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Fun with MAOIs part 1(3,4-DMPEA + MAOB-I) not experienced

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I had posted in another forum I received DMPEA, it was a large jug of foul smelling light brown liquid that smelled like ammonia and old urine as I had mistakenly obtained the freebase instead of HCl.

I had known all along that it would be active despite everyone else's dismissings. Shulgin's experiments with it made no sense what so ever and no conclusion could have been reached from them.

I didn't know what to expect, perhaps something like MDA or between MDA and Mescaline or a less visual form of mescaline.

My Pargyline arrived finally so now my experiments could begin. I haven't yet salted out the solution so my intranasal experiments will have to wait. The pargyline had yet another pungent smell. Kinda a weird slightly toxic citrussy smell.

I ate a capsule containing about 25mg pargyline(mao-b inhibitor and mao-a at higher doses).

15min later I botted 3ccs of ketamine. Never got into a khole but was nicely fucked up. About 30min later I noticed something very odd... Echoes, like I was tripping, this has never happened on ketamine and I can't see the pargyline to be trippy in anyway. So I waited another 45min to be completely down from the K and to make sure that no further psychedelic effects were experienced if pargyline did indeed produce them

45min nothing, The brief episode of echoes never remanifested so I decided to try the DMPEA. I didn't know at what does it would be active but I figured somewhere around mescaline's active dose so I took about (actually 2g)400mg(freebse liquid)mixed in Lemon juice which i impatiently drank a couple minutes later and tasted the oil, nothing salted, rinsed down with some milk.

30min later I noticed my heart rate seemed up, nothing alarming but I was still trying to be very (possibly)overly aware of my physical status as I think my heart rate was not as high as i thought it was.

Another 15min later I started getting a nice very comfortable bodyhigh. Skin felt comfortable although not as great as with MDMA, most psychedelic can actually make me feel a bit uncomfortable/odd at times, this was a nice feeling. Like I said, no energy, I kinda just wanted to lay on my bed. I got up and walked to the bathroom to check my pupils. I got to the bathroom and forgot to check my pupils but started getting alot of teeth chattering much like MDMA and some very mild/benign jaw clench. I was very surprised at this point.

There was no gushing of love or empathy but a decent contentment. I decided music is needed at this point. I started to notice everything had a sparklyness to it. Now keep in mind I have never actually done real mescaline. I tried to make san pedro tea once but ordered fresh cactus by accident and never felt anything and never bothered to try again. This sparklyness is something that I have noticed only mildly with the 2cXs(at any dose) but was very pronounced here.

The visuals quickly grew in intensity and became rather strong with tons of trails of moving/swirling. I turned the music on and ended up playing Pocket Universe by Yello which I had never heard before. It was like a 'weird' psy-trance album. I just lied there with eyes closed and had tons of CEVs. These were not like Fractals or patterns but like movies, not day dreams as they're visionary to the music and I had no control over them but they didn't seem as "real" as the ones I've heard described for MMDA. I would see weird creatures, they were really weird, not cool looking like i get with 5-meo-mipt,lsd or dmt, wchich always have fractal covering the whole scene more weird, probly due to my set/setting and the music i was listening to but still fun to watch.

I did puke twice during this whole experience, once around 1 hour into the actual trip and again an hour later. During each puke it seemed bad as I dont usually puke and haven't in a while. I would dry heave a few times but it was odd, all the sudden during the heave i would think to myself "there's no reason for me to be puking" and then I'd stop with no more nausea, but I still kept it lying down. I did taste some of the nasty oily freebase DMPEA in the puke which I thought would have been fully digested by then. In recent years I have developed a weird nausea to psychedelic phenethylamines, last couple times I took 2cp I was deathly ill and severely nauseous for 2 days, and when I took doc i was on the verge of puking through out almost the entire trip, but only puked once. This it was just the 2 times, although I can't say if i was upright if it might be a different story.

The whole trip lasted about 8 hours and when I came down a felt happy but no other side effects what so ever. This was definatley one of the best trips I've had. I've tried AMT,doc,2cp,2cd,2cb,2ce,2ct2,2ct7,dipt,dpt,4-ho-mipt,4-ho-met,4-ho-det,4-ho-dipt,5meodmt,lsa,lsd,dmt,ayahuasca,5-meo-mipt,shrooms,meph,mda,mdma,methylone

Of all those only DMT/ayahuasca, LSD, LSA(only once), 5-meo-mipt, mda, 2cp, mdma, and(sometimes) shrooms I would say are magical fully recreational trips and the best of the best being DMT/ayahuasca, 5-meo-mipt, lsd, mdma, well now I can add DMPEA+MAO-B inhibitor to the list. I'm very happy I tried this and I can't believe I waited this long to do so. I must have been the only person ever to have tripped off this which seems odd cause it seems so logical that this would be active giving it's structural simularities to MDA and mescaline. I would say(even though I've never tried mescaline)that this is just as visual and perhaps just as if not more magical as it has some euphoriant properties that seem more pronounced than the ones I've heard described with mescaline trips.

