Gaddafi killed in Libya

[Shrooms00087]

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/24/the_man_who_knew_too_much?page=0,0

"When there is no one left to bear witness to our crimes, they are soon forgotten."
the details of his government's collaboration with Western intelligence services in counterterrorism, with the European Union in limiting migration from Libyan shores, and in the granting of major contracts to big Western oil and construction firms.

Ah the foreign press. Slightly better news but still nothing important.
You can see how the West was collaborating with Gaddafi, for instance the government report on relations with Libya:
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q...oBGT_z&sig=AHIEtbRrMXP8xSgcMsS2unwEPF1P_7yIXQ
(quick view)
In that CRS report to Congress it shows how we trained his security forces, how he has been cooperative in the post 911 world (meaning we have CIA black sites and bases there which evidence can be found on the Internet through regular news sites dating prior to 2011) And yes, they limit immigration to the EU but that's common knowledge and the silliest yet "major contracts to big western oil and construction firms"
Well they didn't seem to mention that the Libyan revolution granted all oil rights to U.S. Canada (etc) but no contracts for Russia and China. I don't know about construction. If I were to speculate they saw a revolution in Libya and said "fuck this guy" making a P.R. move and getting benefits (as happens 100% of the time).

 

[ebola?]

I have a friend who did a recent piece in Foreign Policy on the conflict:

Foreign Policy piece

and then did a video interview with the Associated Press:

http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/analyst-potential-for-instability-in-libya-27020867.html

Though Gaddafi's recent death renders some of Ryan's more speculative points slightly obsolete, I think that his more sociologically situated analysis is still valuable.

ebola

 

[MyFinalRest]

Here's a great little segment featuring Michael Sheuer on the "truth" about Obama's quest to get rid of Ghaddafi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXd6A_W8MSA&feature=related

 

[Bardeaux]

So Obama is an arrogant racist and that's the reason he supported the rebels?

 

[Pander Bear]

and he's going to get lots of American kids killed in the wars he starts? This guy isn't a very good prognosticator., even if he's a good researcher.

 

[MyFinalRest]

Don't forget the part about Barack Obama making Rudyard Kipling look like Malcolm X!
I like this Michael Sheuer guy a lot, but he's still not a 9/11 troofer.

Well maybe he is, but knows how risky it can be to speak your mind on an issue after losing a job for some light criticism on US-Israeli policy

 

[Bardeaux]

Are there really still 9/11 truthers?

Are there any truther arguments that haven't been thoroughly debunked over and over?

(not to completely derail my own thread)

 

[MyFinalRest]

Yes, you are completely right: see this Encyclopedia Dramatica entry.

The first line of the entry says it all...

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Are there really still 9/11 truthers?

People want simple reasons. So yes, there are still 9/11 truthers.

 

[MyFinalRest]

Are there really still 9/11 truthers?

People want simple reasons, so yes, there are still 9/11 truth deniers.

 

[MyFinalRest]

Are there really still 9/11 truthers?
Are there any truther arguments that haven't been thoroughly debunked over and over?
(not to completely derail my own thread)

I'd say you totally blew it by saying somethig this LOL! Caution: When a bag shows up with a big 9/11 cat trapped inside of it on your thread - don't fucking open it!

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Because "a bomb did it" is not as simple as "a complex interaction of damaged and overheated structural components lead to a cascading failure."

 

[MyFinalRest]

^see what I mean Bardo?

 

[Bardeaux]

:head explodes:

 

[Escher's Waterfall]

Now we need circumcision to totally derail the thread.

 

[fivelinefury]

That Gaddafi prick got what he deserved, finally...

 

[MyFinalRest]

^U Mad? What did he do to you?

 

[fivelinefury]

^ He didn't do anything to me, and believe me, I ain't a violent person at all, and don't believe in the death penalty for anyone. But I don't support anyone who supports terrorism, received funds from Saddam Hussein, and ruled their people the way he did, etc. I just think its a waste of time trying to put people like him on trial and put them in jail. The way they hide like him and like Bin Laden did, they're just asking to get caught the way they did.

 

[MyFinalRest]

But, he did start playing nice and had sanctions lifted by the Bush administration after dismantling his WMD programs. Also, he did pay reparations to the families of victims of the Lockerbie bombings. Shows it doesn't pay to play nice in international politics I guess.

 

[fivelinefury]

^ Yeah thats true, he did "settle down" a bit later on. He wasn't as hardcore as some other dictators haha