who live in urban areas; but it's unprotected/risky sex with anyone and lots of people do it while drunk or stoned, or on other drugs besides meth, and people all over do it. When I lived in a completely rural area people did it there; but it's as you said meth and other drugs are everywhere.
 
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