PS - Sorry for the long report

Things to come in my "Fun with MAOIs series";)
For Part 2 I will try PEA mixed with DMPEA to see if the euphoric effects are more pronounced.

For part 3 I will try N,4-Dimethylphenethylamine+Pargyline to see how it compares to Meph

For part 4 I will try Tryptamine+harmaline/or higher dose of pargyline to see if it has psychedelic effects of it's own.

For part 5 I will do the same as part 4 but mixed with L-Me and b6,b12,folate
 
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Thanks for the report but please start off with lower dosages if you don't know what's going to happen. Also, the nausea might be from the freebase, even when doing oral doses that kind of an amount (400 mg) just doesn't sound good for your stomach.

Get pH strips (perhaps at a pet store to check your aquarium, I have a liquid version of it with drops of indicator reagent). A little bit acidic shouldn't be too bad but don't get too far from pH neutral, I don't know how strong of a base DMPEA is but lemon juice just might be too weak to react properly with it.

Please be more careful than you are sounding to be? There's some uncharted territory here and messing with MAOIs should never be called "fun" :\
Sorry but considering you apparently tend to order the wrong things it makes me wonder what other mistakes you might make that could really mess you up.

On a positive note it's interesting that you got brain movies from this experience and apparently limited side-effects.
But remember MAOIs potentiate things and activate them (of course you know this) but it also means you should always start on the low side, you can always repeat the experiment a bit higher.
 
I have some PEA HCl now too, but wow does it stink like shit, is this normal? And I'm ordering the pH strips too.
 
^yeah that stuff stinks somethin fierce.

Cool report though, a novel experience, thanks for sharing. Well written too.:)

I must agree with solipsis though, please start in lower dosages and work your way up as no one knows how you will react as an individual and what safe dosages are.
 
you retitled it wrong, it's not N,4-DMPEA, it's 3,4-DMPEA(dimethoxy), and how would there b any confusion, everyone knows what dmpea is, that's a technical name(PIHKAL, NCBI...)
 
Sorry, I read too quickly and accidentally put your description of part 3.
I guess I'm not a member of "everyone" (I really did think, "Where are the methyls, exactly?"). :P

ebola
 
Sorry, I was being a bit presumptious I guess. I just figured if u googled it or read Pihkal u'd know it as DMPEA, could technically be construed as Meth but I don't think most people would and then i woulda just called it meth in the 1st place:)

dmpea: 3,4-dimethoxy-b-phenethylamine
 
Last night I tried Pargyline+PEA. I took a cap with 250mg PEA+pargyline. an hour laer i felt mild stim/moodlift. So I decided to take some more, another 300mg mixed n juice. Had horrible buttbreathe but it went away quickly. I started getting very strong nice rushes, i was floored. Then all of the sudden the headache/migraine to end all headaches manifested and lasted for hourstill i took some suboxone,klonopin. the pain was so bad i puked.

Has this happened to anyone else before? This was horribl and scary. What/how does this happen???
 
Heheh...I was probably just being pedantic, but there are indeed all kinds of places where 2 methyls could go. :P

That seems to me like a very high dose of PEA. As far as I can tell, dosing with it can be quite tricky, on account of its still short duration, so the window of safety is relatively narrow.

ebola
 
I will post another trip report for the PEA+Pargyline report. Ever since then I've been having headaches here and there. The other night I was trying to reach orgasm and the closer I got the stronger my headache would. I didn't have one before I started and it would get so bad I'd have to stop, then it would subside. I was getting pissed cause I hate stopping in the middle, I wanted to finish what I started so I tried to. Relieve myself as fast as possible. The headache quickly grew in intensity, I managed to finish but by the point of climax I had a full fledged intense migraine. I was grabbing my head in pain and it wouldn't subside at this point, took some Ibuprofen and eventually fell asleep. ....This SUX!
 
turns out my scale wasnt set right, i had taken 2g not 400mg. This stuff aint very potent for sure but it's still cheap and cool, smells/tastes awfull altho I was able to snort it no problem. I really like the fact that its another endogenous psychedelic like DMT, they'd probly go great together. I repeated this experiment by taking 2g w/25mg pargyline at once.
 
How could you not see that it was 2 grams instead of 400mgs? I would have noticed a difference if it had been more than 600mgs. You went 1600mgs over and didn't notice that you had a huge pile on the scales?
 
AHH! If it was a more potent chemical that could have been a fatal overdose! Did you determine the actual amount of DMPEA in the solution or where you just weighing the whole thing? Because 2 grams of solution must contain less than 2 grams of DMPEA. Correct me if I'm wrong
 
it was definatly around 2g. I think the cup it was in was touching the part of the scale with the display. I repeated the experiment with the HCl as upto 1g in .5g increments yielded no fx. So i weighed out 2g. It kicked in rather quickly but never quite reached the intensity of the 1st time.

The 2nd time I was in no mood to trip, I had come down with a cold, but I wanted to find out what the real dose was. I never puked but did experience some stomach discomfort which may have been psychological. I smoked some weed and laid down for the whole experience. I was gonna take some benzos and pass out but I just road it out. Wasn't a bad experience at all I just was in no condition to trip.
 
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