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*avoids the temptation of mass flaming*
Who cares what country is what, or who is from what, or what country tends to get up to as oppose to what this country might get up to.
The events that occured were no doubt horrific, but that is that case only. Do not use that case as a basis to judge other cases, let alone anyone else.
Less nationalism, more rationalism.
 
The point i was trying to make is that we really have to rethink our criminal system, it costs so much just to lock someone up, the money used to do this could be better used somewhere else, we cant just keep throughing people in jail, yeah it is a good punishment, but it also punishes the tax payers when more and more of there taxes are diverted to maintaining prison systems, when it could be used in more productive ways.
No matter what happens this guy is never going to contribute to society in any productive way. In fact i will go further to say this guy will be a burden to society, we are going to be basically paying this guys living expenses until the day he dies!!!
 
Originally posted by Mr. Horse:
I can't believe how racist so many of you are.
/ashamed to be a bluelighter today
I think you should be more ashamed of the racism displayed of these so called Australian citizens...
No one here has made race the issue, they did as soon as they performed these crimes with racial motives.
People may think that "white" australians are the most racist of all...but racism believe it or not works both ways..
But i don't think anyone here is being racist. How else can you describe these people to set them aside from the rest of the community. They are of lebanese decent. They do live in a very lebanese community. They chose to go after NON lebanese woman. They used taunts like "I'm going to fuck you leb style".
If race is an issue (which it is) then people's opinions about the issue cannot be classed as racist, especially when the "bad guys" made it the issue.
My points of view on the matter would be classed by most people here as being racist (no matter how much i would try to argue the above point) But that is because i have had very bad experiences with people of lebanese decent be it at clubs/school/ or even just at the shops. Why should i not be racist when 95% of my experiences with people of lebanese decent have been bad.
On a side note... i cannot believe that not everyone here has not heard/seen/believe the stereotype of the Coke'd up (or drunk) lebanese guy with his shirt off hanging at the bar sleezing on chicks. Thats "racist", but we've all seen it.... i see it every time i go out in the city (Sydney) wether it be Home or shitty ol Jackons on George or Gas or Zen or Icebox.... where ever... yet we're called a racist for making that observation. But its true. Sure of course i do not mean the WHOLE fucking lebanese community is like that but im sorry if i might judge a book by its cover next time i meet a lebanese male if that is what i see every fuckin time i go out....
Bring on the flame...
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The_Fuel i agree with u.
political correctness, is making it harder and harder, for everyone.
There was this case last year, where the police were put in question about using terms such as; black man, Asian male, Lebanese gang, Asian gang and so forth. Some members of the community believed that it defamed, the related communities, and portrayed an unfair stereo-type. I am sick of having the be cautious of my wording on controversial topics such as this.
In my opinion the people who are doing the most damage are the people who deny the difference in cultures and communities. Then in contradiction turn around and are angered by people not respecting their cultural practices and cultural identity.
 
I'm stunned by what most of you have written. It makes me pleased that democracy doesn't work. I hate to think how much worse our country would be if you people had a chance to vote more often.
 
It's not surprising that some of you are shocked by what you've read in this thread, but it did ask for opinions and that's exactly what people have given. It's not always easy to hide behind a wall of political correctness when a topic such as this touches so close to the bone.
 
Originally posted by plazma:
[QB]Fucking hell one bunch of bullshit comments after another, you'd think these people would have something intelligent to say but no. Guys, if its letting he who is without sin cast the first stone, there ain't gonna be no rocks airborne today. You're acting like a bunch of self righteous wankers. Does ANYONE get this worked up about race when a bunch of white guys choose to gang rape an asian girl or something?. Nope, they don't.
Some of my friends are Lebanese and some are white. no matter which nationality a person is if they commited a crime like this I would hope they get the same sentence. But I agree with Plaz but only in a media perspective.. They have been targetted as Lebanese due to bias. If a group of white men commited this crime there would not be the hatred factor. I do not think it is fair to the Lebanese community that they should be martyred like this. Either way.. what these men did deserves a punishment akin to murder. For they did more than just fuck these girls, they took away thier innocence forever.. that is much the same as taking thier lives. I doubt these girls will be able to sleep ever again without reoccuring dreams of these fucks drooling ovver them.
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Originally posted by Mr. Horse:
I can't believe how racist so many of you are.
/ashamed to be a bluelighter today
Agreed!
I've been quite guilty in the past of drawing to sudden conclusions on emotional issues in the past. I've said stupid things during a bout of personal anxiety/depression/anger or more often than not, when I was just plain rash. I hope that I have learned from those misguided moments, even if I am considerable distance from perfection. :)
People! Stop making a asses of yourselves and distance yourself from the emotional topic. At least then you'll be better mindset when you reply.
[ 19 August 2002: Message edited by: Raving Loony ]
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Every day I see more and more that humanity are nothing more than animals in so many ways, and worse than animals in others, and it shames me even more when its Bluelighters that highlight that fact...
 
