Future Cycle Advice

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Y'all were so helpful before I've come back. I'm just coming out of my first cycle of test c (500mg/week) and I'm already considering another playthrough this coming May. I plan on sticking with test c again though I'll bump it to 12 weeks. I'd like add a little more hardness so I'll be adding Anavar. I'm itching to get everything now that I can afford it.

I was also thinking of kick starting the whole thing with test prop. Most people recommend dbol for the first 4 weeks but I'd like to avoid painful pumps/hairloss/liver toxcity. What's a good dose for prop and how long should it be run? Would running with test c be too much?

5'9 188-90 (need to check BF soon)

Week 1-? Test Prop ? (EOD)
Week 1-12 Test C 500mg (EW)
Week 7-12 Anavar at 50mg(ED)
Week 14-18 Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

I didn't get any gyno related symptoms from my test only cycle but I'll have extra nolva on hand just in case.

I also plan on getting my blood levels checked before I start this. I'm wondering how my cholesterol fared from my 8 weeks of test.
 
I would switch the nolva to clomid, no need to lower your GH and IGF levels....and that's exactly what nolva will do. Clomid 100/100/75/50. As for frontloading, check this out....


Front-loading steroid cycles
Posted Jul.13, 2007 under 3.4 - Steroid Cycle Planning

There is a lot of scrutiny regarding proper anabolic-androgenic steroid cycle structure for maximal muscle gains with minimal risks. Front loading is one practice gaining attention in the bodybuilding community. This process immediately elevates blood androgen levels. Front loading omits the customary delay of obtaining peak and stable blood levels by increasing the cycle’s front-end use.

Athletes stumble onto AAS use while scavenging for further ways to promote a progressive strength training routine – especially bodybuilders and powerlifters. Strength athletes often search for ways to develop productive steroid cycling protocols by combining the clinical research that is available with personal experience; as well as gathering insight from others. Formal clinical trials analyzing anabolic steroids in sports and exercise are rare. The medical community perceives little application for large performance-enhancing amounts of AAS to treat disease – even though many athletes would argue poor performance is an adverse health condition. Mostly through trial and error, numerous informal studies and private research examines various steroid cycling methods and how they can present a positive impact on performance and body composition. This information is generally shared through social networks, to include using online messaging software.

Steroid hormones meant for intramuscular injection have attached fatty (carboxylic) acid esters to delay the hormone’s actions. They create a slow-release depot within the muscle for sustained and even blood levels. Instead of being immediately metabolize, the parent hormone is steadily released for days, or weeks. The rate at which the hormone is released is based on the ester’s characteristics; such as length and weight. Commonly available heavy, long esters are: enanthate, cypionate or decanoate.

Due to a slow release, when a steroid with an attached heavy ester is injected at routine intervals, peak plasma concentrations can take weeks to elevate and remain stable. This is why most users do not notice performance results with heavy esters until a few weeks into the AAS cycle. Plasma levels must first build up to significant amounts to support the events associated with gains in strength and muscle mass. The ester’s speed of release is typically documented by it’s associated half-life, the time it takes for half of the administered steroid to metabolize. Active lives are also published, indicating the estimated time for full absorption of the compound.

Many bodybuilders and powerlifters have begun to omit the waiting period for peak blood levels with front loading. Most users report muscular gains are best made during the first several weeks of an anabolic steroid cycle; results dwindle after six to eight weeks of application. Immediately flooding the system with growth hormones makes the most of this sensitive period. Simply put: front loading gets the cycle started quicker – while the body is most receptive of growth cues. Also, a quicker onset can present an option for shorter cycle duration; resulting in less impact to the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis for easier post-cycle recovery of natural androgen production.

Normally, the same drug administered during the cycle is used to front load. The perfect front-load can be accurately calculated for stable release using figures and charts, but it’s cumbersome. There is some simplified guidance for front loading a heavy-ester cycle. First, calculate weekly use; administering 250 milligrams of testosterone enanthate every three days is equal to 583 milligrams per week (250/3*7). Then, double the weekly use and administer that amount prior to the first half life from the first injection – around four days for testosterone enanthate. Alternatively, the same compound with a lighter ester can be used, such as acetate or propionate.

Today, many users are starting to front-load steroid cycles every time a heavy ester is used – to eliminate delayed affects on body composition and strength. Many others merely jump start a cycle with orals or suspensions, drugs without an ester allow quick absorption. Either method will boost blood levels up quickly to fully exploit the early responsive period – a time when the body is primed for growth and will best use the hormonal signals for amplified muscle growth.

According to basic pharmacology, a single dose of 250mg of testosterone enanthate will deliver the parent hormone at it’s highest values the first 10 days; around 31, 27, 23, 20, 18, 15, 13, 12, 10 and nine milligrams, respectfully. After 10 days, the amounts released become negligible. Repeated injections create an overlap that gradually builds up blood levels. Actual amounts are affected by the injection site and technique, personal differences in physiology and the sites body fat levels.

