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Future of Drug Laws in the UK- Get your unfounded speculation here.

Mailmonkey said:
sorry for insult, but really, you DO come across as conceited and elitist (your words), and patronising (my word ;) ), I'll retract the "turd" part of "patronising turd", okay =D

These teens, and the ignorant "general population" you speak of ALREADY have access to drugs if they want them, just much much worse drugs, obtained at a higher price, and a questionable purity, and with NO HR advice at all from point of sale.

Yes, we have alcoholics, binge drinkers, death and illness from alcohol abuse......do you realy think this situation would be improved if alcohol were to be prohibited like "drugs"
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Haha I dont mean to - its just that im angry that the combination of willful ignorance deceit profiteering etc has created this situation. Ive had it up to here with being labelled by folk and seeing completely irrational responses to beneficial substances.

Alcohol could never be banned because its woven into cultural identity. The opium den nd the pub are worlds apart. Narcotics arent on most folks radar.It never occurs to many people that drugs could be a force for good but naturally alcohol isnt a drug so its exempt.Not only that but how many every day people would know where and how to score? It requires some balls to ingest an unknown substance and to shell out cash on it. I dont know any mescaline users and so imrestricted to peyote online. Without exposure there is no oppurtunity.

Most people are thus far removed from drugs with the exception of certain demographics. Media conditioning is strong there anyway. Remember drugs are bad m'kay? Prohibition is a noxious policy but it has enforced a majority of sober folk. This sustains it.

The UK is a unique case because of the nature of its people. No other nation binges like we do.Compare boozing on the continent. Im not sure we could cope with a sudden influx of narcs replete with gov and peer approval. What Ive seen of teens and drink implies a desire to be high. That is restricted to alcohol for most since this what is acceptable.
 
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Bucklecroft Rudy said:
Most people are thus far removed from drugs with the exception of certain demographics. Media conditioning is strong there anyway. Remember drugs are bad m'kay? Prohibition is a noxious policy but it has enforced a majority of sober folk. This sustains it.
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"Most people" are not removed from drugs apart from "certain demographics", drug use goes way beyond ay demographic divisions, it is YOU who is blinkered.

Prohibition has NOT enforced a sober majority.

I don't know where you are geting this stuff.

Your next post about hacking our brains suggests maybe you are one of the people you talk about who need protecting from drooogz.

Don't tell me to get off my soapbox, no other fucker can get near the soapbox, you've been hogging it for last couple of pages. I'm just trying to respond to some of your wild and unproven claims.
 
Mailmonkey said:
"Most people" are not removed from drugs apart from "certain demographics", drug use goes way beyond ay demographic divisions, it is YOU who is blinkered.

Prohibition has NOT enforced a sober majority.

I don't know where you are geting this stuff.

Your next post about hacking our brains suggests maybe you are one of the people you talk about who need protecting from drooogz.

Don't tell me to get off my soapbox, no other fucker can get near the soapbox, you've been hogging it for last couple of pages. I'm just trying to respond to some of your wild and unproven claims.
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Im not going to respond dickishly in kind i'll keep enough cool 4 the 2 of us
Most people equates to Mrs 2.4 kids on Mulberry Lane. Where do tell is she going to score?
Regular drug users are the minority
Technology has been developing exponentially. We already are able to create altered conciousness remotely using magnetism, and there are tech which claim to interact with brain waves. 100 years will hone this tech.
Anyone can see that we have less freedom than we did 20 years ago. William Burroughs foresaw it as do 99% of social scientists
 
I'll tell you there be bare housewives picking up dem skank on street corners in Finchley. Straight from de ghetto districts of buckingham a lie

This is sarcasm. Finchley and Buckingham are terrible places to score.
 
Bucklecroft Rudy said:
I'll tell you there be bare housewives picking up dem skank on street corners in Finchley. Straight from de ghetto districts of buckingham a lie

This is sarcasm. Finchley and Buckingham are terrible places to score.
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Just depends who you know, Mrs 2.4 of Mulberry Avenue in Finchley has a great dealer, she's an old friend who comes to her house now and then for a catch up, and she leaves a bit of coke and a bit of weed for Mrs 2.4 and her hubby, good quality stuff too, better than what the kidz are getting!
 
I think rudy is right, regular drug users are certainly in the minority, but that does not mean they will pick up a habit the minute it's legal, nor would they be unable to understand safe use if they did.

There will always be a minority, yes, but are the lives of thousands of mexicans worth protecting these few who are too ignorant to do their own research.

I'd rather have them all alive but if I had to name the more deserving group it would not be innocent bystanders on the streets of mexico or the mayors desperately trying to fight corruption.
 
okay, there are fewer people in this country who use "drugs" (as in illegal ones) regularly, than those who don't...

but they are not confined to any demographic group.

And anyone who wants to use drugs will do so anyway.

There are lots of people who think drugs are harmful because they are illegal.

Ha, I'm too fucking stoned to make any snse today.
 
Bucklecroft Rudy said:
im with you on this but seriously freely available heroin? People would mix for a start leading to od's. Exposure would increase via word of mouth. Bored undersexed housewives and the unemployed would have a field day. Existing addicts would probably remain addicts to, without any real financial/legal incentive to quit.
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I think the number of addicts is pretty constant. Alcohol is legal and you don't an increasing number of addicts every year - it's been pretty constant for the last 100 years. Addiction is about something more than the drug being legal.

And with heroin being one of the safest drugs known to man, so what if you're addicted? There's lots of ex-soldiers addicted to heroin after being wounded who lead profitable, healthy lives, run marathons, deadlift 500lbs and live till they're 90 - because they get prescribed pure heroin from the doctors. And if heroin was sold at the genuine price rather than the blackmarket price you could buy a kilo for a tenner. No need to rob.

Legal heroin takes away any of the current problems you have with heroin.

peyote etc being examples. Look what alcohol did to native americans

Peyote wasn't integrated into native indian society over milennia - it moved north from Mexico in about 1900. Before then none of the indians used it.

I think the poverty and ill-treatment of native americans came before their alcohol problems.
 
I think rudy is right, regular drug users are certainly in the minority, but that does not mean they will pick up a habit the minute it's legal, nor would they be unable to understand safe use if they did.
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This is what I always thought, you had the argument "look, if hard drugs were legal, all the people who don't currently use them wouldn't just start". But mephedrone showed me I was wrong. Suddenly, all these people who would never have touched anything illegal were hoovering down huge amounts of meph all the time.
 
Vader said:
This is what I always thought, you had the argument "look, if hard drugs were legal, all the people who don't currently use them wouldn't just start". But mephedrone showed me I was wrong. Suddenly, all these people who would never have touched anything illegal were hoovering down huge amounts of meph all the time.
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Those were odd times saw people turn into raging fiends for the evening temp psychosis seizures etc from what I remember tho it never took newhere else like it did here in the uk
 
Meph's success was due to a total lack of coke or E, that it wasn't regulated whatsoever and the price, which made it not only the drug of choice for a lot of people but also gave people easy access.

I don't for one second believe there was a huge untapped population that, Meph aside, would be 'normal law abiding citizens.' From anecdotal evidence, the people taking Meph were younger people, without access to (lots of) money nor dealers, who'd had exposure to drugs already.

What about all the other over-the-internet drugs which haven't taken off? Why was it just Meph? Would Meph have become so big if it was released to the market right now?
 
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