Future of Drug Laws in the UK- Get your unfounded speculation here.

[fastandbulbous]

he was caught with 2 bin bags full of weed, coke, h, amfetamines, pills etc,

I assume you took your name from the character in 'peep show' and therefore are probably British. If that's the case, then don't use the bastardized American spelling of amphetamines; after all the name is derived from the condensation of alphamethylphenethylamine (not even in the US is the C6H5 group known as fenyl). We're not the 51st state (yet!) and anyway, whos fuckin' language is it anyway ). It so pisses me off that some programs only offer 'American English' - they might as well call it bastardized English. Tyre is spelled with a y, not an i, colour has a u in it and tonight is a 7 letter word, not a six letter one. So stand up for the original & authentic version of the language, not some counterfiet version from some uppity colonials

PS If you're not British, just ignore the rantings of a mad old hippie

PPS Hello specialspack, it's good to have somewhere to rant again

 

[superhands]

I assume you took your name from the character in 'peep show' and therefore are probably British. If that's the case, then don't use the bastardized American spelling of amphetamines; after all the name is derived from the condensation of alphamethylphenethylamine (not even in the US is the C6H5 group known as fenyl). We're not the 51st state (yet!) and anyway, whos fuckin' language is it anyway ). It so pisses me off that some programs only offer 'American English' - they might as well call it bastardized English. Tyre is spelled with a y, not an i, colour has a u in it and tonight is a 7 letter word, not a six letter one. So stand up for the original & authentic version of the language, not some counterfiet version from some uppity colonials

PS If you're not British, just ignore the rantings of a mad old hippie

PPS Hello specialspack, it's good to have somewhere to rant again

haha you madcow, sorry for spelling, english is your language indeed my dear !! and peep show is my favourite comedy!! character is called superhans, and im not british !! i accept your apology!! my spelling used to be better, but you know whats it like, use it or lose it !!

 

[Munroe]

Tyre is spelled with a y, not an i

Americans spell it TIRE?! Why the fuck was I not informed of this sooner, this is an outrage!

 

[superhands]

you'll never look like a twat to me

 

[clubberdude]

So, how's it going to play out? Is the light at the end of tunnel in sight, as the failure of the drug war becomes more widely acknowledged, and it becomes obvious that willful blindness is the only explanation for its continuation? Will cannabis be legalised, and the movement for a total end to prohibition lose all momentum? Will a new arylcyclohexlyamine clause be added to the MDA to stop all these pesky PCP and ketamine analogues? Will we continue to have the minutae of our lives dictated by people who read the red-tops?

Personally, cynical as it may seem, I doubt that we're going to see a turnaround in policy. Politicians will continue to be reluctant to step out of line and admit what they obviously know. The tabloids are going to continue to print their vitriol, whilst the intelligent newspapers will dither and doubt rather than offering any real opposition. People have been thinking that it's all going to come crashing down since drug laws were created, but it never seems to happen.

But what do YOU think, dear reader?

Relevant viewing:
House of Lordz comes good!

I reckon there will almost certainly be an arylcyclohexylamine analogue act passed before long, perhaps even by the end of this year.

 

[BecomingJulie]

I still think they're crazy enough to try to end the cat-and-mouse game once and for all, by outlawing the act of getting high; anything you did or used in the course of altering your state of consciousness, or attempting to do so, would constitute an offence.

To their minds, it would mean never having to ban another recreational drug, because they would all already be illegal even before they were invented.

It might be totally impracticable, for sure, but when has that ever stopped them before? The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 springs to mind .....

 

[tambourine-man]

If we cut the military budget wouldn't the taliban just go round to all the farmers we were subsidising and say "Grow anything but poppy and we will come back and make you eat your own shit smothered in ketchup before we fuck you up the arse"?

Brown sauce, surely?

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

Speaking as a brit legalisation would be no improvement on the current situation. Alcohol hasnt even been sucessfully integrated culturally. Youths are hitting the bottle harder and earlier.Introduce new highs and you create generations of drug casualties. Noone seems to be aware of how severe painkiller addiction is in the us. Tellingly he UK doesnt use synthetic opioids widely and there is a comparatively mild problem.Availability can in certain conditions increase use

 

[Munroe]

Perhaps the severe painkiller addiction in the US is due to the profit driven healthcare system?