The above cycle illustrates testosterone enanthate administered at 250 milligrams every three days; with and without a front load. The front loaded portion was accurately configured and applied with 500 milligrams on day one, 250 milligrams on day two, a day off and then 250 milligrams every third day for the cycle’s duration. The front load is 1000 milligrams within the first four days – almost twice the weekly administered amount (583mg). Blood testosterone volume is immediately elevated and reasonably stable the first week with the front load.

Non-front-loaded administration did not elevate and stabilize blood levels until over three weeks after the cycle’s launch. This is why results normally don’t manifest themselves for many weeks without a proper front load.





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I had heard about front-loading - forgotten - then remembered after you posted that. So I could literally just front-load the test c and save getting prop? I guess results are comparable?

I hear so many conflicting arguments about nolva vs clomid. I'm using nolva for my current PCT. I vaguely know that it's stronger but mainly targets the nips - whereabouts clomid make you a whiny menopause jerk but works you over more.
 
I had heard about front-loading - forgotten - then remembered after you posted that. So I could literally just front-load the test c and save getting prop? I guess results are comparable?

You could frontload the test c, but I would much rather use the prop instead. Makes for a much better kick starter. End results will be comparable, if not the same. Oh, and as for the nolva.....it's old school, there is no reason to stress your body with that stuff. The only reason why most BBs keep it on hand is just in case of a gyno emergency, that along with letro. I use clomid only and some of my cycles have almost 3g of AAS a week in them. It really is all you need.



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A search on google brings you so many opinions (and facts?) on the differences between clomid and nolva.

Many users of clomid complain that they felt like whiny ladies on the stuff. Most people seem to recommend nolva over it. It's cheaper, requires less and boosts more power than clomid. I looked up your mention of decreased GH levels - confirmed it - and also found a bit of nolvas power to lower cholesterol.

I've been experimenting with nolva on workout days. (Taken the night before) Read about an 150% increase in testosterone. I know mentally I feel different.

I also read that 100/50/50/50 for clomid is great. Some say 150. I actually went with the clomid but I may change it while I have the chance.

Is it really that stressful?
 
no need to go that high with the clomid..doesn't sound like you're really supressed...try a dosing protocol that resembles 50/50/25/15 etcccc....I've always used liquid forms of clomiphene, so dosing at lower dosages is easier...

clomid is sorta rough on the emotions but nothing unbearable at the doses i recommend...also expect mild visual impairments (hard to explain) and the ability to shoot loads like peter north...

taper off the drug so you don't experience a rebound..

also, your next cycle plans look fanatastic...I'm running the same thing in a few months but keeping the var dosages at 40-50 for the remaining 6 weeks of the 12 week cycle..
 
RANDOM THOUGHT!!!

Looks like I have enough var to run 50mg ED for a little over 8 weeks. Is there any point to doing this? If so should this be at the start or towards the end of the cycle.

I already take 1g of ALA spread throughout the day. <---Wasteful?
 
RANDOM THOUGHT!!!

Looks like I have enough var to run 50mg ED for a little over 8 weeks. Is there any point to doing this? If so should this be at the start or towards the end of the cycle.

I already take 1g of ALA spread throughout the day. <---Wasteful?

I would do it for the final 8 weeks to promote drier and leaner gains...
 
Last time I ran test cyp it seemed to take like 3 weeks before fully kicking in. I"m kind of pulling this advice out of my ass (vs. a good ammt of knowledge or experience on front-loading) but I'd go with prop aprox 75mg/day or aprox 150mg every other day for about the first 2 1/2 weeks. You could go a little less as well but those doses come out in the neighborhood of 500mg test/week.

Maybe someone with more knowledge in this area could refine my suggestion?
 
Last time I ran test cyp it seemed to take like 3 weeks before fully kicking in. I"m kind of pulling this advice out of my ass (vs. a good ammt of knowledge or experience on front-loading)

Cypionate and Enanthate will take approximately 18-21 days to completely saturate your blood with testosterone, depending on dosage. However, when front-loading you double the desired dosage and these high levels of testosterone keep high concentrations of the hormone while you reach a consistency; they also make you feel the effects sooner.

I front-loaded the beginning of my current cycle of Test E and Tren ace (only front-loading the test), and I definitely noticed an increase in energy in the gym, however I did not have any noticeable gains until ~16 days.

OP, if you want more good info on front-loading(FL), I am sure Victor has some. How old are you? And how much AAS experience do you have? FLing can be difficult for less experienced users. Also if you FL, you I would suggest shortening your cycle length to 10 weeks If you feel comfortable doing it, then I would begin with 750mg testosterone on day 1, 500mg day 2, off on day 3, then begin 250mg twice weekly.

Hope this helps
 
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I'm forgoing FLing. First of all I just blew half+ of my 60ml all over the floor, shirt, counter transferring a stealth pack to vial. Looks like I have just a little more than I did last cycle. 25ml/250mg. I think I have 40ish. My 100ml vial is less than half full.

Rationalizing - that 60ml was still cheaper than my last 25ml vial.
 
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