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Stimulants Functional use of uppers to blast my way out of depression?

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Berdo tm1

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i know i know everyone is immediately going to jump on the bandwagon and say 'oh no no naughty naughty they will just make you worse!' has anyone really done a good earnest trial of this tho, talking about smaller doses not recreational doses.

Before you say it ive tried therapy (tlkaing, cbt bla blah) its total junk imo, no different from faith healing in that regard :P.
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if my depression is caused by a vicious cycle of inactivity then what is the problem with using stimulants to 'blast my way out'? The only issue ive had in the past with this has been id take recreational doses and suffer bad comedowns and i wasnt actually trying to do it just to get messed up or whatever. I know for some it will be hard to control dosing with compulsive things so im not saying its gonna be a good general working method for others but ive never had an addictive personality.

I never tried using functional doses to get stuff done. So long as I could control the comedowns (whether this will be possible or not is antoher matter but thats the only hurdle i really see) then it seems plausible. Not an every day thing just maybe once or twice a week max. Even a cpl of days working at full capacity without this crippling pessimism and inertia would be great and at least give me something to look forward to in this otherwise unending pit of despair.

So i suggest small doses of stims coupled with a behaviorist approach of firing through the activities which will take you out of depression. So it isnt 'just an escape' youd actually be getting the real concrete stuff done to keep you out of depression- building relationships etc cos atm im so fuckign antisocial im pretty much a recluse and hate everyone. Without some kind of crutch ive found I just stay stuck in the same position. I make a tiny pathetic effort towards my goals then give up before i get anywhere and feel even worse at yet another failure in the overall failure of my life.

That is indeed what ive read anti depressants are used for, ie that is what the doctor told me should be the expected outcome/what the common literature says. Thing is 1st i dont want to take any shit 24/7 like they want you to and second any serotonin dumpers ive found just make me more morose and doctors only seem to have a bevvy of serotonin boosters not dopamine blasters that i so desire.

Scientists are so narrow minded, just cos they found serotonin can help mood they are like GTFO! to anything else and dont give a shit about studying other things. anyway that isnt gonna change any time soon.

The only dopa anti depressant available is wellbutrim from what ive read. That sounded like a dream to me apart from the seizure risks! but ofc the UK doesnt allow it for depression for some fucking capricious reason im sure.

So im thinking little hits of a mild stim. Maybe modafinil since that seems a lesser evil of the stims and is actually used as an antidepressant in some off label cases i read.
 
Well man, I've taken amphetamines exactly as you are describing and for the same reason.
Actually a shrink put me on dextro-amphetamine for depression and it worked ok.
The hard part is staying on a small enough dose so that tolerance isn't an issue...so much so anyway.

I don't see why methamphetamine should be any different.

Instead of "blasting" though...try "walking"...sloooowly.
 
Yeah, going into this trial, with an attitude of "blasting you outta the depression", isn't going to end up well. Amphetamines used for anything like depression, are going to require more than is needed for focus. Also, at some point or another will result in further monoamine depletion; worsening all your depressive symptoms. Tolerance to the euphoric effects will form used twice a week,and the mood lift will be very temporary. Once you get a little tolerance, the crashes will make the soul crushing depression that much worse after a month or 3. We are all different. I know you are desperate so you are probably gonna try anyway. So my best advice is to take it once a week, at 20-30 mg adderall, or 15 -20 mg dexedrine. With a nmda antagonist such as dxm or chelated magnesium to help with tolerance and decreased nuero-toxicity, so the benefits will stretch as long as possible. Just my 2 cents from an experienced for 10 years adhd patient and ex stimulant abuser for the purpose for increasing focus interest, and lifting depression. It's a very short term fix, and it didn't help me at all in long run.
 
Do you think that kratom would be more suitable for the job then? since many ppl take that for years daily and sitll get good effects form it.

ive just been to scared of something that carries a risk of physical dependence as psychological im used to so know what to expect.

seems any action is fraught with danger, so my two options are constant unchanigng misery or risking making myself worse- but maybe i could also make myself better. Im certinaly not a gambling man hence why ive just remained in the malaise of inaction for so long.

i hate how theres this dbl standard in the 'drug commmunity' thats its ok to have 4 day animal benders and fuck cats on stims but actually using them productively is forbidden and heavily 'frowned upon'?
 
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Theres historical evidence for using amphetamines for depression.
Mainly it was prescribed to women (prob because men just didnt go to the doctor for feeling down, in them days) and was generally effective.

However, amphetamines dont treat depression. They eleviate the symptoms, like low moods, lethargy, lack of social interaction etc.
The longterm effects can be quite damaging as well, i wont go into them though because its been spoke about on BL extensively already.

I used amphetamine myself daily for nearly a year, everyday. I kept the doses small (100mg-200mg, but this was street amps so prob only 10% pure at best) and it did improve my functionality alot, after i got over anorectic and insomniac effects.
Eventually, i could eat and sleep normally while on it and i found that so long as i controlled my doses and ate and slept, i could retain a small measure of euphoria. Not a great deal of euphoria but enough to lift my mood.

I would say that if nothing else has worked then give it a try...just remember to control your doses, so that you keep tolerance down and dont deplete your neurotransmitters too much.
 
I have used low doses as in 20mg's or under of Dexedrine to help with the bipolar depression i get. It does work good for this purpose but i find that the anti-depressant effect only lasts as long as the Dexedrine does. That and you won't get much of a effect for long from a small dose. I find that tolerance to amphetamines goes up rather quickly for me. If you could stick to taking low doses every now and then only when your really bummed out then it wouldn't be too bad. But the problem is sticking to occasional low dose use as it's very easy to just say fuck it and take more so you don't feel fatigued at all.
 
Ah great some experiential reports.

Yes ofc depletion is the other peril with this type of thing.

Isnt it just the case that antidepressants dont cause depletion simply cos they have a ceiling effect? so therefore you could avoid it with speed if you kept doses low?

Ye paranoid andoird id say bipolar is jsut what i have in that when im busy and getting on with thigns ill be fine, however my mood its thread bear thin in that the tinest setback will hurtle me into a pit of negative thinking and doom and gloom which could last for days.

So Id never really consider using stims every single day that is very unrealistic, but perhaps keeping it in reserve for a mood booster. A shunt back into productivity.


I have no problem with the effect lasting only as long as the drug, what more would you expect :P so long as there wasnt a crash which brought me down more after. If you have been 'generative' in the time the effects were going then you could feel good about your accomplishments so in that sense you'll be gianing something after they wear off.
 
the thing about depression is sometimes it's there for a reason, like there's something in your life you need to fix. if this is what's causing your depression you need to make life changes, not take drugs for it.

if this isn't the case i don't really have an answer, i don't know whether or not to take amphetamines for depression. to me they've always been a temporary fix, but i take them unprescribed.
 
Back when I was prescribed vyvanse I remember it helping with my mood and it seemed to help with my bi-polar tendencies as well.

I think stimulants are useful tools if used properly, but if abused they can be the bane of ones existence. I really think its difficult to make it past that stage after the first couple days where you find the euphoria fading. That said, I did it. Haven't had amp for a while now...
 
@ OP, common antidepressants like the ssri's do have a ceiling effect because they are re-uptake inhibitors. This means they dont release more serotonin, they increase the amount of availiable serotonin and the amount of time it is in use.
 
My psychiatrist once said that I could use some amphetamine to bring me back to life, to give me a boost in the morning etc. I laughed at first, but he seemed quite serious. And he mentioned a story that imputed a lot of doctors used amphetamine in his young age. It was after I quit clonazepam or just before. Well, I did, but I couldn't keep the dose low.
 
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