 

[Transform]

Speaking as a brit legalisation would be no improvement on the current situation. Alcohol hasnt even been sucessfully integrated culturally. Youths are hitting the bottle harder and earlier.Introduce new highs and you create generations of drug casualties. Noone seems to be aware of how severe painkiller addiction is in the us. Tellingly he UK doesnt use synthetic opioids widely and there is a comparatively mild problem.Availability can in certain conditions increase use

This is why a lot of people advocate regulation, with drugs availability depending on the harm they can cause. Cannabis might be sold as alcohol is now, with psychedelics requiring a licence demonstrating knowledge of safe use and strong opiates given only on prescription.

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

This is why a lot of people advocate regulation, with drugs availability depending on the harm they can cause. Cannabis might be sold as alcohol is now, with psychedelics requiring a licence demonstrating knowledge of safe use and strong opiates given only on prescription.

The black market would still profit though. Most brit youngsters would find a way to get hold of these things particularly with added exposure and acceptance coming from the removal of the fear and mystery surrounding drugs. The pharm industry is also one part of the story. Pain treatment isnt typically characterised by full blown addiction.

People's natural propensity for addiction is being exploited/realised. Legalisation would have this exact effect in british society at least. We seem to have some kind of "magical thinking" when it comes to narcotics. Attributing magical properties to them. Such irrationality leads to abuse and would make the public susceptible to pharmaceutical propoganda thru film , music etc

A HR forum is populated by conscientous users. We would benefit from legalisation since a roportion of us sare aware of the dangers. Average dude on the street could not handle legalisation.

 

[Ismene]

The black market would still profit though.

I dunno, just having legal mephedrone put the Coke and E market in the UK onto it's knees. And mephedrone is shit. Imagine if they legalised a worthwhile drug.

People's natural propensity for addiction is being exploited/realised. Legalisation would have this exact effect in british society at least.

I dunno, prohibiting heroin obviously leads to a massive increase in addiction. If H was legal people could buy it anytime they want, lead healthy productive lives instead of having to rob to fund the money and destroying their health with impurities. I think the number of heroin addicts in the UK was about 500 in 1968. After 40 years of prohibition, it's 500,000.

Average dude on the street could not handle legalisation.

The country didn't fall apart when mushrooms were legal a few years ago. Everyone had a great time. I think the average dude would cope just fine.

 

[Transform]

The black market would still profit though. Most brit youngsters would find a way to get hold of these things particularly with added exposure and acceptance coming from the removal of the fear and mystery surrounding drugs. The pharm industry is also one part of the story. Pain treatment isnt typically characterised by full blown addiction.

Perhaps, but it would absolutely crippled and gradually shrink to a tiny fraction of its current size. It would not be legal to sell without a license or posess above x amount without a licence so the black market would remain black and be easily undercut by the white market.

People's natural propensity for addiction is being exploited/realised. Legalisation would have this exact effect in british society at least. We seem to have some kind of "magical thinking" when it comes to narcotics. Attributing magical properties to them. Such irrationality leads to abuse and would make the public susceptible to pharmaceutical propoganda thru film , music etc

All drug advertising would be banned (as it should be for alcohol and prescription drugs today). Most drugs would be sold with all profits going to the government.
I would make it so that natural products were profit-able much as local breweries can exist today, so should local groweries.
Non-natural products which are, by definition always identical, would be sold for government profit only.

A HR forum is populated by conscientous users. We would benefit from legalisation since a roportion of us sare aware of the dangers. Average dude on the street could not handle legalisation.

A large portion of enforcement money could be sent straight to education. Teens would be taught how to safely use drugs, as well as some of the history behind them (to avoid a simple preaching lesson).

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

I dunno, just having legal mephedrone put the Coke and E market in the UK onto it's knees. And mephedrone is shit. Imagine if they legalised a worthwhile drug.

People's natural propensity for addiction is being exploited/realised. Legalisation would have this exact effect in british society at least.

I dunno, prohibiting heroin obviously leads to a massive increase in addiction. If H was legal people could buy it anytime they want, lead healthy productive lives instead of having to rob to fund the money and destroying their health with impurities. I think the number of heroin addicts in the UK was about 500 in 1968. After 40 years of prohibition, it's 500,000.