Yes, we're just animals, and humans can never behave otherwise. And we love to hate...
A lot of the racist comments are direct quotes seen on tv or in the newspaper. I think it's sad that people can't see that they are basing their opinions on one sided propaganda.
 
I'll second that. It's only that it hasn't really been against the guidelines that i haven't said anything earlier.
 
Humans aren't JUST animals. We're endowed with a sense of reason, compassion and morality. It's just a shame that in so many of us our frailties out number our virtues.
 
Originally posted by Donny Don't:
It's not surprising that some of you are shocked by what you've read in this thread, but it did ask for opinions and that's exactly what people have given. It's not always easy to hide behind a wall of political correctness when a topic such as this touches so close to the bone.And that's the reason why I'm not going to close this thread just yet.
I agree that some of the sentiments being expressed here might be a bit racist, but I'm reluctant to close the thread because the problem is a difference of opinion, and as much as it pains me to say it - a racist opinion is just another way of looking at things.
It's also very important to remember the limitations that come with communicating over the internet. This issue is incredibly complicated, and a lot of people would have trouble arguing their point of view face to face, let alone on bluelight in writing. So if someone says something you don't agree with, ask them to clarify it - don't go screaming about how racist and fucked up they are. On the internet you often don't have the benefit of being able to explain yourself better if you're mis-interpreted, and that's why situations escalate.
It also doesn't help matters to make blanket statements like "you're all racist", or "most of your opinions are fucked up". If you feel that way, well that's great - but back up your claim with examples. A lot of people have put a lot of time into their responses, so show them enough respect to devote a similar amount of time if you wish to dispute their points. That way everyone has a chance to justify their point of view, and the situation doesn't get inflamed by pointless generalisations about how fucked everyone posting in the thread is. Doing that just makes it worse...
If the thread continues along the path of people disputing other's posts without evidence, then it will be closed. But on the most part, people in this thread have been disputing the arguments and not the people, and that's what message boards are supposed to be about. If that keeps up I have no problem whatsoever with this... :)
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It's not often that reading the responses of some people make me genuinely sad.
So they were Lebanese. So what?
Attacking the Lebanese community with the excuse that the offenders were racist too is the ultimate in the kiddie defence of "he did it first".
If you are replying to this thread, think first: "Does this post make me look like an idiot?".
Generally, I am not very politically correct. All the same, I can recognise the difference between an ignorant blanket statement and a legitimate comment.
Please leave your intolerance at the door. Any blantantly racist posts are against guidelines, and will be removed.
Now please, let any real conversation continue...
 
Personally, i don't even like the word "rape" being mentioned around me.
When i watched this report on the news i did feel sympathy towards the victims, and yet 55 years is a long time. But what was in the back of my mind was what about all the people who have killed due to drink driving and things such as that... and gotten away with such sentences as fines, community service or the maximum (or what seems minimum to us) penalty they could have gotten for that crime.
They too, took matters into they're own hands just like rapists, they too could have mental and psychological problems. I wish the judges and courts would understand this.
 
just watching a current affair and it had a poll of "was 55 years was a fair punishment" with 97% saying YES it was the highest yes response ever to a poll on current affair. It was pretty stupid though because it implies 3% didn't think it was fair, giving the indication it was too stronger sentance. I personally believe the 3% thought 55 years wasn't fair because it wasn't long enough! serious.
My opnion on the issue -----> LIFE
peace
 
Yep... I totally agree with the harshness of the jail term too.
I mean... let's face it - you have to be pretty bad for a judge to consider you a *permanent* menace to society at the age of 20. To be so bad that the decision is made to permanently remove you from society.
We do NOT need people like this individual in our society. He's removed for good? I say yay.
 
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