Average dude on the street could not handle legalisation.

The country didn't fall apart when mushrooms were legal a few years ago. Everyone had a great time. I think the average dude would cope just fine.

im with you on this but seriously freely available heroin? People would mix for a start leading to od's. Exposure would increase via word of mouth. Bored undersexed housewives and the unemployed would have a field day. Existing addicts would probably remain addicts to, without any real financial/legal incentive to quit.

There would be a generation of tragedies. Modern man is obsessed dwith novel sensations and only cultural prohibition stops him exploring them. The moment the gov gives assent... Drugs have to be integrated into society over millenia. Coca leaves peyote etc being examples. Look what alcohol did to native americans

Also I wouldnt include psychs in this. Theyre a different animal to dopaminergic narcotics

Perhaps, but it would absolutely crippled and gradually shrink to a tiny fraction of its current size. It would not be legal to sell without a license or posess above x amount without a licence so the black market would remain black and be easily undercut by the white market.


All drug advertising would be banned (as it should be for alcohol and prescription drugs today). Most drugs would be sold with all profits going to the government.
I would make it so that natural products were profit-able much as local breweries can exist today, so should local groweries.
Non-natural products which are, by definition always identical, would be sold for government profit only.


A large portion of enforcement money could be sent straight to education. Teens would be taught how to safely use drugs, as well as some of the history behind them (to avoid a simple preaching lesson).

Diversion would create a grey market where kids/criminals could get sorted I reckon. Purity would then come with a unique set of problems . Drug ads would be subtle too. Celebs would glamorise and champion certain chems, medical professionals would carve a niche in the media, all it takes is drug references in the right context to create associations.Education would be key and might redeem the situation, but what has it done for binge drinking?

 

[Mailmonkey]

We would benefit from legalisation since a roportion of us sare aware of the dangers. Average dude on the street could not handle legalisation.

Jesus you're a patronising turd ain't ya?

some people have a drink every day, some people once in a blue moon, some don't touch it, some go on to become full blown alcoholics.

But peope should have the right to choose.

 

[Mailmonkey]

Modern man is obsessed dwith novel sensations and only cultural prohibition stops him exploring them. The moment the gov gives assent.

No, cultural prohibition doesn't stop ANYONE exploring this perefectly natural part of the human psyche.

It just means that those who do wish to explore those avenues have access to cut, possibly dangerous product, of varying quality and purity, and so are in greater danger than if said product was regulated.

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

Jesus you're a patronising turd ain't ya?

some people have a drink every day, some people once in a blue moon, some don't touch it, some go on to become full blown alcoholics.

But peope should have the right to choose.

Keep it civil were all adults here and high post count doesnt give u permission to get offensive.Im just going by experience. You know how awful binge drinking can get, add potent narcotics into the mix with the ignorance that exists in the general population. Even with drug education many teens cant drink safely. Its not my intention to sound conceited or elitist

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

No, cultural prohibition doesn't stop ANYONE exploring this perefectly natural part of the human psyche.

It just means that those who do wish to explore those avenues have access to cut, possibly dangerous product, of varying quality and purity, and so are in greater danger than if said product was regulated.

And it does. Why do you think people will drink within inches of their life and wake up in a pool of vomit but sneer at mj users.Social conditioning. Your on a soapbox - climb down. Im for drug use but in the UK things as they stand its just as impractical as prohibition

 

[Mailmonkey]

sorry for insult, but really, you DO come across as conceited and elitist (your words), and patronising (my word ), I'll retract the "turd" part of "patronising turd", okay

These teens, and the ignorant "general population" you speak of ALREADY have access to drugs if they want them, just much much worse drugs, obtained at a higher price, and a questionable purity, and with NO HR advice at all from point of sale.

Yes, we have alcoholics, binge drinkers, death and illness from alcohol abuse......do you realy think this situation would be improved if alcohol were to be prohibited like "drugs"

 

[Transform]

"Somebody think of the children!"

Exactly as mailmonkey said. Yes, there will be diversion which will make it possible for kids to get a hold of drugs, but do you think that they can't now?

Think a drug dealer has ever asked for ID?